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[b]IGNORE THE MASSIVE BLOCK OF TEXT UNDER THIS, PLEASE READ THIS FIRST[/b] Okay, so basically I have an assignment I've been doing since mid last year in order for me to pass year 12. For my topic I chose to ask the question [b]“How has music evolved from the 1900s onwards, to reach the level that it is at today?”[/b] Now if there is one thing I've learnt, you guys will fight to the death over absolute specifics regarding music, and I'm gonna level with ya, I don't know shit about basically anything to do with the evolution of rock music from the 60s onwards. I like music, not history. I also know very little about Chuck Berry, BB King and the Jazz stuff I mentioned. I'm doing three sections all chronologically, Jazz, Rock and Metal. So what I've done is I've started writing about it and it occurred to me I should ask you guys. So what I'm going to do now is I'm going to post what I've done so far, you don't have to read it, I'm just asking for some help if you're willing to give it. Also if you see any spelling mistakes, please let me know. Here goes! [b]Rock[/b] So, rock music. From originally being seen as a negative influence on the youth of the last 50s and 60s, rock music has gone on to become one of the most, if not the most loved sound of 20th and 21st century. Representing many different emotions and ideals, rebellion, love, hate, pro and anti war, rock music has continued to be interpreted and played differently by each generation that was exposed to it. Rock music is probably one of the most varied styles of music in recent history. Post rock, progressive rock, psychedelic rock, all of these styles are directly influenced by the original, basis of rock that was pioneered by artists such as The Beatles. Below: Left to right: The Beatles, and Chuck Berry in concert There are no pics, this is from a word doc [b]Late 50s – early 60s[/b] It’s debatable as to exactly where rock music originated, and how. However there are some solid foundations which it’s said to have been derived from. It’s important to note that Rock music was essentially the combination of blues, country music, jazz and gospel together. Obviously, leading up to the 60s in which rock music is said to have truly began, the music scene was experiencing a flourish of jazz and blues related acts, as the long lived style of Jazz was reaching it’s pinnacle. Two of these jazz and blues related artists, Chuck Berry and BB King have been said to have exhibited some of the first characteristic s of rock n’ roll music. Both Chuck Berry and BB King were primarily blues or jazz guitarists. While both of these guitarists have been said to belong to the blues/rhythm and blues camps, in terms of how their music was played. While both of these players maintained a level of authenticity and similarity to previous styles of Jazz and rhythm and blues, they also managed to inject it with something a little bit different, which helped both of these guitarists to rise to fame. It was after all, Chuck Berry who wrote the iconic “Johnny B. Goode.”, and BB King who wrote “The Thrill Is Gone.” It’s important to mention, that I’m not trying to say that these two guitarists are the sole creators of modern rock, as there are many different musicians that have contributed just as much as BB King and Chuck Berry. They are just two very well known figures who are good examples. In reality, the actual roots for rock music had surfaced to the mainstream in singles by other artists as far back as the 40s So, at this point in time rock music was in it’s infancy. It is important to note that Elvis was active during this time in history, and of course Elvis Presley is considered by many, to be the father of all rock music. In 1956, Elvis released his self titled début album, which spent 10 weeks at number one in the Billboard Top Pop Album charts in 1956. It is also the first rock album to sell a million copies. Below: Presley’s self titled album (1956) The sixties and the years that followed it were to produce some of the greatest and most inspirational artists that we of the 20th, and indeed the 21st century. It was an incredible time for music, boundaries were pushed and rules were broken. Virtually anything was possible, there were no predefined rules, or guidelines for new artists to follow. Bands and artists such as The Beatles, Hendrix, Cream, Pink Floyd, Led Zeppelin, would rise to fame in these years. Their legacies, would remain etched in Western Culture and music for many years to follow, perhaps for eternity. So, let’s get ready to delve deep into that world. Rock (60s) The original form of rock music which appeared presumably in the first three years of the 60s, was played with typically three to four musicians. There was a bassist, a drummer, one or two guitarists (rhythm and lead) and in most cases a singer. Guitar, drums and bass are the typical instruments used in 60s rock music however a wide variety of instruments can be potentially used. While The Beatles went as far to employ an instrument as exotic as the Indian Sitar, generally more traditional instruments such as the keyboard and saxophone can be used. It was played with what is called an unsyncopated rhythm, and played in 4/4 time. What an unsyncopated rhythm is, is when the regular flow of rhythm is intentionally disturbed or interrupted, meaning that certain stresses or accents are placed at points in the music in which they would normally not occur. On the beats 2 and 4 of the bar, the drummer would usually play a repeditive backbeat on the snare drum.Rock, at it’s most basic was comprised of three simple chords (Open major and minor chords on a guitar primarily) , a