I dont even live anywhere near the EU but this is pretty interesting. Really cant imagine the shit thats going to happen once December-February happens.
[video=youtube;44vzMNG2fZc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44vzMNG2fZc[/video]
Didn't watch it in entirety but it's a nice piece of anti-muslim propaganda. 20 minutes full of hate and racism without any real evidence but full of misinterpretation and manipulation. Even using Trump as a source.
If you replaced muslims with jews you have classic 1930s Nazi propaganda. Please report the video.
[QUOTE=OrYgin;49084178]Didn't watch it in entirety but it's a nice piece of anti-muslim propaganda. 20 minutes full of hate and racism without any real evidence but full of misinterpretation and manipulation. Even using Trump as a source.
If you replaced muslims with jews you have classic 1930s Nazi propaganda. Please report the video.[/QUOTE]
You say that but excluding the person who narrates this(who says very little), its quite literally clips of politicians, direct quotes, and footage of real life. Trumps little source wasnt even a negitive, he straight up just says what he thinks of Merkel. Even saying She was once a great leader but what shes doing right now is crazy.
Obviously if you think this is every Muslim, and every refugee you are an idiot, but thats not what this is about. Its about the problems that innately come with bringing in MASS amounts of people from entirely different countries.
You say no real evidence, but it shows nothing but clips of politicians talking, quotes, and real footage. Sure its focusing strictly on the bad but what were you thinking?
And last I checked, in 1930s, Jewish people in EU werent actually causing problems, raping, hurting, calling for death, etc...
[QUOTE=OrYgin;49084178]Didn't watch it in entirety but it's a nice piece of anti-muslim propaganda. 20 minutes full of hate and racism without any real evidence but full of misinterpretation and manipulation. Even using Trump as a source.
If you replaced muslims with jews you have classic 1930s Nazi propaganda. Please report the video.[/QUOTE]
Can't you at least understand why people might be afraid of Islam? Like the way they treat women and gays and how they were invading Europe for hundreds of years?
[QUOTE=OrYgin;49084178]Didn't watch it in entirety but it's a nice piece of anti-muslim propaganda.
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You are the problem.
gotta love all those anime avatars praising hitler in the comments
I'm really puzzled. What do European politicians stand to gain from opening up borders? Why are they doing this? It's insane.
Its a shame that criticizing the backwards beliefs of Islamic fundamentalists is seen as racist.
Dunno how people can defend that Luten thing.
[QUOTE=dragon1972;49084285]I'm really puzzled. What do European politicians stand to gain from opening up borders? Why are they doing this? It's insane.[/QUOTE]
Metric shit ton of white guilt and a western superiority complex (we have to help them, etc)
[QUOTE=dragon1972;49084285]What do European politicians stand to gain from opening up borders? Why are they doing this? It's insane.[/QUOTE]
people are fleeing for their lives to europe from a very brutal civil war and so we let them in in order to help them. very abstract concept, i know.
[QUOTE=dragon1972;49084285]I'm really puzzled. What do European politicians stand to gain from opening up borders? Why are they doing this? It's insane.[/QUOTE]
Votes from people who think "we have to help them".
Why are refugees such a sore spot with the normally comfortably left wing Facepunch? Half this thread sounds like racist Grandads.
Hey guess what, we do have to help them, it's a legal thing, UN human rights laws and that's before you talk about how morally fucked seeing someone running from a brutal civil war and going 'not my problem' is.
[QUOTE=Jack32;49084264]Can't you at least understand why people might be afraid of Islam? Like the way they treat women and gays[/QUOTE]
sexism, misogyny, homophobia, transphobia etc etc are all still very much a part of the western "developed" world. there's no reason to be more afraid of islamic fundamentalism than any other form of religious fundamentalism.
[QUOTE=Silly Sil;49084438]Votes from people who think "we have to help them".[/QUOTE]
And votes from the many children of those immigrants.
It's a win-win, really.
[QUOTE=Avvy;49084383]people are fleeing for their lives to europe from a very brutal civil war and so we let them in in order to help them. very abstract concept, i know.[/QUOTE]
What if i told you that only a fraction of the people invading europe are immigrants from the syrian civil war?
It's common knowledge that people from all surrounding countries are using this as an opportunity for a mass exodus.
This will destroy Europe unless the UN says enough is enough and send military to throw everyone back out.
[QUOTE=OrYgin;49084178]Didn't watch it in entirety but it's a nice piece of anti-muslim propaganda. 20 minutes full of hate and racism without any real evidence but full of misinterpretation and manipulation. Even using Trump as a source.
If you replaced muslims with jews you have classic 1930s Nazi propaganda. Please report the video.[/QUOTE]
Yes, it all unfounded ideas. Disregard the problems that are already out there because of it lol.
open your eyes
[QUOTE=Avvy;49084474]sexism, misogyny, homophobia, transphobia etc etc are all still very much a part of the western "developed" world. there's no reason to be more afraid of islamic fundamentalism than any other form of religious fundamentalism.[/QUOTE]
Yeah the wage gap is just as bad as stoning women for adultery and being told you shouldn't do this or that because of gender roles is as just as bad as the situation where the husband basically owns his wife.
