• Groping women force barmen to give up kilts
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[QUOTE]Bar staff at a popular Inverness pub and music venue have stopped wearing their kilts after complaining of constant harassment by women attempting to check whether they are "true Scotsmen". Until now, the men at Hootananny in Church Street have donned their tartan in keeping with the pub’s traditional atmosphere. But they are swapping to trousers, claiming sexual harassment mainly from groups of women revellers who lift up their kilts to check if they are wearing anything underneath. Iain Howie, the pub’s assistant manager, said the incidents mostly happened at a weekends when the bar was particularly busy. "You get large groups of drinking women circling around when you are collecting glasses and asking whether you are true Scotsman – and they find out for themselves," he said. He said: "It may seem funny but it is serious, too – the women are sticking their hands up their kilts. "Can you imagine if I went into a restaurant and stuck my hand up a girl’s skirt? I would be taken to the police station and rightly so." He added: "I look after my customers but equally important are my staff. I am not forcing them to do something they don’t want to do. "We fellows are very, very aware of sexism. I think the women need to catch up."[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.inverness-courier.co.uk/News/Groping-women-force-barmen-to-give-up-kilts-10072015.htm[/url]
B-b-b-b-but that's impossible, only males do that!!!
But, I thought sexual harassment against men didn't exist. The Internet told me so! :v:
It's a pity it had to come to this, but I guess something had to be done since it was becoming that big a problem - odds on this isn't the only place something like this would be happening as well
I'm not too familiar with the traditions of kilts other than typically nothing is worn underneath, but couldn't they just wear something underneath and show their pride or would that ruin it?
[QUOTE=PN_Redux;48194650]I'm not too familiar with the traditions of kilts other than typically nothing is worn underneath, but couldn't they just wear something underneath and show their pride or would that ruin it?[/QUOTE] I imagine that would ruin it. If not they'd still draw ridicule from the people messing with their [b]kilts[/b]. Good that they changed the policy.
[QUOTE=Solo Wing;48194671]I imagine that would ruin it. If not they'd still draw ridicule from the people messing with their skirts. Good that they changed the policy.[/QUOTE] It's a kilt not a skirt. :suicide:
[QUOTE=PN_Redux;48194650]I'm not too familiar with the traditions of kilts other than typically nothing is worn underneath, but couldn't they just wear something underneath and show their pride or would that ruin it?[/QUOTE] Uh, the issue is they're getting molested, underwear doesn't really matter.
[QUOTE=PN_Redux;48194650]I'm not too familiar with the traditions of kilts other than typically nothing is worn underneath, but couldn't they just wear something underneath and show their pride or would that ruin it?[/QUOTE] Well then they're not a true Scotsman
[QUOTE=PN_Redux;48194650]I'm not too familiar with the traditions of kilts other than typically nothing is worn underneath, but couldn't they just wear something underneath and show their pride or would that ruin it?[/QUOTE] Even if they wore pants underneath their kilts, messing with staff that way is inappropriate.
I wonder if this kind of stuff can be countered with the "men are in a position of power" argument. I mean, sexual harassment is sexual harassment regardless of gender for me.
This shit is way overlooked. I was in hot water this weekend when this girl I know asked me to buy her a drink. While I was waiting at the bar, she started rubbing my arms and back and whatnot (she was very drunk). My girlfriend was nearby and she saw this happening. I didn't want to tell the girl to fuck off because that would be seen as "rude", but I obviously wanted her to stop. My story is tame compared to this. And given that the men were bar staff, this makes for a hostile work environment which makes it even worse.
[QUOTE=Glitchman;48194733]I wonder if this kind of stuff can be countered with the "men are in a position of power" argument. I mean, sexual harassment is sexual harassment regardless of gender for me.[/QUOTE] Nah I think the most likely response to this would be "Kilts are clothes made to ridicule women's skirts and are therefore sexist."
I love how the response is to blame the outfit the men were wearing. As opposed to trying to charge the perpetrators with sexual assault, the men are just told to stop wearing kilts because apparently the women just can't help themselves. Classic victim blaming.
[QUOTE=elfbarf;48194911]I love how the response is to blame the outfit the men were wearing. As opposed to trying to charge the perpetrators with sexual assault, the men are just told to stop wearing kilts because apparently the women just can't help themselves. Classic victim blaming.[/QUOTE] Sounds familiar doesn't it?
