• Feminist Frequency gets a Massive Score
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To my knowledge, Anita's series was never about positing solutions. It was about getting people to talk about this stuff.
My main gripe with her is that she made over like 150000 dollars on kickstarter yet has only made 5 episodes in almost 2 years
My main gripe with her is that she openly lied about her knowledge/experience with videogames to help get a bunch of money.
Lets just all be honest and establish that most "youtube feminists" are talking out of their arse to take advantage of all the tumblr teenagers that think they're making the world a better place by having a certain biased viewpoint. And the main problem is that the actual issues feminism stands for isn't being taken seriously because the only feminists that are noticed are the utter twats that spurt shit like this one.
[QUOTE=AcidGravy;45432741][B]Lets just all be honest and establish that most "youtube feminists" are talking out of their arse to take advantage of all the tumblr teenagers that think they're making the world a better place by having a certain biased viewpoint. And the main problem is that the actual issues feminism stands for isn't being taken seriously because the only feminists that are noticed are the utter twats that spurt shit like this one[/B].[/QUOTE] you know, people say that online discussions of sexism or misogyny (in any situation or media) quickly results in disproportionate displays of sexism and misogyny i think they're right in this case, thanks to this wonderful comment
[QUOTE=Warriorx4;45432275]To my knowledge, Anita's series was never about positing solutions. It was about getting people to talk about this stuff.[/QUOTE] Eh, go to tumblr, people are already talking about it. She has a huge budget and showing problems doesn't actually help anyone, we need solutions, she could do a lot of good.
The Tropes vs Video Games videos explain representation in art really well and lay out mostly solid historical examples but when it comes to more modern games she starts reaching at best to try and make the point or outright doesn't understand the plot/setting of the games she criticizes. At the very least though her videos are a springboard for good discussion, which is more than I can say for the counter videos that usually consist of "Well sexism is in games but don't ever ever talk about it or you are a social justice warrior snowflake tumblr user seeking a hugbox to censor media".
what a dumb video, way to miss the point of it all [QUOTE=Raidyr;45432866]The Tropes vs Video Games videos explain representation in art really well and lay out mostly solid historical examples but when it comes to more modern games she starts reaching at best to try and make the point or outright doesn't understand the plot/setting of the games she criticizes. At the very least though her videos are a springboard for good discussion, which is more than I can say for the counter videos that usually consist of "Well sexism is in games but don't ever ever talk about it or you are a social justice warrior snowflake tumblr user seeking a hugbox to censor media".[/QUOTE] this is a good, calm and informed post shame we already know how this thread is gonna turn out, seeing as the same tired, shitty "b-but she's not a real gamer/b-but kickstarter" posts have already been made not even 10 posts into the thread [editline]yes[/editline] [URL="http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Anita%27s_Law"]Anita's law[/URL] is in full effect
[QUOTE=Ownederd;45432814]you know, people say that online discussions of sexism or misogyny (in any situation or media) quickly results in disproportionate displays of sexism and misogyny i think they're right in this case, thanks to this wonderful comment[/QUOTE] Can anyone explain to me how he was being sexist/misogynist? He called others out on only paying attention to the dumb "feminists" instead of the actual feminists, which is actually a huge, real problem. Ownederd, I know you have a hard time using certain words you see in the internet as something other than buzzwords, but please, look up the meaning of sexism and misogyny, because they don't actually stand for what you think they stand for.
[QUOTE=Ownederd;45432814]you know, people say that online discussions of sexism or misogyny (in any situation or media) quickly results in disproportionate displays of sexism and misogyny i think they're right in this case, thanks to this wonderful comment[/QUOTE] It might seem like that if you don't know what sexism or misogyny means. Calling most YouTube feminists dumb is neither. Unless you're implying that only women can be dumb YouTube feminists. Now [B]that's[/B] sexist.
1/10? That's a little too extreme, I'd give her a strong 2 or a light 3.
[QUOTE=Manibogi;45432945]Can anyone explain to me how he was being sexist/misogynist? He called others out on only paying attention to the dumb "feminists" instead of the actual feminists, which is actually a huge, real problem. Ownederd, I know you have a hard time using certain words you see in the internet as something other than buzzwords, but please, look up the meaning of sexism and misogyny, because they don't actually stand for what you think they stand for.[/QUOTE] *please* down tone your condescension first before you argue
[QUOTE=Ownederd;45433104]*please* down tone your condescension first before you argue[/QUOTE] Saying please is now condescending? Ok. Look dude, you said hugbox was an ableist term and you think calling out legitimately dumb feminists is sexist/misogynistic, so unless you find a way prove me wrong I'll say that you resort to using buzzwords to defend your stance because you never have any idea of what you talk about.