Yeah getting called a faggot is just as bad as death penalty or getting your hands chopped off.
How fucking dishonest do you have to be to act like it's equally bad here and there...
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;49084307]Its a shame that criticizing the backwards beliefs of Islamic fundamentalists is seen as racist.
Dunno how people can defend that Luten thing.[/QUOTE]
so criticizing from your home in Canada is a-okay,
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;49084312]Metric shit ton of white guilt and a western superiority complex (we have to help them, etc)[/QUOTE]
but actually interacting with anything east of Istanbul can only be the result of a western superiority complex, a need to interfere and manipulate other cultures because of perceived failures to live up to standards that might not even exist.
[URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection"]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection[/URL]
being irrelevant to the situation is nothing to pride yourself on.
[QUOTE=Rossy167;49084471]Why are refugees such a sore spot with the normally comfortably left wing Facepunch? Half this thread sounds like racist Grandads.
Hey guess what, we do have to help them, it's a legal thing, UN human rights laws and that's before you talk about how morally fucked seeing someone running from a brutal civil war and going 'not my problem' is.[/QUOTE]But do we have to help them while sacrificing our own economies and livelihoods? Helping is noble and all, but if it comes at cost of your native citizens, it's going too far.
[QUOTE=Avvy;49084474]sexism, misogyny, homophobia, transphobia etc etc are all still very much a part of the western "developed" world. there's no reason to be more afraid of islamic fundamentalism than any other form of religious fundamentalism.[/QUOTE]
Hence why we stone the gay and the adulterous women who go out in the streets not wearing their assigned clothes!... Wait, nah that doesn't happens here.
[QUOTE=Rossy167;49084471]Why are refugees such a sore spot with the normally comfortably left wing Facepunch? Half this thread sounds like racist Grandads.
Hey guess what, we do have to help them, it's a legal thing, UN human rights laws and that's before you talk about how morally fucked seeing someone running from a brutal civil war and going 'not my problem' is.[/QUOTE]
I am going say something very unpopular and its anecdotal.
I lived in the Southwest of US for some time and I was working as a security guard.
My post was to guard a gate. You know, to determine who goes in and who goes out?
Well one time this guy who was a non English speaker came along in this very nice car (mine was a shitty rio)
and had his daughter and wife with him. His daughter did the translating. The Man and wife had this very dazed, lost confused look on their face.
Im usually a forgiving human being but that was the first time ever in my life I wanted to pull some one out of their vehicle, that I have never met and didn't know (I usually hate people who done me wrong and individuals) and go off on him. Wanna know why? Because he had a nicer car then me, but he was breaking all the rules just by being there while I have a shit car, a shit life and was obeying all the rules. I seen it as deeply unfair and it wasnt because of his skin color either.
Now to those who are unable to tell nuance, will call me racist. To those with a clue will realize that when unchecked immigration will lead to racism and intolerance. As long the left screams responsible immigration policy = racism will led to racism and the rise of fascist parties.
I don't want that but as long the left remains tone deaf to those who deal with stuff on the ground will end up creating racism and the end of their progressiveness polices. The right will have no problem taking advantage of this tone deafness.
Keep this social justice shaming up at the cost of your demise.
[QUOTE=Rossy167;49084471]Why are refugees such a sore spot with the normally comfortably left wing Facepunch? Half this thread sounds like racist Grandads.
Hey guess what, we do have to help them, it's a legal thing, UN human rights laws and that's before you talk about how morally fucked seeing someone running from a brutal civil war and going 'not my problem' is.[/QUOTE]
No, we don't.
Portugal, for example, doesn't has to help anyone. It can't even help its own citizens ffs, and now its giving refugees free college tuition worth like 5k in euros.
"Facepunch" finds this bullshit, because it is bullshit to accept a fuckton of people into countries, many of which aren't even actual refugees, which all ends up putting strain on countries that might not be that well off.
Heck, even Germany is having trouble ffs.
This isn't even about race, so reel in back the standard social justice shaming.
[QUOTE=dragon1972;49084285]I'm really puzzled. What do European politicians stand to gain from opening up borders? Why are they doing this? It's insane.[/QUOTE]
Well, have you noticed that most of those politicians don't have any kids themselves?
They are practically creating this massive problem for short-term praise and most likely completely exaggerated economical growth, and hope that when it erupts into violence, that they are already six foot under by then.
Or that it is the opposition leading by then so that they can blame them for it. The current generation and the kids of this time can get screwed for all they care. Or hell, everyone can get screwed for all they care, since the chance that it will be them who will be targeted in terrorist attacks is almost zero. The normal population will most likely be the target of it. All the while, they downplay the intolerance of the immigrants/refugees towards our countries, our cultures, and our values. And from family experience, They won't be so nice with us the moment they get in power.
