• Immigrant youths pretend smiling to shoot gun in background of crew reporting Paris terrorist attack
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[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icXJH6WYkOE[/media] Let it be very clear, that this is not a call to racism, or xenophobia. What it is however, is to show that there are either massive cultural differences, and problems where immigrants do not feel connected to the Western countries they live in. How can you stand there laughing, and depict a machinegun being shot around when you just heard that in your country of habitat 129 people were murdered by terrorists. This is incredibly disgusting, and important to see for everyone who calls immigration-critics racist or xenophobe. There are real problems that need adressing for the good of both immigrants and natives in the West. [b]Protip: Don't look at the comments section of the video. Lots of frustration being spilled there.[/b] [quote]IMPORTANT MESSAGE: After having translated the livefeed in the bottom of the screen, you can see that they are talking about a hostage-taking of the brothers in January 2015 of this year. The above footage is not from the Paris attacks. I can't edit the titel[/quote] [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Fake news, literal propaganda sources." - Big Dumb American))[/highlight]
Looks like just a chav being an idiot like they mostly are and reflects nothing on cultural differences.
Two questions: 1) are the actually immigrants, or is that an assumption? and 2) are they actually muslims, or is that an assumption?
So to be clear, those are not migrants, just your usual "ghetto" chavs. And this gesture is from a rap star.
[QUOTE=Lonestriper;49138634]Two questions: 1) are the actually immigrants, or is that an assumption? and 2) are they actually muslims, or is that an assumption?[/QUOTE] Who said they are muslims? They statistically probably are, but you can't tell just by looking at someone can you? And yes they are immigrants. Possibly 2nd or 3rd generation, still immigrants nonetheless. [editline]18th November 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Nanamil;49138641]So to be clear, those are not migrants, just your usual "ghetto" chavs. And this gesture is from a rap star.[/QUOTE] These are not migrants? Yes they are. They're probably not part of the latest wave of Syrians, no, but they're still immigrants. See this is what you get, the media use the word immigrants and refugees without distinction and people forget what words even mean.
By this logic everyone is an immigrant. This guy making the gesture is french, his skin color does not matter at all.
This isn't even news, it's just a youtube video of a kid being dumb on a news camera, this belongs on the video forum at most.
Why are you trying to make it a migrant problem ? This guy is just a dumb fuck making gestures on TV lol.
[QUOTE=Rumbler;49138647]Who said they are muslims? They statistically probably are, but you can't tell just by looking at someone can you? And yes they are immigrants. Possibly 2nd or 3rd generation, still immigrants nonetheless. [editline]18th November 2015[/editline] These are not migrants? Yes they are. They're probably not part of the latest wave of Syrians, no, but they're still immigrants. See this is what you get, the media use the word immigrants and refugees without distinction and people forget what words even mean.[/QUOTE] The title of the video alleges they are muslims. Further, they literally cannot be immigrants unless they specifically emigrated from a country. Being the son or daughter of an immigrant simply makes you a first generation national
[QUOTE=Rumbler;49138647] These are not migrants? Yes they are. They're probably not part of the latest wave of Syrians, no, but they're still immigrants. See this is what you get, the media use the word immigrants and refugees without distinction and people forget what words even mean.[/QUOTE] I would call the child of an immigrant a native if they've spent their whole life in X Country, but really, 2nd or 3rd generations are still immigrants? Are the descendants of Irish settlers in the East Coast U.S. immigrants??? What the fuck dude. I don't agree with letting swathes of refugees in, I don't agree with a lot of what Europe is doing, and I'm not one to call "das racis" but seriously this video is just anti-muslim bait.
look at this video, trying to stir up shit when there is none
I'm beginning to suspect that despite your assurances this is, in fact, a call to racism or xenophobia.
[QUOTE=JCDentonUNATCO;49138669]I would call the child of an immigrant a native if they've spent their whole life in X Country, but really, 2nd or 3rd generations are still immigrants? Are the descendants of Irish settlers in the East Coast U.S. immigrants??? What the fuck dude. I don't agree with letting swathes of refugees in, I don't agree with a lot of what Europe is doing, and I'm not one to call "das racis" but seriously this video is just anti-muslim bait.[/QUOTE] Not intended as such. I promise. We're in the same anti-racist camp. However, the point this video does illustrate well is that immigrant, or youths with immigrant-parents if you will, still do not feel attached to their new homes. This is just one of the symptoms. It's not ment to be basing conclusions off, but it is a very short insight for the people who claim there is nothing wrong. [editline]18th November 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Lonestriper;49138681]I'm beginning to suspect that despite your assurances this is, in fact, a call to racism or xenophobia.[/QUOTE] You're free to suspect so. I'll gladly invite you to go through my posthistory and see where I'm coming from.
[QUOTE=Rumbler;49138683]Not intended as such. I promise. We're in the same anti-racist camp. However, the point this video does illustrate well is that immigrant, or youths with immigrant-parents if you will, still do not feel attached to their new homes. This is just one of the symptoms. It's not ment to be basing conclusions off, but it is a very short insight for the people who claim there is nothing wrong.[/QUOTE] ahah, are you serious now ? So, by this logic, it would be the same with african americans or british chavs just because they can't adapt with their society ?
