Loud Mouth Sean Spicer says Yemen raid was Success
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[quote]White House Press Secretary [B]Sean Spicer[/B] Wednesday said the recent U.S. raid in Yemen, which killed a U.S. commando and at least 30 others, was “[B]absolutely a success[/B].”
“Anyone who would suggest it’s not a success does disservice to the life of Chief Ryan Owens,” Spicer said at the daily White House press briefing, referring to the U.S. commando who was killed during the raid. “He fought knowing what was at stake in that mission.”
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[quote][B]Sen. John McCain[/B] (R-Arizona), chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, described the raid to reporters on Capitol Hill this week as “[B]a failure[/B].” In a statement released after those comments, [B]McCain didn’t use the word “failure” again, but said he would not describe it as “a success.”[/B]
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I cannot find a wall hard enough to beat my head off of.
Didn't civilians die? like? a fucking lot of them?
[QUOTE=J!NX;51798344]Didn't civilians die? like? a fucking lot of them?[/QUOTE]
Something like 30 civs and 1 US military member.
Wasn't it their mission to capture a target but ended up escaping?
[QUOTE=Aide;51798347]Something like 30 civs and 1 US military member.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=RootingaSmurf;51798349]Wasn't it their mission to capture a target but ended up escaping?[/QUOTE]
I mean if you could 31 deaths and an escapee a good thing then clearly Sean isn't wrong, in that front it IS a success
[QUOTE]“Anyone who would suggest it’s not a success does disservice to the life of Chief Ryan Owens,” Spicer said[/QUOTE]
Using his death to further your agenda? Go fuck yourself Spicer.
[QUOTE=J!NX;51798352]I mean if you could 31 deaths and an escapee a good thing then clearly Sean isn't wrong, in that front it IS a success[/QUOTE]
seems like it was a success for the terrorists...
it was an alternative success
So it would be a disservice to a fallen service member to say it wasn't a success? In that case, the vietnam war was a blinding success.
"The results of this raid were doubleplusgood and that's a fact, Jack."
Even if you dont count the civilian death, they still let the target escape, it was a failure all around.
The raid [url=http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/08/middleeast/yemen-raid-explainer/]accomplished its mission objectives[/url] at the cost of one SEAL. They killed three senior Al-Qaeda leaders, and recovered the intelligence they were after.
McCain's specific comment was 'I would not describe any operation that results in the loss of American life as a success'. Fair enough on his part- SEALs are not an unlimited resource, and Owens' death should be respected. But calling it an outright failure implies that they failed to accomplish their objectives, and that doesn't seem to be the case.
So as far as I can tell, Spicer is actually right. The raid was a success, even if that success came at a price.
It's unsurprising that the worst part of Obama's administration is being continued. Even more unsurprising is it still kills only around one tenth of intended targets with the other nine tenths being unintended.
[QUOTE=J!NX;51798344]Didn't civilians die? like? a fucking lot of them?[/QUOTE]
Nine children under the age of 12 died. Seven were under the age of 8, with the other two being 11 and 12
Apparently the first casualty was an 11 year old, and most other casualties were heads of households who had come out to see what the commotion was, some were shot while fleeing
[QUOTE=catbarf;51798739]The raid [url=http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/08/middleeast/yemen-raid-explainer/]accomplished its mission objectives[/url] at the cost of one SEAL. They killed three senior Al-Qaeda leaders, and recovered the intelligence they were after.
McCain's specific comment was 'I would not describe any operation that results in the loss of American life as a success'. Fair enough on his part- SEALs are not an unlimited resource, and Owens' death should be respected. But calling it an outright failure implies that they failed to accomplish their objectives, and that doesn't seem to be the case.
So as far as I can tell, Spicer is actually right. The raid was a success, even if that success came at a price.[/QUOTE]
NPR said the goal was to capture an Al-Qaeda leader, not kill.
[QUOTE=catbarf;51798739]The raid [url=http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/08/middleeast/yemen-raid-explainer/]accomplished its mission objectives[/url] at the cost of one SEAL. They killed three senior Al-Qaeda leaders, and recovered the intelligence they were after.
McCain's specific comment was 'I would not describe any operation that results in the loss of American life as a success'. Fair enough on his part- SEALs are not an unlimited resource, and Owens' death should be respected. But calling it an outright failure implies that they failed to accomplish their objectives, and that doesn't seem to be the case.
So as far as I can tell, Spicer is actually right. The raid was a success, even if that success came at a price.[/QUOTE]
It's an abject failure in the sense that it did considerably more harm than good. Thirty civilian deaths, including women and children, will empower terrorist propaganda and recruitment efforts. We killed three terrorist leaders, great, but we also just pushed hundreds more closer towards radicalization.
This was a complete hack job. Wreckless and irresponsible. It cannot be called a "success" with that many innocent lives lost.
[QUOTE=catbarf;51798739]So as far as I can tell, Spicer is actually right. The raid was a success, even if that success came at a price.[/QUOTE]
Trouble is, whatever credibility Spicer might have had in the past, he's completely trashed it over the past month while acting as a mouth-piece for the new administration.
EDIT: Also, I wouldn't call any mission resulting in 30+ dead non-combatants a "success". Even if all of the mission objectives had been met, with no casualties on the team, civilian deaths in any number are unacceptable.
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;51799104]It's an abject failure in the sense that it did considerably more harm than good. Thirty civilian deaths, including women and children, will empower terrorist propaganda and recruitment efforts. We killed three terrorist leaders, but just pushed hundreds more closer towards radicalization.
