Abu Khdeir murderer sentenced to life plus 20 years in prison
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[URL]http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4798903,00.html[/URL]
[QUOTE]Yosef Ben-David, who was [URL="http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4793560,00.html"]kidnapping and gruesome murder[/URL] of Palestinian teenager Mohammed Abu Khdeir, was sentenced on Tuesday to life (25 years) and a cumulative punishment of an additional 20 years in prison.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]The Jerusalem District Court also ordered Ben-David to pay NIS 150,000 in compensation to the Abu Khdeir family, and NIS 20,000 to Moussa Zaloum.[/QUOTE]
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Shortly before his sentencing was announced, Ben-David apologized to the Abu Khdeir family for the first time, saying "Everything that happened was out of my control. It's not my character and not who I am. I apologize and ask for forgiveness."[/QUOTE]
Good. It's absolutely disgusting to kill someone in cold blood like that.
[QUOTE]Before the hearing, Hussein demanded justice, saying "Their house should be destroyed, as is done to the Arabs. I expect that he will remain in prison for life and that he will not receive a pardon.”
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Didn't the Israeli courts rule that Jewish terrorists should also suffer this punishment? If so, it'll be interesting to see the backlash from this if it happens.
[QUOTE=Svinnik;50250241]Good. It's absolutely disgusting to kill someone in cold blood like that.
Didn't the Israeli courts rule that Jewish terrorists should also suffer this punishment? If so, it'll be interesting to see the backlash from this if it happens.[/QUOTE]
I could be wrong, but I don't recall a decision like that.
The house demolitions are supposed to be a counter to the various incentives that exist in Palestinian society to motivate people to perform terror attacks, like the money and support terrorists' families get if they are killed or imprisoned.
None of those incentives exist for Jewish Israeli terrorists (which are so far thankfully a much rarer phenomenon), so demolishing this asshole's home really serves no purpose.
[QUOTE=ScumBunny;50250343]I could be wrong, but I don't recall a decision like that.
The house demolitions are supposed to be a counter to the various incentives that exist in Palestinian society to motivate people to perform terror attacks, like the money and support terrorists' families get if they are killed or imprisoned.
None of those incentives exist for Jewish Israeli terrorists (which are so far thankfully a much rarer phenomenon), so demolishing this asshole's home really serves no purpose.[/QUOTE]
Fair is fair though. Doing it to an extreme Jewish Israeli Terrorist would probably deter a lot stronger than doing it to a Palestine when it comes to breeding Israeli terrorists.
[QUOTE=ScumBunny;50250343]I could be wrong, but I don't recall a decision like that.
The house demolitions are supposed to be a counter to the various incentives that exist in Palestinian society to motivate people to perform terror attacks, like the money and support terrorists' families get if they are killed or imprisoned.
None of those incentives exist for Jewish Israeli terrorists (which are so far thankfully a much rarer phenomenon), so demolishing this asshole's home really serves no purpose.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I was wrong. I was thinking about how the courts said that Palestinian families who turn in their terrorist kin can have their home saved from destruction.
The purported "public" reason why Israel demolishes Palestinian homes is because Israel holds that if some distant cousin commits a crime, everyone in his entire family should have known. Therefore, the entire family block loses their homes as they are responsible for not reporting it.
This policy is not replicated to Jewish terrorists because Israel is a racist apartheid state.
[editline]3rd May 2016[/editline]
Nothing to do with "incentives" Its racism. Nothing more.
[QUOTE=Starpluck;50250577]The purported "public" reason why Israel demolishes Palestinian homes is because Israel holds that if some distant cousin commits a crime, everyone in his entire family should have known. Therefore, the entire family block loses their homes as they are responsible for not reporting it.
This policy is not replicated to Jewish terrorists because Israel is a racist apartheid state.
[editline]3rd May 2016[/editline]
Nothing to do with "incentives" Its racism. Nothing more.[/QUOTE]
I mean, 30k from Iran and getting a monthly stipend from the PA for being in Israeli prison is a pretty big incentive. Besides, if Israel destroyed the homes of people for distant cousins committing terror attacks, there would be almost no Palestinian villages standing. Israel punishes people who lived in the same house or were immediate family.
[QUOTE=Svinnik;50250618]I mean, 30k from Iran and getting a monthly stipend from the PA for being in Israeli prison is a pretty big incentive. Besides, if Israel destroyed the homes of people for distant cousins committing terror attacks, there would be almost no Palestinian villages standing. Israel punishes people who lived in the same house or were immediate family.[/QUOTE]
Whatever dubiously mysterious "stipend" you put forth is not why Israel demolishes their homes. Your generous defense of Israel is a "justified-for-you" line in which you gratuitously hand over to Israel, but even Israel refuses to accept your claims for their defense of demolishing the homes of innocent Palestinians. Israel has stated themselves this is not why they demolish Palestinian homes:
[URL]http://abcnews.go.com/International/story?id=79877&page=1[/URL]
The U.S. State Department has criticized the Israeli government's initiative.
"Taking punitive actions against innocent people won't solve Israel's security problems," a State Department spokesman said at the time of the Israeli Supreme Court's decision last week to allow the procedure. [B]Israel defends the practice by saying that the families knew of the terrorist plots, and were therefore party to the crimes. [/B]
Israel's own stated justification is that the families supposedly "knew" of the terrorist plots and— therefore— lose their homes. There is no "incentive" reason and that is purely contrived nonsense that you put forth that not even Israel chooses to employ in their reasoning of defending the wanton destruction Palestinian homes.
