• Saudi student died after male medics weren’t allowed to help due to gender segregation - family
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[QUOTE]The family of a Saudi student at one of Riyadh’s most prestigious universities say 24-year-old Amena Bawazir died of a heart attack after waiting for nearly two hours before qualified medical staff were allowed to reach her. Bawazir, who had a history of heart problems, was attending a lecture at the female-only social studies faculty of The King Saud University at 11 am on Wednesday, when she began to feel ill. Students and staff initially called for campus paramedics, and when it became apparent that the problem was too serious, an ambulance from a local hospital. "The medics were not allowed to enter the campus until 1 pm," Amena’s sister Fahda told Al-Arabiya TV station. Saudi Arabia’s strict Wahhabi interpretation of Islam forbids women from being in contact with members of the opposite sex, unless they are accompanied by a male ‘guardian’, usually a senior family member. Fahda said the ambulance was kept outside, as university administrators initially forbid them from coming in, and then worked out how they could enter through a route "that did not allow the male medics and females in the building to mix" – whether due to fears of being with Bawazir herself, or other students at the faculty. Eventually, the team managed to access Amena, but by the time she reached the hospital she was pronounced dead. The story has prompted an outraged campaign on Twitter – the outlet of choice for dissent by well-off citizens in the ultra-conservative Middle Eastern kingdom. Several eyewitnesses supported Fahda’s account with their own online statements. But the university’s administration says the family’s narrative has been reconstructed from inaccurate hearsay. It said the ambulance was called only at 12:35 am and arrived within ten minutes. They were then allowed to enter directly through a side door, before attempting to revive the student on the spot. “As the university issues this correction, it asserts its responsibility towards all male and female students and its serious efforts to preserve their lives and safety,” said the statement from The King Saud University. Whatever the specifics, the story is reminiscent of a fire at a girls’ school in Mecca in 2002. Religious police did not allow 15 girls to leave, because they were not ‘properly’ dressed, and perished in the blaze. The outcry over the case led to a sweeping reform of the country’s female education system.[/QUOTE] [URL="http://rt.com/news/saudi-arabia-segregation-women-110/"]http://rt.com/news/saudi-arabia-segregation-women-110/[/URL]
What the fuck?
dont you love saudi arabia
[quote]Saudi Arabia’s strict Wahhabi interpretation of Islam forbids women from being in contact with members of the opposite sex, unless they are accompanied by a male ‘guardian’, usually a senior family member.[/quote] ummm no This is so far beyond impractical these days that it won't work at all. Not if you don't want to see this sort of shit happening. This is a disgrace. This is why religious law and state law should never mix, or even if they want to keep their literalist evaluation of the Shari'a, they could at least recognize exceptional situations and acknowledge them. Now this is going to be either a seed to rally around for change, or the religious police will still keep their heads shoved up their asses. [quote]Whatever the specifics, the story is reminiscent of a fire at a girls’ school in Mecca in 2002. Religious police did not allow 15 girls to leave, because they were not ‘properly’ dressed, and perished in the blaze. The outcry over the case led to a sweeping reform of the country’s female education system.[/quote] I remember this one. That was BS in the extreme, that was. Felt green even when reading about it. [quote]But the university’s administration says the family’s narrative has been reconstructed from inaccurate hearsay. It said the ambulance was called only at 12:35 am and arrived within ten minutes. They were then allowed to enter directly through a side door, before attempting to revive the student on the spot[/quote] Not surprised that they want to cover their asses, legal responsibility is something a lot of people try to run away from instead of acknowledging.
[QUOTE=ChronoBlade;43831848]What the fuck?[/QUOTE] This is sadly pretty common in the strict Islamic countries. There was a story a while back of a bunch of muslim schoolgirls dying because they weren't let out of a burning classroom that was on fire (without a male escort)
This shit is beyond barbaric
[quote]Saudi Arabia’s strict Wahhabi interpretation of Islam forbids women from being in contact with members of the opposite sex, unless they are accompanied by a male ‘guardian’, usually a senior family member.[/quote] Religious Kindergarten
Man I bet Muhammad himself would be upset by this.