solid back beat by the drummer and a poppy, upbeat melody. Rock at it’s purest form was not a complex. However as time went on bands and musicians experimented resulting in varying level of complexity in commercial rock music. [b]Also not being a dick here but I copyright this shit, and no I'm not failing year 12 because somebody wants to fuck with my shit. Rating myself funny because I think it's funny[/b] © 2011 En-Guage V2 If anyone is willing to help, I might make a new thread for the Jazz section, but not for a while [editline]22nd January 2011[/editline] Where the hell is Akayz when you need him And no once you read this I am not including soul in my report. [b]Garage Rock /Punk Rock (mid 60s)[/b] One of the first sub genres of rock to emerge, garage rock contained many elements of rock music which would continue to be prevalent, even much later in the 21st century. During the 1960s, Garage rock wasn’t even recognized as a separate kind of music to regular rock bands. Eventually however as the years went by and the 60s turned into the 70s, garage rock had changed into the original form of punk rock pioneered by bands such as The Clash or The Sex Pistols. Subsequently 60s garage rock was referred to as 60s punk to avoid confusing these garage rock bands with the sound played by 70s punk bands. It’s estimated that the garage rock scene had it’s origins as early as 1958. Examples of one of the first mainstream examples of garage rock could be songs like “Dirty Robber”, which was written and performed by The Wailers. Another example could be “Rumble” by Link Wray, or “Green Onions” by Booker T and the MGs. There were of course other examples and artists who contributed as much to garage rock as the artists aforementioned, however these are the artists that have been cited in history, as these previously mentioned bands were better received by the general population. Bands such as “The Sonics” never truly broke into the mainstream charts, and as such weren’t as well known as some of their peers. However the fact stands, that The Sonics, and indeed many other garage bands were extremely influential to the evolution of the genre as a whole. Regarding the actual style of music, “garage rock” was named after the way in which it was played said to have been played originally by teenagers, who would rehearse and jam in their garages. This isn’t strictly true, but generally garage musicians were either adolescents from middle class families, or musicians from the suburbs or urban areas in their 20s. Garage rock was quite different to rock, in that it was far more aggressive and energetic. Instead of poppy, catchy melodies of other bands of the era, garage rock was played with a ferocious energy, notable in that instead of sung vocals, at times shouted or growled vocals were used to underline aggression. Another key difference between garage rock and contemporary rock, was that the guitars were played through a fuzz box, in order to maximize the level of distortion created by the guitar pickups. This is turn also increased the ferocity and emotion in the music, as obviously distortion results in a heavier, darker tone with far more sustain that if the guitar was played with simply overdrive, or in clean. The lyrical themes that garage rock was played with also set it apart from regular rock music. As generally the members of the band were middle class, white adolescents, the lyrics tended to deal with issues that teens experienced in their adolescence, notably the pitfalls and issues with high school life, and about relationships with girls and their “lies” If it were possible, I’d choose to include a general overview of the theory of how garage rock was played, however it seemed that there was no predetermined way in which garage rock “should” be played. It seemed as long as the lyrical themes remained intact, a lot of variation was possible. This is evident as some garage rock bands such as “The Seeds” or “The Kregs” employed simply one guitar chord which formed the basis of the song structure, while other artists like “The Knickerboxers” were far more technical in their playing than their fellow bands. It also seemed that the area in which these bands first formed and wrote their music had a definitive impact on their sound. It’s also important to note that garage rock had a massive impact the development of metal, as punk’s raw, aggressive form is undeniably a core element of any kind of metal. Also when garage rock eventually became punk rock, punk rock lead to genres such as hardcore punk, which of course was the basis of practically any of the “cores” of metal, for example hardcore, metalcore, deathcore, ect. I realise you hate cores FP, suggest me something better to put here. [b]Pop Rock (late 50s – present day)[/b] While the basics of pop rock were explored the first section of “pure” 60s rock, here it will be expanded upon. It’s probably worth mentioning that pop rock is the polar opposite of garage rock, or punk rock. The history of pop rock is almost identical to that of regular rock music, so I won’t include it as I’d essentially be writing exactly what I did before. It’s simply rock music in the 60s that was written specifically to be popular, hence the term pop music. There are conflicting views to whether pop rock is a separate genre of music to rock, or simply a more upbeat version of the kind of rock that first appeared in the 60s. However the pop rock of today is extremely difficult to that experienced in the previous century as the song which passes for “pop” has changed a lot over the last 30 – 40 years. So, essentially pop rock was written so that it would appeal to a wider audience. Due to this, pop rock was generally