Doctors won't see patients with anti-vaccine views
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[quote][B]With California gripped by a measles outbreak, Dr. Charles Goodman posted a clear notice in his waiting room and on Facebook: His practice will no longer see children whose parents won't get them vaccinated.[/B]
"Parents who choose not to give measles shots, they're not just putting their kids at risk, but they're also putting other kids at risk—especially kids in my waiting room," the Los Angeles pediatrician said.
It's a sentiment echoed by a small number of doctors who in recent years have "fired" patients who continue to believe debunked research linking vaccines to autism. They hope the strategy will lead parents to change their minds; if that fails, they hope it will at least reduce the risk to other children in the office.
The tough-love approach—which comes amid the nation's second-biggest measles outbreak in at least 15 years, with at least 98 cases reported since last month— raises questions about doctors' ethical responsibilities. Most of the measles cases have been traced directly or indirectly to Disneyland in Southern California.
The American Academy of Pediatrics says doctors should bring up the importance of vaccinations during visits but should respect a parent's wishes unless there's a significant risk to the child.
"In general, pediatricians should avoid discharging patients from their practices solely because a parent refuses to immunize his or her child," according to guidelines issued by the group.[/quote]
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Poor children :c
It makes me feel bad that there are parents like that
GOOD. Finally. Now maybe this will catch-on and all the idiot anti-vaccers will learn. It's NOT SAFE. NOT SAFE FOR YOU. NOT SAFE FOR YOUR CHILDREN. NOT SAFE FOR ANYONE ELSE'S WELL-BEING. Get fucking vaccinated, god damn. It won't kill you.
[QUOTE=NoobieWafer223;47042801]GOOD. Finally. Now maybe this will catch-on and all the idiot anti-vaccers will learn. It's NOT SAFE. NOT SAFE FOR YOU. NOT SAFE FOR YOUR CHILDREN. NOT SAFE FOR ANYONE ELSE'S WELL-BEING. Get fucking vaccinated, god damn. It won't kill you.[/QUOTE]
Do you really think this will change their minds? Many of the anti-vaxxers already think that vaccines are a conspiracy among doctors/drug manufacturers/the gub'ment to give their kids autism or inject them with tracking devices or wipe out whites/the poor/minorities. For them, the doctor refusing treatment will probably just reinforce that paranoia.
There's a point where unvaccinated patients are merely posing a danger to the others. If parents lack the common sense to listen to doctors and get their kids vaccines, they're a liability and the consequences are on them.
Good. Doctors are exposed to illness every single day. They should definitely be doing this to protect themselves
[editline]30th January 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=Omali;47042852]Do you really think this will change their minds? Many of the anti-vaxxers already think that vaccines are a conspiracy among doctors/drug manufacturers/the gub'ment to give their kids autism or inject them with tracking devices or wipe out whites/the poor/minorities. For them, the doctor refusing treatment will probably just reinforce that paranoia.[/QUOTE]
So let a bunch of idiotic parents let their children die from extinct diseases, then maybe (hopefully) we'll be seeing a bunch of potential neglect cases in the future
As a liberal (using the classical context here) the issue of vaccinations is a dilemma. On one hand, people should be able to make stupid choices; but on the other hand, parents who don't vaccinate their kids are potentially risking the lives of others thus affecting the liberties of those people. I think that this approach is one of the best ways to go about it, having doctors being able to make the choice to deny service to anti-vaxxers as long as the circumstances aren't life threatening. Possibly the only other way I think this problem can be approached is to give 'tax credit coupons' to parents who choose to have their kids vaccinated. Eg get your daughter vaccinated and you receive a $1,000 income tax deduction which you redeem on your tax return and reduce your tax liability by a few hundred dollars. Or receive a flat payment if you do not earn enough to pay tax.
Fantastic. Now we'll have even more people dying, regardless if they're fucking stupid, because doctors wont see them.