[QUOTE=Manibogi;45433175]Saying please is now condescending? Ok. Look dude, you said hugbox was an ableist term and you think calling out legitimately dumb feminists is sexist/misogynistic, so unless you find a way prove me wrong I'll say that you resort to using buzzwords to defend your stance because you never have any idea of what you talk about.[/QUOTE] twat is a blatantly sexist word and what he said is pretty much nothing more than a solid example of anita's law in the form of a drive-by comment. why should i even bother to take that comment seriously [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Tumblr shitposting - Start arguing correctly" - Craptasket))[/highlight]
part of the difficulty with these discussions is the uncompromising ideologues on both sides. Even asking questions, honest questions can set some of you off.
[QUOTE=Ownederd;45433195]twat is a blatantly sexist word and what he said is pretty much nothing more than a solid example of anita's law in the form of a drive-by comment. why should i even bother to take that comment seriously[/QUOTE] If you really wanted to argue (which seems to be the case, judging by your previous post) you wouldn't be overreacting to a word that lost its meaning a looong time ago.
[QUOTE=Warriorx4;45432275]To my knowledge, Anita's series was never about positing solutions. It was about getting people to talk about this stuff.[/QUOTE] But she doesn't allow comments on her youtube videos? The place where it could be... you know. Discussed?
[QUOTE=Ownederd;45433195]twat is a blatantly sexist word and what he said is pretty much nothing more than a solid example of anita's law in the form of a drive-by comment. why should i even bother to take that comment seriously[/QUOTE] Really? That's the word you got caught on? How is calling someone a twat or a dick sexist, both terms are used for both genders. What the word originates from is irrelevant when used in this context.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;45433220]part of the difficulty with these discussions is the uncompromising ideologues on both sides. Even asking questions, honest questions can set some of you off.[/QUOTE] the best way i can think of saying this is that some people think that, somehow, when people like anita or zoe quinn make critiques about games and representation, people somehow think that they're being invaded
[QUOTE=RautaPalli;45433248]Really? That's the word you got caught on? How is calling someone a twat or a dick sexist, both terms are used for both genders.[/QUOTE] Actually, dick is almost always used for males. Bitch is the female equivalent.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;45432866]The Tropes vs Video Games videos explain representation in art really well and lay out mostly solid historical examples but when it comes to more modern games she starts reaching at best to try and make the point or outright doesn't understand the plot/setting of the games she criticizes. At the very least though her videos are a springboard for good discussion, which is more than I can say for the counter videos that usually consist of "Well sexism is in games but don't ever ever talk about it or you are a social justice warrior snowflake tumblr user seeking a hugbox to censor media".[/QUOTE] I disagree. They're at an odd point where they provide little context with just her own personal interpretation of how it fits into a trope, but they introduce everything at such a low level that it assumes people are unfamiliar with even the basics. You need that context and discussion to get anything but a biased viewpoint on the issue, but they don't seem aimed at anyone with that context. Not to mention examining things as tropes is the most ass-backwards interpretation possible. Loosely linking a pattern in an environment without context to sexism is one thing, but to think it maintains that link within context, context which often completely breaks that link, just isn't logical. It's the same thinking as [I]the act of killing is wrong, therefore all soldiers and those who assist them are murderers[/I], or [I]taking money and goods from people with threat of kidnapping is wrong, therefore taxes are theft and imprisonment is morally reprehensible[/I]. [QUOTE=Ownederd;45433250]the best way i can think of saying this is that some people think that, somehow, when people like anita or zoe quinn make critiques about games and representation, people somehow think that they're being invaded[/QUOTE] You know people might be getting that way for other reasons, such as you accusing them of being sexist and dismissing them as condescending or defensive. At least you're certainly making things worse.
