Israel is at it again - Israel intercepts supply ships
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Israeli authorities on Friday boarded two ships, including a Canadian vessel, that were trying to bring supplies to Gaza in defiance of a yearslong blockade.While there were no reports of injuries during the operation, the at-sea boarding raised the memory of a similar operation by Israeli forces last year against a Turkish vessel, which ended with the death of nine Turks.The Canadian vessel Tahrir and Ireland's Saoirse had departed Turkey on Wednesday."A short while ago, Israel navy soldiers boarded the vessels which were en route to the Gaza Strip, attempting to break the maritime security blockade that is in place in accordance with international law," the Israeli Defence Forces said in a statement Friday."The boarding was carried out following numerous calls to the activists on-board and during different points at sea. Following their unwillingness to co-operate, and after ignoring calls to divert to the port of Ashdod (Israel), the decision was made to board the vessels and lead them there."The account from Israeli officials was largely confirmed by Dylan Penner, an Ottawabased spokesperson for the group Canadian Boat to Gaza, which helped organize the expedition. However, the group contends that it was the Israelis, not the demonstrators, who were acting illegally."Our understanding is that the vessels have been boarded and they're being towed against their will to the Israeli port of Ashdod, despite having no intention of going anywhere near Israeli waters," he said. "The vessels were in international waters heading toward Gaza coastal waters and were illegally boarded and commandeered by the Israeli military."He said communication with those on the vessels was cut off around the time the boats were intercepted.Penner said it's his expectation that participants in this trip will be deported rather than held in custody by Israeli officials.Still, he said: "There's certainly a concern for the wellbeing of those aboard, given the cavalier disregard for human life that's been shown in the past by the Israeli government, and as well the total lack of interest whatsoever from the Canadian government to actually stand up for Canadian citizens."There are about 27 people on board the two vessels, including journalists and cameramen, according to the Freedom Waves activist group. Ehab Lotayef, of Montreal, and Ontario linguistics and French professor David Heap are among those on the vessels along with American, Australian and Irish citizens.The Canadian government has been vocal about its opposition to the activists' plan, calling the move "provocative" and "ultimately unhelpful to the people of Gaza."Officials have said participants in this expedition are breaking the laws of Israel and Egypt, and Canada cannot intervene if citizens are prosecuted for their actions.Penner said the boats were carrying medical supplies for Palestinians, but "it was primarily a mission to demand more freedom for the people of Gaza."Israelis called the demonstrators' actions an attempt "to create a provocation against the state of Israel, to break the maritime security blockade on Gaza and to undermine Israel's security."A United Nations report on Israel's interception of the 2010 Turkish ship said the blockade was a "legitimate security measure," adding that "its implementation complied with the requirements of international law."[/release]
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[QUOTE][IMG]http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/5661793.bin[/IMG]
Israeli authorities on Friday boarded two ships, including a Canadian vessel, that were trying to bring supplies to Gaza in defiance of a yearslong blockade.While there were no reports of injuries during the operation, the at-sea boarding raised the memory of a similar operation by Israeli forces last year against a Turkish vessel, which ended with the death of nine Turks.The Canadian vessel Tahrir and Ireland's Saoirse had departed Turkey on Wednesday."A short while ago, Israel navy soldiers boarded the vessels which were en route to the Gaza Strip, attempting to break the maritime security blockade that is in place in accordance with international law," the Israeli Defence Forces said in a statement Friday."The boarding was carried out following numerous calls to the activists on-board and during different points at sea. Following their unwillingness to co-operate, and after ignoring calls to divert to the port of Ashdod (Israel), the decision was made to board the vessels and lead them there."The account from Israeli officials was largely confirmed by Dylan Penner, an Ottawabased spokesperson for the group Canadian Boat to Gaza, which helped organize the expedition. However, the group contends that it was the Israelis, not the