Most people in SH are vaccinated so I can't blame them for thinking it causes autism
[QUOTE=Tmaxx;47042983]Fantastic. Now we'll have even more people dying, regardless if they're fucking stupid, because doctors wont see them.[/QUOTE]
not sure how you came to that conclusion. care to explain?
I'm all for the freedom to make choices, but if your free choice threatens the greater good of the community, specifically the immunocompromised, the already-sick, those who cannot be vaccinated because of allergic/other reactions, and the youngest, that freedom can be reasonably curtailed for the sake of public health.
We've understood this shit for the better part of a century. We've had [B]cures[/B] for the better part of a century. These fuckholes are living in ignorance and have never had to suffer what our grandparents and their parents and grandparents lived in fear of. They've never had to watch family members die of incurable diseases that we have now found cures for, discoveries and medical advancements that were hailed as some of the most significant accomplishments of medical science in the 20th century prior to the development of DNA sequencing. They've never had to care for a family member crippled with polio, and had to watch a vibrant, healthy person become weak and unable to walk unassisted. They've never had to hold their child's hand and listen to their horrible coughing as pertussis slowly kills them.
I'm a bleeding heart liberal, but, no, you should not just get to refuse immunizations because you don't want them or you listened to a fraudulent doctor and an airheaded bimbo and think autism is a fate worse than death. I don't think vaccine refusers should be jailed, but they sure as fuck don't need to be accomodated whatsoever by society. Homeschool your kids and live in quarantine if you want to voluntarily choose to be a threat to your community.
the sad thing is that a very minor few of the idiot's will turn to alternative medicines (Homeopathy, etc) rather than doctors now instead of caving in
Honestly too, if you absolutely outright refuse to get your kid vaccinated then I have news for you. You're a [u]TERRIBLE PARENT[/u], you're decision could lead to your child DYING. You are an ignorant, shallow minded fool and aren't fit to be a parent. You're old enough to make a smarter decision but your decision could potentially cost your child his life, sterility, or well being. You, as an adult, should know better than to make such boldly awful choices.
This isn't a matter of me going "Your opinion is wrong", it's a matter of you being objectively wrong. Vaccinations aren't bad, they're a necessary thing in modern medicine.. They are the exact reason Measles/small pox/polio/sars/etc has died out so well
[QUOTE=Tmaxx;47042983]Fantastic. Now we'll have even more people dying, regardless if they're fucking stupid, because doctors wont see them.[/QUOTE]
If they aren't going to listen to their doctors I don't think their doctors are going to be able to help them anyways
you can't cure stupid.
[QUOTE=Omali;47042852]Do you really think this will change their minds? Many of the anti-vaxxers already think that vaccines are a conspiracy among doctors/drug manufacturers/the gub'ment to give their kids autism or inject them with tracking devices or wipe out whites/the poor/minorities. For them, the doctor refusing treatment will probably just reinforce that paranoia.[/QUOTE]
At least it makes safe the waiting room, one of the few places where people with impaired immune systems regularly hang out
If they won't go to a real doctor they'll go to their favorite alternative instead.
[QUOTE=Tmaxx;47042983]Fantastic. Now we'll have even more people dying, regardless if they're fucking stupid, because doctors wont see them.[/QUOTE]
this is pediatricians
not ER staff
Pisses me off how most of these anti-vax parents are vaccinated themselves but refuse it for their children.
[QUOTE=Muthenfrucheir;47043134]Pisses me off how most of these anti-vax parents are vaccinated themselves but refuse it for their children.[/QUOTE]
Fun Fact: There are diabetics who are still alive because of animal tested insulin, and are outright against animal tested drugs regardless of how stupid that is.
People can be endlessly ignorant.
Half the kids in my class aren't vaccinated and we had a huge debate over whether or not the government should be able to force people to be vaccinated. The worst part is that they aren't bad people, they're just trusting their idiot parents.