[QUOTE=SamPerson123;43832076]Man I bet Muhammad himself would be upset by this.[/QUOTE] nah he'd just go fondle his 8 and 6 year old wives.
I really hope there's a revolution in Saudi Arabia. This "religious police" bullshit is, well, bullshit.
[QUOTE=SamPerson123;43832076]Man I bet Muhammad himself would be upset by this.[/QUOTE] I blame the schism among his followers after his death because they disagreed on just how to interpret his teachings. Some wanted to be literalists, others wanted to have a more moderate interpretation. There's not going to be any easy way to reconcile both means of thinking, especially since back in those days most people didn't know the value of compromise when interpreting religious scriptures.
[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;43832115]I blame the schism among his followers after his death because they disagreed on just how to interpret his teachings.[/QUOTE] The religion was created to govern and control people. The major schisms of the faith started between people who wanted more power for themselves. That isn't to say that it can't be a good moral guide but still, alot of questionable and random teachings.
[QUOTE=Tmaxx;43832091]nah he'd just go fondle his 8 and 6 year old wives.[/QUOTE] And that's what I get for going on SA.
Saudi Arabia has to be the most retarded country everywhere, and im american,
[QUOTE=SamPerson123;43832076]Man I bet Muhammad himself would be upset by this.[/QUOTE] "Kindness is a mark of faith, and whoever hath not kindness hath not faith." "O People, it is true that you have certain rights with regard to your women, but they also have right over you" "All mankind is from Adam and Eve, an Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab nor a non-Arab has any superiority over an Arab; also a white has no superiority over black nor a black has any superiority over white except by piety and good action. You know that every Muslim is the brother of another Muslim. Remember, one day you will appear before Allah and answer for your deeds. So beware, do not astray from the path of righteousness after I am gone." Let's face it. Islam is ruined.
[QUOTE=Broguts;43832366]"Kindness is a mark of faith, and whoever hath not kindness hath not faith." "O People, it is true that you have certain rights with regard to your women, but they also have right over you" "All mankind is from Adam and Eve, an Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab nor a non-Arab has any superiority over an Arab; also a white has no superiority over black nor a black has any superiority over white except by piety and good action. You know that every Muslim is the brother of another Muslim. Remember, one day you will appear before Allah and answer for your deeds. So beware, do not astray from the path of righteousness after I am gone." Let's face it. Islam is ruined.[/QUOTE] [img]http://cricketfansforum.net/images/smilies/salute.gif[/img]
[QUOTE=Broguts;43832366]"Kindness is a mark of faith, and whoever hath not kindness hath not faith." "O People, it is true that you have certain rights with regard to your women, but they also have right over you" "All mankind is from Adam and Eve, an Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab nor a non-Arab has any superiority over an Arab; also a white has no superiority over black nor a black has any superiority over white except by piety and good action. You know that every Muslim is the brother of another Muslim. Remember, one day you will appear before Allah and answer for your deeds. So beware, do not astray from the path of righteousness after I am gone." Let's face it. Islam is ruined.[/QUOTE] Islam isn't ruined, but Saudi Arabia will continue being a disaster
[QUOTE=Last or First;43832108]I really hope there's a revolution in Saudi Arabia. This "religious police" bullshit is, well, bullshit.[/QUOTE] The people are too apathetic say what you will about the saudis but they are great at controlling their people
[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;43831882]ummm no This is so far beyond impractical these days that it won't work at all. Not if you don't want to see this sort of shit happening. This is a disgrace. This is why religious law and state law should never mix, or even if they want to keep their literalist evaluation of the Shari'a, they could at least recognize exceptional situations and acknowledge them. Now this is going to be either a seed to rally around for change, or the religious police will still keep their heads shoved up their asses.[/QUOTE] Its always easy to judge when you're on the outside, but when your life is affected daily it becomes habitual. We'll sit here and say that Saudi arabia is some barbaric country and thats ok because we can. Now try to get those inside of there to say it and they wind up being corpses.
i don't love you, saudi arabia
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