[QUOTE=Glitchman;48194733]I wonder if this kind of stuff can be countered with the "men are in a position of power" argument. I mean, sexual harassment is sexual harassment regardless of gender for me.[/QUOTE] why not? traditional notions of sex make a man getting harassed seem absurd or unnatural. misogyny ironically makes things worse for male victims
[QUOTE=asteroidrules;48194929]Sounds familiar doesn't it?[/QUOTE]I know, its almost like people here have a problem with it when it happens under any circumstances, and not just with clothes but a lot of other issues, and by and large don't hold stupid double standards about the topic.
[QUOTE=masterbateman;48194938]why not? traditional notions of sex make a man getting harassed seem absurd or unnatural. misogyny ironically makes things worse for male victims[/QUOTE] This is absurd, there's no situation where men or women touch each other private parts in public without consent that is considered to be okay.
[QUOTE=asteroidrules;48194929]Sounds familiar doesn't it?[/QUOTE] Yes, it sounds like typical victim blaming... and?
"but they're wearing kilts, so they're asking for it"
[QUOTE=Solo Wing;48194608]But, I thought sexual harassment against men didn't exist. The Internet told me so! :v:[/QUOTE] It's not sexual harassment. It's harassment based on the person's sex/sexuality. Come on, get with the program.
[QUOTE=Pantz Master;48194850]This shit is way overlooked. I was in hot water this weekend when this girl I know asked me to buy her a drink. While I was waiting at the bar, she started rubbing my arms and back and whatnot (she was very drunk). My girlfriend was nearby and she saw this happening. I didn't want to tell the girl to fuck off because that would be seen as "rude", but I obviously wanted her to stop. My story is tame compared to this. And given that the men were bar staff, this makes for a hostile work environment which makes it even worse.[/QUOTE] To be fair you saying nothing was rude to your gf.
[QUOTE=Explosions;48195742]It's not sexual harassment. It's harassment based on the person's sex/sexuality. Come on, get with the program.[/QUOTE] So groping their body/lifting up someones skirt/kilt is not sexual harrassment, ok.
[QUOTE=elfbarf;48194911]I love how the response is to blame the outfit the men were wearing. As opposed to trying to charge the perpetrators with sexual assault, the men are just told to stop wearing kilts because apparently the women just can't help themselves. Classic victim blaming.[/QUOTE] Teaching women not to sexually assault? Next you're gonna tell me we should teach them not to steal.
[QUOTE=Crimor;48195754]So groping their body/lifting up someones skirt/kilt is not sexual harrassment, ok.[/QUOTE] Yes, because men are in a position of power, ergo you can't be sexist or discriminate against them! Jeesh, get with the times!
[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;48195772]Teaching women not to sexually assault? Next you're gonna tell me we should teach them not to steal.[/QUOTE] We should obviously have women-only classes on this subject.~ [QUOTE=Solo Wing;48194671]I imagine that would ruin it. If not they'd still draw ridicule from the people messing with their kilts. [B]Good that they changed the policy.[/B][/QUOTE] Is this victim blaming? Honestly though, probably a good idea. The fact that the bar has to do this instead of just punishing individual patrons obviously means its a pretty regular thing.
[QUOTE=itisjuly;48195749]To be fair you saying nothing was rude to your gf.[/QUOTE] Yeah. I eventually walked away. But the fact that she thought it was ok to do that is a problem.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;48195819]We should obviously have women-only classes on this subject.~[/QUOTE] There has literally been people trying to have men do mandatory classes in how not to sexually assault/rape.
[QUOTE=Pantz Master;48194850]This shit is way overlooked. I was in hot water this weekend when this girl I know asked me to buy her a drink. While I was waiting at the bar, she started rubbing my arms and back and whatnot (she was very drunk). My girlfriend was nearby and she saw this happening. I didn't want to tell the girl to fuck off because that would be seen as "rude", but I obviously wanted her to stop. My story is tame compared to this. And given that the men were bar staff, this makes for a hostile work environment which makes it even worse.[/QUOTE] the problem is you actually agreed to buy her a drink
[QUOTE=Pantz Master;48195823]Yeah. I eventually walked away. But the fact that she thought it was ok to do that is a problem.[/QUOTE]Maybe she was horny and didn't give a shit. Most single guys at a bar wouldn't exactly mind that sort of attention from a decent looking woman.
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