a more “happy”, and “upbeat”. Theory wise, the actual notes that were used in the music were generally major instead of minor. What this resulted in, was a happier more cheerful kind of tone which greatly helped to portray the more “happy” kind of mood that pop rock is noted for. Also the lyrical themes in pop rock are also, happy and upbeat as well. Some notable pop rock artists are people such as Elton John, with songs like “Crocodile Rock” and “Saturday Night’s Alright (For Fighting)”. Pop rock was, and still is an incredible well liked and enjoyed form of rock music, because of the mood that it creates. Pop rock was generally aimed towards teenagers, or youth in general. After “the British invasion “ of the early 1960s by bands such as the Beatles and The Rolling Stones, pop rock was often seen as quite often seen as the polar opposite of rock music, despite the normally obvious similarities. This was because from roughly 1966 or 167 onwards it was commercially seen as being a more accessible and simple form entertainment than regular rock music. This is because (and it was mentioned in the 60s rock section), that as the 60s went on, rock music became far more complicated, both musically and emotionally. Eventually it dealt with issues such as suicide, loneliness, inadequacy. As you can tell, these topics while important aren’t exactly “happy” or “uplifting”, which is why it is set apart from regular rock music. To underline this fact, rock music was moving into the state of mind that albums and landmark concept albums full of emotion were more important than an extremely catchy song that would quickly climb to the music charts. The Beach Boy’s album “Pet sounds” is a good example of this, as it was written about their ex singer/song writer, Brian Wilson. [b]Psychedelic Rock[/b] [i]Just started this today, it is unfinished[/i] Arguably one of the most interesting sub genres to spawn from rock music, psychedelic rock is some one of the most loved styles of rock music to exist. As the name suggests, psychedelic rock is very closely linked to the use of recreation drugs, whether they be stimulants, depressants or hallucinogens. Psychedelic rock has come a long way, from being a non existent form of music to being practically a super power in under a decade. Bands such as Pink Floyd and Jefferson Aeroplane are some great examples of the bands who helped to make psychedelic rock what it is today. Let’s go back however, to the very beginning and origin of psychedelic rock. In the 1960s, drug culture was at an all time high. Plants like marijuana were in widespread use, and more powerful drugs like LSD and other hallucinogens were being used by people all over the world in order to ascend to a higher level of consciousness, and to explore themselves mentally. Like the jazz and blues musicians decades beforehand, it was not an uncommon thing for these musicians to take drugs and to include references to these drugs in their songs. It’s no surprise that some musicians got a lot of inspiration by taking drugs as many of them allowed them to “unlock” the limitless potential that was contained inside their heads. It’s difficult to explain exactly why this is so, but it’s undeniable that some of the greatest albums of all time have been written by artists who were under the influence. That aside, blues and folk musicians began to try these new substances, and like the musicians of any generation were directly influenced by the other styles that were evolving at an exponential rate around them. Some say that psychedelic rock’s roots were in the American revival of folk music in the late 50s and 60s. This revival was when folk musicians began the eventual shift from old material to the new, experimenting initially with folk rock, primarily because of the Beatles. Eventually, as mentioned before these folk musicians began to experiment with different substances, which formed the basis of the inspiration for psychedelic rock. In essence, psychedelic rock is an attempt at recreating the experience gained from partaking in conscious altering substances. The topic of a psychedelic rock song could be the internal dialogue that every person has with themselves, death and existence, or virtually anything else. In short, the shock of the quick and brutal rise to fame of the Beatles, interest in spirituality, eastern culture and ideals and the ease of access to drugs such as LSD and marijuana in America all helped to popularize psychedelic rock. It’s said that the first “real” psychedelic rock sound came from the band the “Holy Modal Rounders”, a little known band from New York. Their song “Hesitation Blues”, released in 1964, was said to have been the basis for psychedelic rock. The Beatles’ previous works had helped greatly to inspire this and the slew of first psychedelic rock bands, in 1965 they decided to experiment with LSD. This was undoubtedly the inspiration behind their eight studio album, “Sgt. Pepper’s Lonely Heart’s Club Band”, which is regarded as one of the if not, the best psychedelic rock album ever released. Ironically, they basically set off the spark to ignite the bomb that was psychedelic rock. From after this point onwards, the scene literally exploded. Bands like The Grateful Dead and Jefferson Airplane
include soul :smug:
What about sou-- Damn ninja! :ninja:
How about you write it for me and then I'll put it in there
But in all seriousness. Music used to be about people in societies hanging out and having fun. Blues clubs, Jazz Clubs.. All that is gone. War time music, "hit back at the government" music, motown, psychadelic, then an age where Stevie Wonder ruled, 80s stereotype, digital electronic age and then justin bieber.