[QUOTE=Ownederd;45433250]the best way i can think of saying this is that some people think that, somehow, when people like anita or zoe quinn make critiques about games and representation, people somehow think that they're being invaded[/QUOTE] considering your initial reaction is to insult and deride them, not surprising they aren't going to be conducive to good conversations. do you honestly think you can shame most people into "better" opinions? [editline]18th July 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=RautaPalli;45433248]Really? That's the word you got caught on? How is calling someone a twat or a dick sexist, both terms are used for both genders. What the word originates from is irrelevant when used in this context.[/QUOTE] it really doesn't seem like people consider them equal. Dick/prick are both negative words used all the time, but it really doesn't seem to matter they're used in such a way to a lot of the arguments here. And i'm sure I'll get called a sexist just for noting that such a hypocrisy exists.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;45433303]considering your initial reaction is to insult and deride them, not surprising they aren't going to be conducive to good conversations. do you honestly think you can shame most people into "better" opinions?[/QUOTE] i don't try to insult anyone outright. if i don't always act responsible around people then i'm sorry
[QUOTE=Devodiere;45433271]I disagree. They're at an odd point where they provide little context with just her own personal interpretation of how it fits into a trope, but they introduce everything at such a low level that it assumes people are unfamiliar with even the basics. You need that context and discussion to get anything but a biased viewpoint on the issue, but they don't seem aimed at anyone with that context. [/QUOTE] You say it's at such a low level but it's obviously not when so many people deny basic ideas like the relationship between the subject and an object. [QUOTE=Devodiere;45433271]Not to mention examining things as tropes is the most ass-backwards interpretation possible. Loosely linking a pattern in an environment without context to sexism is one thing, but to think it maintains that link within context, context which often completely breaks that link, just isn't logical. It's the same thinking as [I]the act of killing is wrong, therefore all soldiers and those who assist them are murderers[/I], or [I]taking money and goods from people with threat of kidnapping is wrong, therefore taxes are theft and imprisonment is morally reprehensible[/I]. [/QUOTE] Examining tropes is a pretty established way of critiquing media. I also don't understand what those examples have anything to do with the context of her points. Mind citing a more specific example?
Anita Sarkeesian is simply not competent enough to make that series. She doesn't know how to make videos that don't feel like amateur work (she got paid 150000 for this, with that much money you simply cannot just put up some work that's barely better than what you released before), she doesn't have the basic knowledge that is necessary to do a retrospective on video games with a theme as specific as the place of women in them (a knowledge she CLAIMED TO HAVE, before backpedaling and admitting a lot of her footage used for the first videos in the series and probably still now were from other uncredited youtube sources), and she doesn't have the necessary analytical skills to actually look at a piece of media such as a single video game and apply her own theory with a grain of salt. Her entire logic is dumb is immature. Not that her points are automatically wrong, it's just that the way she applies these points to anything related to video games is absurd, one-directional and idiotic. She's basically just pointing fingers at random things that rarely actually match her accusations, without putting as much as a bit of reflexion on whether or not her points actually do apply. Long story short, Anita Sarkeesian may be getting a lot of shit from blind dumb shits who just diss the whole thing because lolfeminazis, but she's also getting a lot of shit because of her sheer incompetence and inability to handle the subject matter that she herself chose for her videos and [I]asked money for[/I]. Like just a basic example, when in her last video she tried to prove that GTA V is sexist. Her example was that there were prostitutes, and you could kill these prostitutes for money, thus the game was sexist because it let you harm women and get benefits from this action. The entire point falls apart when you realize that she ignored literally the entire rest of the game where killing anyone, male or female, that looks like they may be loaded with cash will very likely lead to them dropping a big wad of cash. She ignored that entire aspect to just angrily point fingers at one aspect of the game completely taken out of context despite the rest of the title proving her wrong. I'm actually really curious as to how a series about tropes and women in video games would turn out if it was handled by a competent person who actually knows what they're doing.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;45433220]part of the difficulty with these discussions is the uncompromising ideologues on both sides. Even asking questions, honest questions can set some of you off.[/QUOTE] Which gets really annoying because there are serious critiques that need to be done.
[QUOTE=Ownederd;45433195][B]twat is a blatantly sexist word [/B]and what he said is pretty much nothing more than a solid example of anita's law in the form of a drive-by comment. why should i even bother to take that comment seriously[/QUOTE] good god i don't even need to make parody posts anymore posters like you parody yourselves amazing
I can't take Anita seriously because whenever I see those huge earrings I can't help but imagine them getting caught on something, and I have to turn the video off before my stomach does a somersault.
[QUOTE=Ownederd;45433250]the best way i can think of saying this is that some people think that, somehow, when people like anita or zoe quinn make critiques about games and representation, people somehow think that they're being invaded[/QUOTE] The issue is that you are being invaded, especially if you're passionate about that form of media. Just think for a moment and remember that fights over pre-made gaming machines occurs that get boiled down to little detail facts to somehow one up the other. This exists in almost all mediums, but because Videogames right now [B]the[/B] singular form of media because it converges visual and auditory methods of representing and object(s) or issue(s). This is a fight that's been happening in all other forms of media but for many Millennials, videogames and the internet are their main source of media, cultural involvement. They grew up with the Videogame/internet explosion of the 90s. Videogames and the internet grew up along side them. This is their childhood, this is their teenage years. They look back at these fondly to come poking feels more like a bullet or a dagger through the heart.
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