Now that we've established that Israel only demolishes homes because they hold their family "should have known" that one of them was a terrorist, my question to you is why doesn't Israel replicate this policy to Jewish terrorists? If this is the so-called equal rights State in which Arabs and Israelis enjoy equal protections as you reiterate, why isn't the Ben-David family getting their houses demolished?
If you want the courtesy of an answer already being already being given to you, it is because he is Jewish; and not a Palestinian/Arab.
Therefore, different laws apply for different races.
[QUOTE=Starpluck;50267392]Whatever dubiously mysterious "stipend" you put forth is not why Israel demolishes their homes. Your generous defense of Israel is a "justified-for-you" line in which you gratuitously hand over to Israel, but even Israel refuses to accept your claims for their defense of demolishing the homes of innocent Palestinians. Israel has stated themselves this is not why they demolish Palestinian homes:
[URL]http://abcnews.go.com/International/story?id=79877&page=1[/URL]
The U.S. State Department has criticized the Israeli government's initiative.
"Taking punitive actions against innocent people won't solve Israel's security problems," a State Department spokesman said at the time of the Israeli Supreme Court's decision last week to allow the procedure. [B]Israel defends the practice by saying that the families knew of the terrorist plots, and were therefore party to the crimes. [/B]
Israel's own stated justification is that the families supposedly "knew" of the terrorist plots and— therefore— lose their homes. There is no "incentive" reason and that is purely contrived nonsense that you put forth that not even Israel chooses to employ in their reasoning of defending the wanton destruction Palestinian homes.
Now that we've established that Israel only demolishes homes because they hold their family "should have known" that one of them was a terrorist, my question to you is why doesn't Israel replicate this policy to Jewish terrorists? If this is the so-called equal rights State in which Arabs and Israelis enjoy equal protections as you reiterate, why isn't the Ben-David family getting their houses demolished?
If you want the courtesy of an answer already being already being given to you, it is because he is Jewish; and not a Palestinian/Arab.
Therefore, different laws apply for different races.[/QUOTE]
The Israel justification in the article you linked says this:
[QUOTE]"The demolition of the terrorists' houses and those of their dispatchers is designated to make the terrorists aware of the price of their actions, thus attempting to prevent additional terror attacks," according to an IDF statement.[/QUOTE]
This is obviously hand-wavy and presented without context, as it doesn't detail why the measure is needed, or why it is effective, namely the various incentives in the Palestinian environment to terrorists and their families, including glorification of terrorists and their families and [URL="http://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/Palestinian-Authority-rejects-criticism-of-Abbas-meetings-with-families-of-terrorists-443935"]official and very public support for them[/URL], up to and including [URL="http://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-news/1.706018"]Palestinian Authority and Iranian payments to killed and imprisoned terrorists' families[/URL] (which really isn't [URL="http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-israel-palestinians-iran-idUKKCN0VX20H"]that[/URL] [URL="http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/nov/11/british-american-aid-subsidises-palestinian-terrorism"]mysterious[/URL]).
However, let's take a look at what [URL="http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4724827,00.html"]the Israeli Supreme Court had to say on the issue[/URL] recently:
[QUOTE]Naor wrote in her opinion that, "as determined in the ruling, the purpose of the regulation is [B]as a deterrent, not a punishment[/B]. This purpose has been recognized as proper.
"Demolishing homes is a harsh and serious step, mainly because [B]it can hurt relatives of the terrorist who sometimes did not aid him and did not know of his plans[/B]…"
However, Noar added that, "Sometimes there is no alternative to using it. Such are the cases in the decrees before us, which deal with cruel terror attacks in which Israeli citizens were murdered in cold blood. [B]The evidence presented to us made me satisfied that destroying homes of terrorists' families creates deterrence among terrorists[/B]."[/QUOTE]
Then why not demolish Jewish terrorist homes and deter them as well?
[QUOTE]On the subject of an alleged double standard for Jews and Palestinians regarding the policy, Justice Solberg wrote, "The reason that Measure 119 is not used for Jews lies in the fact that the Jewish sector [B]does not require the same environmental deterrence that is the purpose of home demolitions[/B]… However, it can't be denied: There are some cases of assault of arabs by Jews… but there are more differences than similarities in several respects."[/QUOTE]
Unfortunately the English version of Ynet doesn't quote Solberg's full explanation. I'll try to translate it from legalese from [URL="http://www.haaretz.co.il/news/law/1.2775142"]the same article in the Hebrew version of Haaretz[/URL]:
[QUOTE]"The reason that Measure 119 is not used for Jews lies in the fact that the Jewish sector does not require the same environmental deterrence that is the purpose of home demolitions. The Jewish public, as a rule, is already deterred and is not incited. It is true that there are some cases of assault of Arabs by Jews and we have gone as far as the terrible murder of Mohammed Abu Khdeir as well as the shocking murder of the Dawabsha family of which not all detail are yet known. However there are more differences than similarities in several respects, and in particular for this matter- the environmental factor: a wall-to-wall denouncement in the Jewish sector, something that is not true on the other side."[/QUOTE]
The bottom line is that like it or not, the big sloppy hug the families of terrorists get from the Palestinian public and establishment is a major contributor to the reason all those people are committing suicide by cop trying to stab Israelis. And as unfair as it is, whatever it takes to make killing Israelis less attractive to these potential killers and or suiciders is, as far as most potential Israeli victims are concerned, totally worth it.
Life, both Israeli and Palestinian, is more important than property.
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