Diet soda consumption associated to heart disease - study - Polidicks

[QUOTE]Americans have developed a taste for diet soda, which can provide them with an extra kick without the extra calories but, according to new research, if they consume more than two drinks a day it could put them at higher risk of heart disease. The American College of Cardiology announced in a new study that, while drinking diet soda alone may not necessarily hurt an individual’s health, someone who shops for Diet Pepsi instead of the original may be doing so to make up for other unhealthy habits. Scientists found that women who drank two or more diet beverages each day were 30 percent more likely to experience a heart attack or similarly dangerous cardiovascular “event,” and 50 percent more likely to die. Dr. Ankur Vyas, a cardiovascular disease specialist at the University of Iowa Hospitals and Clinic, told [URL="http://www.cnbc.com/id/101536768"]CNBC[/URL] the team examined 60,000 middle-aged women over 10 years. “[I]Our study suggests an association between higher diet drink consumption and mortality[/I],” Vyas said Saturday when the results were unveiled. “[I]It’s not an extreme risk[/I].” To begin the study, the subjects answered a questionnaire regarding which foods and drinks they consumed, with a special emphasis on diet soda and diet fruit flavored drinks. Nine years later, 8.5 percent of the respondents who drank at least two diet drinks each day had some sort of heart disease, just more than the 6.8 percent who drank less than four drinks per week. Of the women who drank two or less diet drinks a month, 7.2 percent had some kind of heart disease. Vyas, who has made headlines for the latest in a line of studies purportedly exposing the risk of diet drinks, admitted the results are not as clear as one may expect. “[I]We found an association, so we can’t say that diet drinks cause these problems[/I],” he told CNBC. Those who drank the most diet drinks, though, were determined to be more likely to have high blood pressure, to be overweight, to smoke, and be at risk of a number of potentially fatal maladies. Dr. Vyas’ study comes two months after soda drinkers were shaken by a much more serious finding: the chemical used to give a number of popular soft drinks their brownish color may contain an additive that causes cancer. Dr. Urvashi Rangan, executive director of Consumer Reports’ Food Safety & Sustainability Center, issued a statement in January asserting that the magazine tested dozens of cans and bottles of 4-methylimidazole (4-MeI). California had previously added 4-MeI to the state list of potentially toxic chemicals under Proposition 65 after previous studies found that long-term exposure to the chemical contributed to lung cancer in mice. Proposition 65 requires products containing potentially harmful chemicals to place warning labels on the container. Of the 81 cans and bottles of soda tested, 29 samples exceeded the 29-microgram amount of 4-MeI allowed under the law. Pepsi One, for example, turned out to contain between 39.5 and 195.3 micrograms, while Malta Goya exceeded even that with 307.5 to 352.5 micrograms in each container. None of the containers were labeled, according to [URL="http://www.cbsnews.com/news/caramel-coloring-chemical-linked-to-cancer-found-in-too-high-levels-in-some-colas/"]Consumer Reports[/URL]. “[I]There’s no reason why consumers should be exposed to an avoidable and unnecessary risk that can stem from coloring food brown[/I],” Rangan said. Consumer Reports had encouraged the US Food and Drug Administration to examine whether the soda companies were adhering to both California and federal regulations, although observers cautioned customers to use common sense. “[I]It’s possible to get more than 29 micrograms of 4-MeI in one can of some of the drinks we tested[/I],” Dr. Rangan went on. “And even if your choice of soft drink contains half that amount, many people have more than one can per day.” Other recent reports have suggested that, among other things, diet soda can lead to weight gain, strokes, and kidney failure, among other issues. Dr. Rasa at Rush University Medical Center in Chicago, Illinois told [URL="http://www.myfoxchicago.com/story/20939173/diet-soda-dangers-new-study-may-link-aspartame-to-cancer"]Fox 32 News[/URL] that “there is nothing good for the body.” One patient told reporters Rasa has said more than once that drinking two or more bottles of diet soda can do serious harm to vital organs. “[I]I had drunk a lot of soda, at least 64 ounces a day and thinking I was losing weight, etcetera by doing it[/I],” the patient said. “[I]And my doctor advised me that the chemicals were really bad[/I].”[/QUOTE] [URL]http://rt.com/usa/diet-soda-consumption-heart-disease-497/[/URL]

No shit. Diet Soda is fucking disgusting.

Isn't 4-MeI in the caramel food coloring of soda? Wouldn't that apply to normal soda as well?

I stopped drinking soda 10 years ago.

Drinking unhealthy things is unhealthy? Well I never.