Furthermore I also suspect the video you have provided isn't what you'd typically think of as 'reliable' or 'actually a news source'
[QUOTE=Lonestriper;49138692]Furthermore I also suspect the video you have provided isn't what you'd typically think of as 'reliable' or 'actually a news source'[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.itele.fr/direct[/url] French television isn't a news source? The guy who uploaded it on youtube doesn't matter. Being critical on sources is healty but this is reaching.
French television would be a news source. A snippet of French television with unsubstantiated allegations in the title would not be.
[QUOTE=Lonestriper;49138720]French television would be a news source. A snippet of French television with unsubstantiated allegations in the title would not be.[/QUOTE] Jeez, honestly this is the denial I'm talking about. In what context would this be ok then? It shows two immigrants, or recent immigrant-decendants making obscene gestures and who are smiling in the background. If you think this needs to be substantiated further, just to be used as the 100th indication that something is going awfully wrong with the succesful integration and participation fo this group in society, then I don't know what will. This video isn't trying to prove anythingt, it's just to illustrate something that left-wing people say doesn't exist. It does exist and this video shows it. There's more of these incidents happening in Holland too... where a 23 out of a schoolclass of 30 yelled allahu ackbar during the 1 minute of silence and were therefor punished. I can get ou Dutch sources on it. It's not ment to say "Look at these scum assholes, lets get rid of all muzzies" It's to show, again, purely that something is going wrong during the process of integration. Your 'defense' that they are not real immigrants, but that they probably have been here since birth, only makes it worse. That means that even 2nd or 3rd generations are growing up so segregated that they do not have a real chance at integration!
An appropriate context I can think of is probably Stormfront.org, as it would fit nicely with your baseless accusations of them being immigrants presumably based on their skin colour.
Where in the video does it says they're immigrants or recent immigrant-descendants, because I'm not getting that from the video
[QUOTE=Lonestriper;49138750]An appropriate context I can think of is probably Stormfront.org, as it would fit nicely with your baseless accusations of them being immigrants presumably based on their skin colour.[/QUOTE] Ah you're one of those people. Good to know I can safely ignore your input from now on. Again baseless accusations of racism en xenophobia. Congratulations, you are also part of the problem that makes discussion about this impossible. I'll invite you to go through my post history. If you then still think I'm a racist instead you're just factually wrong.
I feel like people are forcing themselves so hard to look the other way, sure this is a tiny tiny microscopic example. But turning the other way pretending this kind of shit is normal is really worrisome
[QUOTE=Rumbler;49138735]It shows two immigrants, or recent immigrant-decendants [/QUOTE] You don't know that. Or do you , By the color of their skin ? This is racism by the way. [quote] just to be used as the 100th indication that something is going awfully wrong with the succesful integration and participation fo this group in society[/quote] Using the act of one to bash a whole group. racism anyone ? I wonder. [quote]then I don't know what will.[/quote] Nothing will because, just like facepunch, migrants are not a hivemind. You just smell racism, troll and agenda pusher to me pal.
[QUOTE=Strontboer;49138763]I feel like people are forcing themselves so hard to look the other way, sure this is a tiny tiny microscopic example. But turning the other way pretending this kind of shit is normal is really worrisome[/QUOTE] Exactly. This is not to show "Look they're laughing, fuck all muslims and immigrants, close the borders". How many times do I have to emphasize this is just a snippet of reality to show that integration isn't going all that well and that more has to be done to help this group integrate succesfully for the benefit of the immigrants AND the natives. We need to end the immigrant-ghetto's for the people that are already here, so they can actually start their proces of integration. Now they're only exposed to their own people, own culture, and own mini-society in another country. [editline]18th November 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Nanamil;49138769]You don't know that. Or do you , By the color of their skin ? This is racism by the way. Using the act of one to bash a whole group. racism anyone ? I wonder. Nothing will because, just like facepunch, migrants are not a hivemind. You just smell racism, troll and agenda pusher to me pal.[/QUOTE] [b]Last time. Read. my. post. history. [/b] I'm not going to retype everything that I brought up, including government statistics just to prove to you that your senseless accusation doesn't make any sense.
[QUOTE=Rumbler;49138761]Ah you're one of those people. Good to know I can safely ignore your input from now on. Again baseless accusations of racism en xenophobia. Congratulations, you are also part of the problem that makes discussion about this impossible. I'll invite you to go through my post history. If you then still think I'm a racist instead you're just factually wrong.[/QUOTE] I think we got off to the wrong foot Rumbler, so I'm willing to start again. Can you prove: 1)That they are recent immigrant descendants 2)That they're making gestures to specifically mock the people who died in Paris and 3) That they're doing it because they have not integrated into French society. [editline]18th November 2015[/editline] Because otherwise I just have to conclude you are profiling them
Apparently the video is from January 2015
Problem in integration? What the fuck, is it a sin if people laugh and smile and make gestures? Whats your problem if you say your not bashing every single dark skinned human being in France? You pretty much started posting last Friday when it happened in Paris. Go back to your cave and come back when you opened your mind abit.
[QUOTE=D4RkHaZz;49138810]Apparently the video is from January 2015[/QUOTE] so basically this whole thread is an irrelevant shit stir?
[QUOTE=D4RkHaZz;49138810]Apparently the video is from January 2015[/QUOTE] I've seen people claiming its from some cricket match the Pakistanis won
[QUOTE=SonicHitman;49138825]so basically this whole thread is an irrelevant shit stir?[/QUOTE] Yes, op is full of shit lol
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