Of course, when I talk about short-term praise, lemme tell you that those politicians have absolutely zero plans for even the next two year about this immigration crisis. Germany just found out that they only have place for 500.000 refugees/immigrants while they have already taken 870.000 in this year alone. Now, the question is, where the hell are those remaining 370.000 going to be staying at while it is almost Winter? Or what about that Sweden is running out of bedding to take any more immigrants/refugees in and their only solution is to send them back to Germany? Or that the Netherlands' is fully hitting its limit already while the current government wishes to almost double it? While we don't have any space left so that they will all be put in tent camps in Dutch forests while it is almost winter? They don't have any actual plans. They are just doubling down on all this since they pretty much know already that they are going to lose a lot of support over this. And trying to shame everyone who isn't agreeing with them doesn't help anymore, and they've noticed. People are fed up with the government's constant jobbering and promising more for the immigrants/refugees than actual Europeans. Fuckssake. Spain and Greece have massive unemployment issues, yet the EU claims that they can magically whip up tens of thousands of jobs for those immigrants/refugees? This doesn't add up at all.
[QUOTE=dragon1972;49084285]I'm really puzzled. What do European politicians stand to gain from opening up borders? Why are they doing this? It's insane.[/QUOTE]
They want to be seen as good samaritans, and avoid people calling them bad names for not accepting war refugees in, thinking its going to be simple and it will help the country.
Probably because they don't have to deal with the problems first hand. That's the citizen's job!
Seriously when are people going to wake the fuck up and realize that most of them AREN'T refugees.
I don't see refugees immigrating into Europe. I see crime statistics getting ready to sky rocket. And then those countries are going to feel the hurt of accepting too many immigrants from 3rd world countries.
I also agree with Kweh. This sense of social justice to hep people more unfortunate than we are is backfiring at alarming rates because said people who 'need' our help are simply taking advantage of us by playing the victim. Even if they aren't victims.
[QUOTE=Avvy;49084383]people are fleeing for their lives to europe from a very brutal civil war and so we let them in in order to help them. very abstract concept, i know.[/QUOTE]
Except that isn't what they're doing, if it was they wouldn't be traveling across Europe looking for countries with the most handouts.
[QUOTE=kweh;49084693]They want to be seen as good samaritans, and avoid people calling them bad names for not accepting war refugees in, thinking its going to be simple and it will help the country.
Probably because they don't have to deal with the problems first hand. That's the citizen's job![/QUOTE]
People who were refugees themselves hate this so much. These people are so picky and demanding.
Refugees in Slovenia even went as far as burning supplies and housing given to them just so that they would be sent to Germany.
[video=youtube;CnvuKKWOEo4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnvuKKWOEo4[/video]
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;49084727]People who were refugees themselves hate this so much. These people are so picky and demanding.
Refugees in Slovenia even went as far as burning supplies and housing given to them just so that they would be sent to Germany.
[video=youtube;CnvuKKWOEo4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnvuKKWOEo4[/video][/QUOTE]
So they actually published that the refugees did that? Interesting. There has been a few camps burning in Sweden aswell but nobody knows if it was ther refugees or if it was right wing extremists.
[QUOTE=DiBBs27;49084712]Seriously when are people going to wake the fuck up and realize that most of them AREN'T refugees.
I don't see refugees immigrating into Europe. I see crime statistics getting ready to sky rocket. And then those countries are going to feel the hurt of accepting too many immigrants from 3rd world countries.
I also agree with Kweh. This sense of social justice to hep people more unfortunate than we are is backfiring at alarming rates because said people who 'need' our help are simply taking advantage of us by playing the victim. Even if they aren't victims.[/QUOTE]
Both my grandparents were war refugees, who came to the Netherlands in the 50s.
They are both angry and worried about this since those 'refugees' don't act like people fleeing from a war at all. Those new ''refugees'' rather complain about the Dutch food not being their taste, that the country is too cold, that the nearby forest smells of wood, that they don't get as much money as was told, and that they are bored, instead of, you know, [B]being happy that they are in a safe country instead of having a major chance to get killed.[/B] Especially my grandfather can get seriously mad over this considering that he was interred in a Jappenkamp during the Second World War, almost died of famine during that, and then got shot at as a kid during the National Revolution that took place not long after the Japanese surrender. This stuff scars you for life, and as he argued, if you went through all that, and finally get to a safe, peaceful country, you are not going to complain about getting served perfectly fine bread with peanut butter for breakfast instead of your local speciality dish. Or going to complain about the country taking you in without even showing even the tiniest bit of gratitude. That isn't how actual war refugees act at all.
"Forced collective suicide" is way too extreme of a title, it reeks of /pol/-tier bullshit. Edit: Oh wait it IS a pol video! Didn't see the text on that logo. Yeah, safe to ignore it then.
However, due to the conflict the situation is causing, I can very well see it leading to a collapse, simply because of how the leaders of the European nations are failing to cooperate.
I'd rather have one side take over, be it the side that wants to keep the borders open but regulated, or the side that wants to close them off, either way it can't be worse than never making a decision and just letting things go out of control around you.
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