This was a complete hack job. Wreckless and irresponsible. It cannot be called a "success" with that many innocent lives lost.[/QUOTE]
Lol this ain't the first case of a ops going fubar.
If I recall there was the American taken hostage by ISIS or AQ and then they threw a nade into the building.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;51799091]NPR said the goal was to capture an Al-Qaeda leader, not kill.[/QUOTE]
According to the article I linked, the operational goal is to capture the overall Al-Qaeda leader in the region, so they launched this raid to gather the needed intelligence. If you find another source explaining better, please share it and I'll edit my post accordingly.
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;51799104]It's an abject failure in the sense that it did considerably more harm than good. Thirty civilian deaths, including women and children, will empower terrorist propaganda and recruitment efforts. We killed three terrorist leaders, but just pushed hundreds more closer towards radicalization.
This was a complete hack job. Wreckless and irresponsible. It cannot be called a "success" with that many innocent lives lost.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I don't disagree, the use of an air strike in an area with civilians was reckless and irresponsible and intelligence on the ground should have made them aware of the risk. I'm only replying to a couple of posts in this thread that imply the raid did not accomplish its objective. If they hadn't, Spicer would be outright lying, but if the article I linked is accurate then his statement is 'merely' downplaying the unnecessary deaths of civilians due to bad intel. Maybe that's splitting hairs, but at least for the sake of factual accuracy there's a difference between 'failed to complete the objective, killed civilians, and lost a SEAL' and 'completed the objectives, but incurred unacceptable civilian casualties and lost a SEAL'.
I'm pretty sure our objective was getting Qassim al-Rimi, and that failed? He's even been sending out videos mocking the operation
[QUOTE=shian;51799152]Lol this ain't the first case of a ops going fubar.
If I recall there was the American taken hostage by ISIS or AQ and then they threw a nade into the building.[/QUOTE]
... Does that make this okay in some way that I'm just not understanding?
[editline]9th February 2017[/editline]
[QUOTE=catbarf;51799217]According to the article I linked, the operational goal is to capture the overall Al-Qaeda leader in the region, so they launched this raid to gather the needed intelligence. If you find another source explaining better, please share it and I'll edit my post accordingly.
Yeah, I don't disagree, the use of an air strike in an area with civilians was reckless and irresponsible and intelligence on the ground should have made them aware of the risk. I'm only replying to a couple of posts in this thread that imply the raid did not accomplish its objective. If they hadn't, Spicer would be outright lying, but if the article I linked is accurate then his statement is 'merely' downplaying the unnecessary deaths of civilians due to bad intel. Maybe that's splitting hairs, but at least for the sake of factual accuracy there's a difference between 'failed to complete the objective, killed civilians, and lost a SEAL' and 'completed the objectives, but incurred unacceptable civilian casualties and lost a SEAL'.[/QUOTE]
Ah, I gotcha. Yeah, I suppose in a technical sense it accomplished the objectives, but it's still a hell of a stretch to call this a success imo. A successful strategy for unmounting a shelf from your bedroom wall is not to bulldoze the entire house, you know?
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;51799277]Ah, I gotcha. Yeah, I suppose in a technical sense it accomplished the objectives, but it's still a hell of a stretch to call this a success imo. A successful strategy for unmounting a shelf from your bedroom wall is not to bulldoze the entire house, you know?[/QUOTE]
Yep. Whatever temporary advantage this operation may have given us, it's doubtless set us back in the long-run. Reading Sun Tzu, he says to sacrifice short-term advantages in favor of long-term goals. What we've done here is the exact opposite. Yeah, we might have actionable intelligence on someone in al-Qaeda's leadership structure, but it came at the cost of further alienating the population of the Middle East. Without the support of the people, everything we do will be in vain.
Al-Qaeda can replace their commanders as quickly as they die. We, on the other hand, have to struggle to repair and rebuild our reputation.
It actually sickens me when governments appear to care more about looking good than doing good.
Always reminds me of how the Tories changed the definition of "child poverty" so that they could claim to have reduced child poverty without actually doing anything.
[QUOTE=Zorlok;51798715]"The results of this raid were doubleplusgood and that's a fact, Jack."[/QUOTE]
Mideast bombdrop doubleplusgood. Antecombatant noharm, plusbellyfeel.
[QUOTE]Ryan died on a winning mission ( [B]according to General Mattis[/B]), not a "failure." Time for the U.S. to get smart and start winning again![/QUOTE]
Well, if Trump is trying to trigger Mattis, he is certainly trying.
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He was captured and fucking tortured by the Vietnamese while Trump was sucking caviar out of a hooker's ass. I might've been against McCain during his election cycle, but since Easy D got into the White House I've gotta say my respect for him and every sensible Republican has shot right the fuck up.
John McCain is a patriot and Trump is a fucking coward.
[QUOTE=Megadave;51798343]I cannot find a wall hard enough to beat my head off of.[/QUOTE]
don't worry Trump is helping with that
[QUOTE=Paramud;51802649]He was captured and fucking tortured by the Vietnamese while Trump was sucking caviar out of a hooker's ass. I might've been against McCain during his election cycle, but since Easy D got into the White House I've gotta say my respect for him and every sensible Republican has shot right the fuck up.
John McCain is a patriot and Trump is a fucking coward.[/QUOTE]
McCain is like one of 5 sensible republicans after the tea party movement.
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