• Zoltan Dani: I shot down US stealth fighter
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[quote]NATO’s military operation against Yugoslavia has already gone down in history. The 1999 Operation Merciful Angel specifically saw the shooting down by Serbia of an F-117 stealth fighter which was billed as an invulnerable aircraft by the United States. The F-117 was downed by Colonel Zoltan Dani, former commander of the 3rd battery of the 250th Missile Brigade in Belgrade, on March 27, 1999. In an interview with the Voice of Russia broadcast on Friday, Dani, who retired in 2004 and now owns a small bakery outside Belgrade, elaborated on the March 27 events: “At about 18:00 local time, we were ordered to turn on the system. We checked out the functionality of the missile defense system, reporting that the 3rd battery was on combat alert. After 20:00, a NATO airstrike began which prompted us to turn on the radar that tracked down an approaching target. We asked the mission control center to act against this aircraft, and at 20:41 we got the go-ahead. At 20:42, the target was destroyed. It took us 18 seconds to do so.” How did you manage to spot the stealth fighter? To that end, we used the Soviet-made P18 meter band radar which is capable of tracking any warplane irrespective of the configuration of its fuselage. The radar started to emit and we discovered a target at a distance of 15 kilometers – something that our operators were distinctly seeing on a display. I was quick to order the launch of a missile which destroyed the target. You mean that you managed to shoot down the sophisticated aircraft with the help of the vintage S-125Neva anti-aircraft system? I don’t quite agree with you. Of course, Russia has more advanced missile defense systems, but I proceed from the assumption that a cat’s color does not contribute to its ability to catch mice. At the time, the S-125Neva was believed to be a rather advanced system, and we had no other systems to tackle NATO airstrikes. Is it true that you subsequently got acquainted with a pilot of the downed F-117? I only want to say that a relevant documentary, the Second Meeting, is due to be released before the end of this year. It took us almost four years to meet – an occasion that was held in a positive atmosphere and that helped us to bolster our communication which is still under way. Our project aims to hammer home how important world peace and family values are…[/quote] [url]http://english.ruvr.ru/2012_03_24/69369732/[/url] Thought of this: [img]http://www.imfdb.org/w/images/0/04/Enemy4.jpg[/img]
It's hilarious when people think that all Soviet and generally eastern technology is useless due to the massive propaganda both from official sources and pop culture, but if the shit ever hit the fan big time, everything would be much different from what people would expect.
I think it's hilarious the pilot and the guy who shot him down met to talk
[QUOTE=Bound;35277279]I think it's hilarious the pilot and the guy who shot him down met to talk[/QUOTE] Pilot: Hey Shooter: Ahem... hey Pilot: So uh, how about them AAs? Shooter: hehehe Talk about awkward
...so the stealth fighter does nothing?
[QUOTE=MrBob1337;35277308]...so the stealth fighter does nothing?[/QUOTE]When it comes to metric VHF and various other radar configurations, yes. [editline]00[/editline] Can't forget about rain, that can render a stealth aircraft useless, also.
[QUOTE=Bound;35277279]I think it's hilarious the pilot and the guy who shot him down met to talk[/QUOTE] Not really. It happened a fuckload in WWI and WWII.
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;35277251]It's hilarious when people think that all Soviet and generally eastern technology is useless due to the massive propaganda both from official sources and pop culture, but if the shit ever hit the fan big time, everything would be much different from what people would expect.[/QUOTE] The F-117's were using the same flight patterns daily to launch strikes and even then they only actually managed to target the aircraft when it opened its doors to drop ordinance. They literally fired hundreds of missiles over the course of the campaign. Only one F-117 was downed. Note that it was the only F-117 in its over 20 years of service to have been shot down. To make matters worse, the only other manned aircraft they managed to shoot down was an F-16C. Hundreds of missiles, two aircraft downed. On top of that they managed to wing three more, but all successfully returned to base. More manned aircraft were lost to ACCIDENTS than were shot down during the conflict. [editline]24th March 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=ExplodingGuy;35277340]When it comes to metric VHF and various other radar configurations, yes. [editline]00[/editline] Can't forget about rain, that can render a stealth aircraft useless, also.[/QUOTE] Old tech. F-117 is significantly different than modern stealth aircraft. The F-22 has a radar cross section of a marble. In rain it is a tennis ball. The F-117 didn't have the massive benefit of powerful computer modeling to perfect the angles that are fundamental to stealth tech. Modern aircraft do.
Gunfox, do you always appear when people mention stuff like this?
The name is Zolt[b]á[/b]n Dani, not Zoltan Dani.
[QUOTE=RG4;35277646]Gunfox, do you always appear when people mention stuff like this?[/QUOTE] Only when I'm out of games to play and my DVR is empty. :v:
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Kl5RRW42Jg[/media]
[QUOTE=GunFox;35277670]Only when I'm out of games to play and my DVR is empty. :v:[/QUOTE] I swear, every thread like this you appear.
[QUOTE=ExplodingGuy;35277340]When it comes to metric VHF and various other radar configurations, yes. [editline]00[/editline] Can't forget about rain, that can render a stealth aircraft useless, also.[/QUOTE] I can't imagine what happens to the weather guy if he fucks up
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;35277251]It's hilarious when people think that all Soviet and generally eastern technology is useless due to the massive propaganda both from official sources and pop culture, but if the shit ever hit the fan big time, everything would be much different from what people would expect.[/QUOTE]Spetznas would go to your capitalist beach manision and shoot you from under the water with superior russian underwater AKs.