[QUOTE=Antdawg;47042962]As a liberal (using the classical context here) the issue of vaccinations is a dilemma. On one hand, people should be able to make stupid choices; but on the other hand, parents who don't vaccinate their kids are potentially risking the lives of others thus affecting the liberties of those people.[/QUOTE]
You just answered your own dilemma. That's precisely how simple it is, and not just with these antivaxxers, but pretty much anything anyone decides to indulge in. People are free to make their own decisions, because hey, it's their life and so are the consequences. As soon as the aftermath of their choices starts affecting other people, however, the bullshit stops.
The amount of anti-vaxxer related threads recently is very, very disturbing.
To think of how much time and effort, how many people have died, and these people are willing to throw it down the drain because of some very publicly debunked doctor and dumb facebook posts about the evil Big Pharma and the government's mind control drugs.
I don't like that OP picture. Gore, yeah whatever, weirdest kinds of fucked up porn, sure why not. but oh god the needles.
[QUOTE=just-a-boy;47043656]You just answered your own dilemma. That's precisely how simple it is, and not just with these antivaxxers, but pretty much anything anyone decides to indulge in. People are free to make their own decisions, because hey, it's their life and so are the consequences. As soon as the aftermath of their choices starts affecting other people, however, the bullshit stops.[/QUOTE]
No I didn't really, I only proposed incentives to have people accept vaccinations instead of requiring people to have them, which would be best for the public wellbeing but contrary to liberalism. You can incentivise people to accept them but it doesn't mean they absolutely will.
[QUOTE=Omali;47042852]Do you really think this will change their minds? Many of the anti-vaxxers already think that vaccines are a conspiracy among doctors/drug manufacturers/the gub'ment to give their kids autism or inject them with tracking devices or wipe out whites/the poor/minorities. For them, the doctor refusing treatment will probably just reinforce that paranoia.[/QUOTE]
To be frank, with people like these, whatever you do would be a conspiracy. So since you can't win with them, might as well protect everyone else.
I think that the antivax movement will continue to grow until we hit a mass epidemic, then after that and a ton of unneeded deaths, most people will learn their lesson and the whole thing will die down...
Hopefully...
so uh?
Hippocratic oath?
[QUOTE=Omali;47042852]Do you really think this will change their minds? Many of the anti-vaxxers already think that vaccines are a conspiracy among doctors/drug manufacturers/the gub'ment to give their kids autism or inject them with tracking devices or wipe out whites/the poor/minorities. For them, the doctor refusing treatment will probably just reinforce that paranoia.[/QUOTE]
Fine, maybe they'll finally die and we won't have to worry about the stupid worthless fucks being responsible for compromising vaccine integrity by giving a potential outbreak more chances to mutation.
[editline]30th January 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=Judas;47044567]so uh?
Hippocratic oath?[/QUOTE]
With your incorrect interpretation of Hippocratic oath, we may as well say that it is also inversely, the doctor's duty to force vaccines on people. So, go ahead and press that claim there, I'll be waiting to tell you that it's their duty to vaccinate people as well then.
"Go be stupid somewhere else."
[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;47044728]You can use insulin and still be against animal testing.
I eat fast food chicken and am against "factory farms"[/QUOTE]
when Animal drug testing is literally the only reason you're alive then you're kind of an idiot for being against it. Isn't it like, 80 to 90 % of all drugs that are animal tested?
and eating fast food isn't the same as being diabetic and alive because of a thing that you are against. That doesn't even make any sense, like, at all, actually.
[QUOTE=Judas;47044567]so uh?
Hippocratic oath?[/QUOTE]
Hippocratic oath also states that doctors aren't allowed to perform abortions
RIPpocratic oath
[QUOTE=EXPLOOOSIONS!;47043760]The amount of anti-vaxxer related threads recently is very, very disturbing.
To think of how much time and effort, how many people have died, and these people are willing to throw it down the drain because of some very publicly debunked doctor and dumb facebook posts about the evil Big Pharma and the government's mind control drugs.[/QUOTE]
i've been seeing anti-antivaxxer sentiment growing in the populace as more and more measles cases are reported
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