There's always incredible stuff to listen to, it's just not in the mainstream Who knows, a neo Pink Floyd might appear one day, you just have to know the right places to look. That said, music had to change eventually, although I personally hate what it's turned into. To me it seems like it's how to make a quick cash grab for a tuneless, 3 minute song made with a drum machine and auto tune. It's not about the music anymore man :( I know where I can find incredible music though, so things are good. I just wish the mainstream would catch fire and die so it could turn into something better
I'm not too bothered about single charts, more into albums. I think in modern days, people have gone overboard with "comeback" albums. I still think Eminem's Recovery is his worst album. It's his best selling in years... But I don't like to say all mainstream is bad because it isn't. It isn't great most of the time, but it isn't necessarily bad music. All people have commented on complaining about the mainstream over the years. I've just learned to get over it. Bieber is one of the most popular people in the world. Whether it be people hate him, you still talk about him and you are in essence obsessed. Same thing happened with Elvis and The Beatles.. [editline]22nd January 2011[/editline] Engauge, try talking about how the charts were divided into White and Black, expand from there. It is a very heavy assignment, so don't generalise all influence on rock mainly. Michael Jackson was our modern Elvis.
I don't think I agree with calling B.B. King primarily a jazz musician. He played the blues, sang with a gospel voice and had a jazz band. Also, I don't know if Elvis is seen as the father of rock or not, but he certainly isn't. He basically brought RnB to the white world with another name; Rock n Roll. Basically, he never pioneered the music in anyway, he simply made it famous, I guess. [editline]22nd January 2011[/editline] I'm not an super expert on the subject, so don't take my words for facts.
Little Richard was more of a pioneer than Elvis.
[QUOTE=AK'z;27581659]Little Richard was more of a pioneer than Elvis.[/QUOTE] Little Richard, Muddy Waters and B.B. King were some of the most important people. [editline]22nd January 2011[/editline] Little Richard had his crazy on-stage style. Muddy Waters brought the electric guitar to blues and rock and created the whole rock sound. B.B. King didn't really create anything, that I can point out, but he's been most influental to pretty much every rock band in the late 50's and 60's.
James Brown and Buddy Holly need to be in here somewhere too.
CCR Buddy Holly Velvet Underground Lou Reed Niko The Beatles The Rolling Stones fo sho
Also I'm surprised no one has mentioned Free. They've done alot for pop, rock and metal. Just watch Paul Rodgers on stage.