[QUOTE=RG4;35277732]I swear, every thread like this you appear.[/QUOTE] There's always one fanatic to defend his country to the bitter end for every country mentioned ever. Also Russian and American anti-air systems are pretty much on the same level with marginal differences, I don't think I've ever read/hear/seen about a top of the line AA-missile systems combined with equally modern radar equipment shooting down a NATO plane or vice ersa, so far its this or that, but never both, never newest model. Not that it matters anyway, proxy wars are where it's at.
[QUOTE=smeismastger;35279172]There's always one fanatic to defend his country to the bitter end for every country mentioned ever. Also Russian and American anti-air systems are pretty much on the same level with marginal differences, I don't think I've ever read/hear/seen about a top of the line AA-missile systems combined with equally modern radar equipment shooting down a NATO plane or vice ersa, so far its this or that, but never both, never newest model. Not that it matters anyway, proxy wars are where it's at.[/QUOTE] I like Russian hardware a lot. They are far, far, more cost efficient than the US. Their AA is undoubtedly just as advanced as US stuff. You can point the "fanatic" finger if you wish, but all I did was point out the reality of the situation and you went straight to personal attacks.
[QUOTE=Maximo13;35277363]Not really. It happened a fuckload in WWI and WWII.[/QUOTE] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Brown_and_Franz_Stigler_incident[/url]
[QUOTE=smeismastger;35279172]There's always one fanatic to defend his country to the bitter end for every country mentioned ever. Also Russian and American anti-air systems are pretty much on the same level with marginal differences, I don't think I've ever read/hear/seen about a top of the line AA-missile systems combined with equally modern radar equipment shooting down a NATO plane or vice ersa, so far its this or that, but never both, never newest model. Not that it matters anyway, proxy wars are where it's at.[/QUOTE] How exactly was he defending his country? He just stated the facts.
[QUOTE]Of course, Russia has more advanced missile defense systems, but I proceed from the assumption that a cat’s color does not contribute to its ability to catch mice.[/QUOTE] Favorite part.
[QUOTE=GunFox;35279316]I like Russian hardware a lot. They are far, far, more cost efficient than the US. Their AA is undoubtedly just as advanced as US stuff. You can point the "fanatic" finger if you wish, but all I did was point out the reality of the situation and you went straight to personal attacks.[/QUOTE]The Russians focus more on ground AA for their air defence needs than the US in general, i've noticed, who have generally preferred air superiority fighters. That being said, the Serbians hardly had Russia's finest toys to play with. Nobody but Russia ever does, much like how the US isn't going to be selling the F-22 around anytime soon.
Well this has been known for a while, still it's nice he gets wider attention. He (probably) also hit another F-117 which managed to land safely, and claims that he brought down a B2 (over Montenegro/Croatia so the wreckage got transported elsewhere) however I don't think that actually happened.
[quote]20:00, a NATO airstrike began which prompted us to turn on the radar that tracked down an approaching target. We asked the mission control center to act against this aircraft, and at 20:41 we got the go-ahead. At 20:42, the target was destroyed. It took us 18 seconds to do so.”[/quote] 42 minutes*
[QUOTE=TheTalon;35281001]42 minutes*[/QUOTE] 18 seconds after detection.
[QUOTE=TheTalon;35281001]42 minutes*[/QUOTE] They're probably talking about the time from launch to hitting the planet.
[QUOTE=Swebonny;35281442]They're probably talking about the time from launch to hitting the planet.[/QUOTE] That has to have been a fast rocket, then [editline]25th March 2012[/editline] Also, the radar and missile look like this: [img]http://www.ausairpower.net/P-18_1RL131_Slovakia_01_MiroslavGyurosi-1S.jpg[/img] [img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/58/SA-3_EP_2006.JPG/800px-SA-3_EP_2006.JPG[/img] [tab]These are not the actual things used to down the f-117[/tab]
when john mccain was talking about "dodging SAMS the size of telephone poles" he wasn't kidding.
[QUOTE=GunFox;35277413]The F-117's were using the same flight patterns daily to launch strikes and even then they only actually managed to target the aircraft when it opened its doors to drop ordinance. They literally fired hundreds of missiles over the course of the campaign. Only one F-117 was downed. Note that it was the only F-117 in its over 20 years of service to have been shot down. To make matters worse, the only other manned aircraft they managed to shoot down was an F-16C. Hundreds of missiles, two aircraft downed. On top of that they managed to wing three more, but all successfully returned to base. More manned aircraft were lost to ACCIDENTS than were shot down during the conflict. [editline]24th March 2012[/editline] Old tech. F-117 is significantly different than modern stealth aircraft. The F-22 has a radar cross section of a marble. In rain it is a tennis ball. The F-117 didn't have the massive benefit of powerful computer modeling to perfect the angles that are fundamental to stealth tech. Modern aircraft do.[/QUOTE] -snip- I lied. I often hear F-15E's have a cross section of a turkey vulture.
[QUOTE=Maximo13;35277363]Not really. It happened a fuckload in WWI and WWII.[/QUOTE] Especially in World War I, when the aeroplane was a new weapon. Georges Guynemer let Ernst Udet go after his guns jammed. He flew alongside Udet, saluted him, then veered away. Werner Voss used to shoot the engines of British and French observation planes instead of the crews or the fuel tanks because he'd served as a pilot of one himself in late 1915/early 1916. Chivalry had pretty much died by mid-1918 though. The near four years of relentless fighting and death had created lots of bitterness and resentment between both sides.
[QUOTE=JeffAndersen;35283459]-snip- I lied. I often hear F-15E's have a cross section of a turkey vulture.[/QUOTE] There is the F-15 Silent Eagle, which is a modified F-15 for stealth. It is really quite sexy and likely would have been a much better choice than the F-35A for the USAF.
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