[quote]The American College of Cardiology announced in a new study that, while drinking diet soda alone may not necessarily hurt an individual’s health, someone who shops for Diet Pepsi instead of the original may be doing so to make up for other unhealthy habits.[/quote] So same shit we've always known, ordering a double-quarter pounder with a diet coke won't make you skinny. There's all kinds of shit like this, [i]"benign habits that fat people generally have linked to heart disease, but we're not conclusive on if it's the habit or just being fat"[/i]. Are these just reported for the sensationalism?

Let me point out " “We found an association, so we can’t say that diet drinks cause these problems,” he told CNBC." The guy himself says it's just an association, aka correlation. It might just be that people who drink more than two diet soda drinks a day also often make some other not so healthy life style choices. The soda itself might be fine.

[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;44417573]Let me point out " “We found an association, so we can’t say that diet drinks cause these problems,” he told CNBC." The guy himself says it's just an association, aka correlation. It might just be that people who drink more than two diet soda drinks a day also often make some other not so healthy life style choices. The soda itself might be fine.[/QUOTE] Diet soda consumers weird me out. I never understood how people prefer the disgusting taste of diet soda over tea or coffee. This is assuming they need caffeine. There will be times when I don't feel like water and there's only diet at someone's house, I'll give it a chance and end up pouring it down the sink because it's a repulsive beverage. Never learn. [QUOTE=Faren;44417637]You pour a drink someone else gave you down the sink? say whaat[/QUOTE] Oh, I was wondering why I had so many dumbs. No, at my aunts and then later my grandmothers house, which I had stayed for like a few months, and a few weeks respectively, I attempted to drink it. Both places being family and neither caring what I ate. It's the result of lowering my standards when checking for food multiple times. Not me being at someone's house and being like "yes I want that- changed mind fuck u". When I first arrived at my grandma's I remember her offering and I turned it down because I knew it wasn't my thing. Glad someone actually made a post in response. I'm not as big of an asshat as I made myself out to be.

[QUOTE=littlefoot;44417621]Diet soda consumers weird me out. I never understood how people prefer the disgusting taste of diet soda over tea or coffee. This is assuming they need caffeine. There will be times when I don't feel like water and there's only diet at someone's house, I'll give it a chance and end up pouring it down the sink because it's a repulsive beverage. Never learn.[/QUOTE] You pour a drink someone else gave you down the sink? say whaat

[QUOTE=Faren;44417637]You pour a drink someone else gave you down the sink? say whaat[/QUOTE] shit i'd never do that even if they gave me something i really don't care for

[QUOTE=littlefoot;44417621]Diet soda consumers weird me out. I never understood how people prefer the disgusting taste of diet soda over tea or coffee. This is assuming they need caffeine. There will be times when I don't feel like water and there's only diet at someone's house, I'll give it a chance and end up pouring it down the sink because it's a repulsive beverage. Never learn.[/QUOTE] My girlfriend says she prefers diet soda because regular soda is "too sweet". I still don't get it, though; even beyond sweetness, I think diet soda just tastes bad.

[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;44417573]Let me point out " “We found an association, so we can’t say that diet drinks cause these problems,” he told CNBC." The guy himself says it's just an association, aka correlation. It might just be that people who drink more than two diet soda drinks a day also often make some other not so healthy life style choices. The soda itself might be fine.[/QUOTE] There is however, a direct correlation between aspartame and raised risk for pancreatic and gall bladder cancer. I've spent the last three months going from home to the CTCA Midwest with a friend's mom for gall bladder cancer, and her primary physician there asked her point blank when they got her charts and records how much diet coke she drank first thing without asking IF she drank it, and the answer was two a day. The soda itself is not fine.

Soda itself isn't good for you, most things that require a base of sugar to artificially sweeten it generally are not. In all honesty, I would prefer if more sodas were made with things like flower oils, natural fruit juices, and simply brewing things over a period of time to increase the flavor or give a distinctive taste. If soda was treated to a similar brewing process to that of XXX alcoholic beverages, it would get a rather rough, but pleasant taste. Which brings me to another thing: If you are after caffeine, drink tea.

[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;44417811]Soda itself isn't good for you, most things that require a base of sugar to artificially sweeten it generally are not. In all honesty, I would prefer if more sodas were made with things like flower oils, natural fruit juices, and simply brewing things over a period of time to increase the flavor or give a distinctive taste. If soda was treated to a similar brewing process to that of XXX alcoholic beverages, it would get a rather rough, but pleasant taste. Which brings me to another thing: If you are after caffeine, drink tea.[/QUOTE] Unfortunately, 'drink tea' just masks the problem. There are many ways one can get caffeine. There's other factors that cause people to drink sodas including the carbonation (<- my main reason for drinking soda), the flavor and also the sweetness. For many people, myself included, drinking tea, coffee or other such caffeinated drinks simply doesn't hit the same spot that soda does because they're neither sweet nor carbonated by themselves. You could argue 'hey just add sugar to your tea and coffee, they can be sweet too'. But then you're back around to the original point that drinking things with sugar in them (beyond reasonable daily amounts) is unhealthy.