demonstrators, who were acting illegally."Our understanding is that the vessels have been boarded and they're being towed against their will to the Israeli port of Ashdod, despite having no intention of going anywhere near Israeli waters," he said. "The vessels were in international waters heading toward Gaza coastal waters and were illegally boarded and commandeered by the Israeli military."He said communication with those on the vessels was cut off around the time the boats were intercepted.Penner said it's his expectation that participants in this trip will be deported rather than held in custody by Israeli officials.Still, he said: "There's certainly a concern for the wellbeing of those aboard, given the cavalier disregard for human life that's been shown in the past by the Israeli government, and as well the total lack of interest whatsoever from the Canadian government to actually stand up for Canadian citizens."There are about 27 people on board the two vessels, including journalists and cameramen, according to the Freedom Waves activist group. Ehab Lotayef, of Montreal, and Ontario linguistics and French professor David Heap are among those on the vessels along with American, Australian and Irish citizens.The Canadian government has been vocal about its opposition to the activists' plan, calling the move "provocative" and "ultimately unhelpful to the people of Gaza."Officials have said participants in this expedition are breaking the laws of Israel and Egypt, and Canada cannot intervene if citizens are prosecuted for their actions.Penner said the boats were carrying medical supplies for Palestinians, but "it was primarily a mission to demand more freedom for the people of Gaza."Israelis called the demonstrators' actions an attempt "to create a provocation against the state of Israel, to break the maritime security blockade on Gaza and to undermine Israel's security."A United Nations report on Israel's interception of the 2010 Turkish ship said the blockade was a "legitimate security measure," adding that "its implementation complied with the requirements of international law."[/QUOTE]
Oh come the fuck on.
Atleast they weren't stupid enough to open fire again.
Is it just me, or is the article really trying to be pro-Israel? It's continually trying to justify itself, and to point out that the activists are acting against 2 countries laws.
[QUOTE=Terminutter;33132917]Is it just me, or is the article really trying to be pro-Israel? It's continually trying to justify itself, and to point out that the activists are acting against 2 countries laws.[/QUOTE]
Not really, it reads pretty fairly compared to most media. I'd say it was 'diplomatic'.
Edit: Starpluck disagreed, and I have to agree with him. I was merely comparing it to the ilk of Fox News, but I missed the part where the article states the blockade is legal, which it is not. My bad.
So boarding ships that claim to be "friendly" and "bring supplies" is outrageous for Israel to do because no ships ever in the history of mankind brought anything BUT supplies?
It's Israel's privilege to board ships in order to stop terror supplies coming in to Gaza.
Media is not on our side and I can sure as hell tell you that on the HHH ship Israel sustained very heavy injuries due to the soldiers going in with paintball guns.
Seriously fuck you, since when does the media represent objectively on anything? It's a game of rating and what's more outrageous to be shown on T.V.
Which explains why such things have been barred at one point in the duration of the blockade, or are still barred.
- A4 paper
- Crayons
- Stationary
- 3900 types of medical supplies
- cement, glass, lumber, asphalt, steel and various other construction equipment (heavily restricted)
- Chocolate, dry food and ginger were banned at one point
- Fishing supplies (ropes and the like)
- Hearing aid batteries and wheelchairs have been barred.
Sure seems like that those are "terror supplies". I can have a fucking amazing terror party with some wheelchairs, a crayon or two, some medicine and chocolate. Hmm?
[QUOTE=Seith;33133070]So boarding ships that claim to be "friendly" and "bring supplies" is outrageous for Israel to do because no ships ever in the history of mankind brought anything BUT supplies?
It's Israel's privilege to board ships in order to stop terror supplies coming in to Gaza.
Media is not on our side and I can sure as hell tell you that on the HHH ship Israel sustained very heavy injuries due to the soldiers going in with paintball guns.
Seriously fuck you, since when does the media represent objectively on anything? It's a game of rating and what's more outrageous to be shown on T.V.[/QUOTE]
I like how you're closer to the actual incident yet have no idea what the fuck you're talking about.
Just struck me, the A4 paper, stationary and the like are necessary for education.