[QUOTE=MrJazzy;27581625]I don't think I agree with calling B.B. King primarily a jazz musician. He played the blues, sang with a gospel voice and had a jazz band. Also, I don't know if Elvis is seen as the father of rock or not, but he certainly isn't. He basically brought RnB to the white world with another name; Rock n Roll. Basically, he never pioneered the music in anyway, he simply made it famous, I guess. [editline]22nd January 2011[/editline] I'm not an super expert on the subject, so don't take my words for facts.[/QUOTE] The little things help a lot, thanks I'll make those changes immediately, in the hard copy of course [editline]22nd January 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Ca5bah;27581786]CCR Buddy Holly Velvet Underground Lou Reed Niko The Beatles The Rolling Stones fo sho[/QUOTE] Never consider CCR, Holly, Underground, Reed or Niko Thank you [editline]22nd January 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=MrJazzy;27581821]Also I'm surprised no one has mentioned Free. They've done alot for pop, rock and metal. Just watch Paul Rodgers on stage.[/QUOTE] This too has escaped me [editline]22nd January 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=AK'z;27581659]Little Richard was more of a pioneer than Elvis.[/QUOTE] I'll add it [editline]22nd January 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=AK'z;27581542]I'm not too bothered about single charts, more into albums. I think in modern days, people have gone overboard with "comeback" albums. I still think Eminem's Recovery is his worst album. It's his best selling in years... But I don't like to say all mainstream is bad because it isn't. It isn't great most of the time, but it isn't necessarily bad music. All people have commented on complaining about the mainstream over the years. I've just learned to get over it. Bieber is one of the most popular people in the world. Whether it be people hate him, you still talk about him and you are in essence obsessed. Same thing happened with Elvis and The Beatles.. [editline]22nd January 2011[/editline] Engauge, try talking about how the charts were divided into White and Black, expand from there. It is a very heavy assignment, so don't generalise all influence on rock mainly. Michael Jackson was our modern Elvis.[/QUOTE] I'm not a huge fan of comeback albums, I never really listened to one. Not all of mainstream music is bad, but you can't tell me Ke$ha and whatever isn't lacking. For the Beiber thing, I'm sick of hearing about him. I don't hate him, I really care to be honest. Haters gonna hate I guess Never considered discussing black and white differences in the charts, that's the best idea I've heard all day And oh no, I'm not saying all influence was from rock. I'm saying that it inspired a whole heap in this section here, but jazz and blues are the real influences for it. They take the cake they're pretty much the basis for any of the music we have today. Writing the Jazz section was a pleasure, very glad I did it. Maybe I'll post it one day. Thanks to everyone for their help so far, I really appreciate it
Make sure to mention Black Sabbath, Uriah Heep and Jeff Beck's "Truth" album when talking about the development of metal.
Oh wow, Black Sabbath are most definitely in there Again, would never have considered using the Truth album, to be completely honest I didn't even know it existed :v:, I hope I don't sound like an ass there I really should start going back in history. Thanks a lot man Holy shit guys, I called Dad into to see this thread and I told him about how I was writing about BB King So he says "They're coming to town soon, do you want to go and see them?"
Dang you're so lucky... I would personally die to see them :v: Not much I can say if you haven't listened to their recent stuff.
I snipped it by accident I'm shocked, I'm going to start listening to both of them straight away. I mean I've heard a little, but not much. Wow, I'm shocked. This is amazing [editline]22nd January 2011[/editline] Hahahahahahhhhhhhhhahahahaaaaaa
How many records of Dylan's does your dad have?
[QUOTE=En-Guage V2;27581931] Never consider CCR, Holly, Underground, Reed or Niko [/QUOTE] The VU and Lou Reed were pioneers of the proto-punk/alternative movement. You'd have to be insane to not mention them.
[QUOTE=En-Guage V2;27582026]Holy shit guys, I called Dad into to see this thread and I told him about how I was writing about BB King So he says "They're coming to town soon, do you want to go and see them?"[/QUOTE] I thought B.B.King doesn't tour anymore? He is like 85 after all
[QUOTE=CoolCorky;27582957]I thought B.B.King doesn't tour anymore? He is like 85 after all[/QUOTE] No he still does. His age won't bring down his awesomeness.
[QUOTE=CoolCorky;27582957]I thought B.B.King doesn't tour anymore? He is like 85 after all[/QUOTE] B.B. King is like the healthies guy ever, and he's still going! :buddy: [editline]22nd January 2011[/editline] I wish I could see him live, he's my favourite blues musician and has always been... One day, perhaps, before he leaves this world behind!
BB King did 344 concerts in a year once He holds the record for most concerts in 365 days. only 21 days off the entire year, probably only because he couldn't physically get there :v:
I know of 60's rock.... does this help?
[QUOTE=Bloodrealm;27584039]I know of 60's rock.... does this help?[/QUOTE] You're a retard. Does this help? <3
[QUOTE=Peavy262;27584046]You're a retard. Does this help? <3[/QUOTE] chill bro
[QUOTE=Bloodrealm;27584493]chill bro[/QUOTE] I'm chill brah. I'm just stating the obvious! once again, <3
[QUOTE=Peavy262;27584636]I'm chill brah. I'm just stating the obvious! once again, <3[/QUOTE] Well really... It's not obvious, because.... You don't actually know me. so plz dun't h8 i was just tryin to help
[QUOTE=Bloodrealm;27584857]so plz dun't h8 i was just tryin to help[/QUOTE] hah
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