[QUOTE=Shugo;44417739]My girlfriend says she prefers diet soda because regular soda is "too sweet". I still don't get it, though; even beyond sweetness, I think diet soda just tastes bad.[/QUOTE] I personally prefer diet coke because it has a bitter taste to me, which I think goes well with a lot of food. I'm a big diet soda drinker, that is when I'm can't get my hands on bawls.

[QUOTE=glitchvid;44417891]I personally prefer diet coke because it has a bitter taste to me, which I think goes well with a lot of food. I'm a big diet soda drinker, that is when I'm can't get my hands on bawls.[/QUOTE] Why not drink Pepsi or Jones? Hell even Sarsaparilla fills in that need for a bitter taste.

[QUOTE=27X;44417773]There is however, a direct correlation between aspartame and raised risk for pancreatic and gall bladder cancer. I've spent the last three months going from home to the CTCA Midwest with a friend's mom for gall bladder cancer, and her primary physician there asked her point blank when they got her charts and records how much diet coke she drank first thing without asking IF she drank it, and the answer was two a day. The soda itself is not fine.[/QUOTE] Yeah, it's true that we know that Aspartane is nasty shit, I will give you that

i gave up soda completely about a month ago or so. i've felt a noticeable difference in my energy level and i've shed off a bit of excess weight that i don't need. i'm just keeping it simple with water, tea, or coffee.

Diet soda tastes like piss and broken dreams. Real soda tastes nice.

[QUOTE=Fatfatfatty;44417937]Diet soda tastes like piss and broken dreams. Real soda tastes nice.[/QUOTE] mexican coca cola is kinda nice, but it really is a vice to be honest.

[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;44417901]Why not drink Pepsi or Jones? Hell even Sarsaparilla fills in that need for a bitter taste.[/QUOTE] Basically opinions and personal tastes.

[QUOTE=littlefoot;44417621]Diet soda consumers weird me out. I never understood how people prefer the disgusting taste of diet soda over tea or coffee. This is assuming they need caffeine. There will be times when I don't feel like water and there's only diet at someone's house, I'll give it a chance and end up pouring it down the sink because it's a repulsive beverage. Never learn.[/QUOTE] I've been hooked on Diet Coke before and I can safely say that it doesn't taste nearly as bad as it does when you're drinking regular stuff when you drink it often; even more (maybe I was just stupid) it almost became kind of addicting to drink it after a while. Though sometimes I'd start absolutely hating the taste randomly and wouldn't be able to drink any for a month or so. One thing I've noticed about nearly all diet sodas is that they all have this weird (not really pleasant or unpleasant) kick to them, but it's not something I've gotten from any regular soda. Now I drink Coffee 24/7.

I remember when people called me an Alex Jones nut job for staying away from appertain (Diet Soda ingredient)... who's laughing now!

So wait. I consume a lot of diet soda but I eat healthy and I excise a lot. Does this still give me a risk of heart disease?

I was addicted to Coke zero, used to drink 3-4 1.5L bottles a day without drinking any water. I realized that it's just a matter of time before my kidneys will fail, was really hard but after about 4 weeks I got completely rid of caffeine and sodas. I still can't stand the taste of water, and I can't drink anything sweet in the quantities that I need for water, so what I found out is that if you use stevia extract as a substitute for sugar/aspartame it tastes much better and has many advantages over aspartame (mainly that it most likely doesn't kill you over time) Then a certain strand of Stevia was discovered to mutate DNA ._. [editline]1st April 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Secrios;44418016]I remember when people called me an Alex Jones nut job for staying away from appertain (Diet Soda ingredient)... who's laughing now![/QUOTE] This was pretty much common knowledge, he was just explaining it like a nutjob

I've been treating soda as a party beverage for a few years now. I really don't get people who drink it every day even the diet varieties. I always thought diet soda was just a marketing gimmick and that it still had to be bad somehow because if you have a healthy diet then it shouldn't contain it in the first place. Figured it was probably just to cash in on fat people who had a small want to improve their health but just couldn't cut the soda. I really like carbonated water, black coffee and black tea, and yerba mate these days.

[QUOTE=Secrios;44418016]I remember when people called me an Alex Jones nut job for staying away from appertain (Diet Soda ingredient)... who's laughing now![/QUOTE]Those with reading comprehension i.e. not you, it seems.

what if i inhale it

[QUOTE=Hamsterjuice;44418141]what if i inhale it[/QUOTE] Vaping diet soda

[QUOTE=littlefoot;44417621]Diet soda consumers weird me out. [/QUOTE] People with diabetes and no other choice if they want a glass of coke?