This is basically the deprivation of the right to education of anyone who has a school in the blockaded area.
[Quote=Universal Declaration of Human Rights]Article 26.
(1) Everyone has the right to education. Education shall be free, at least in the elementary and fundamental stages. Elementary education shall be compulsory. Technical and professional education shall be made generally available and higher education shall be equally accessible to all on the basis of merit.
(2) Education shall be directed to the full development of the human personality and to the strengthening of respect for human rights and fundamental freedoms. It shall promote understanding, tolerance and friendship among all nations, racial or religious groups, and shall further the activities of the United Nations for the maintenance of peace.[/quote]
Denying supplies critical for education denies education itself.
Israel has said a couple of times that bringing ade through sea is off the limit. The blockade may not be right, so this is the main thing to be talking about, not Israel doing what they said many times before
This is a legal blockade recognised by the UN. There's no need for either ships' Governments (Canadian and Irish) to intervene, as those ships entered a UN-recognised blockade.
These flotillas are just publicity stunts, and to be honest, stunts like this really detract from the cause that they are trying to support. The money that was used in these voyages could've been used to actually send supplies to Gaza on land (which is the easiest way).
[QUOTE=RichyZ;33133418]just because its legal doesn't mean its right[/QUOTE]
"Right" in this case means very different things to different nations and groups. The UN was set up so that nations could have a united front on certain issues, and this is their stance on this. I'm not saying either side is right. If everybody just obeyed laws that they thought were "right", then there would be no point of laws in the first place. I know this isn't exactly the same thing, but it's similar.
Also, Egypt has a very similar blockade on their border with Gaza, and nobody cares about that. Just food for thought.
[QUOTE=Seith;33133070]So boarding ships that claim to be "friendly" and "bring supplies" is outrageous for Israel to do because no ships ever in the history of mankind brought anything BUT supplies?
It's Israel's privilege to board ships in order to stop terror supplies coming in to Gaza.
Media is not on our side and I can sure as hell tell you that on the HHH ship Israel sustained very heavy injuries due to the soldiers going in with paintball guns.
Seriously fuck you, since when does the media represent objectively on anything? It's a game of rating and what's more outrageous to be shown on T.V.[/QUOTE]
You should know by know that Facepunch is anti-semitic and hates Israel.
If it's any solace I stand by your country.
[editline]5th November 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Marbalo;33133478]Israel supplies enough resources to the sector.
Aid ships are not needed and are pretty suspicious, not to mention can be easily used to conceal weaponry trafficking to terrorist groups such as Hamas which would result in more palestinian and israeli death, and nobody needs more of that.[/QUOTE]
This.
[QUOTE=CodeMonkey3;33133508]You should know by know that Facepunch is anti-semitic and hates Israel.
If it's any solace I stand by your country.[/QUOTE]
So disagreeing with foreign policies of a country that's opressing others translates to irrational hatred of the people who live in it due to their religion?
Who'd have known!
I guess I'm also racist against all North Koreans due to my lack of support for Kim Jong-Il's foreign policy.
[QUOTE=Terminutter;33133554]So disagreeing with foreign policies of a country that's opressing others translates to irrational hatred of the people who live in it due to their religion?
Who'd have known!
I guess I'm also racist against all North Koreans due to my lack of support for Kim Jong-Il's foreign policy.[/QUOTE]
Ordinarily I'd agree with you. But considering that I don't think I've ever seen an Israel thread on Facepunch that wasn't anit-Israel and wasn't filled with blind hatred of Israel and it's citizens I can't.
Hell, I remember the first time they intercepted one of these ships. All they did was fast rope onto it from a helicopter to inspect the cargo and the crew immediately began to beat and attack them with bars and tools and pipes, even caught on video and everything and Facepunch still thought Israel was in the wrong even though the Commandos had excellent trigger discipline and nothing was done wrong. I mean, since when does a country not have a right to inspect a ship about to enter it's territorial waters if they have probable cause?
Fuck you Israel, fucking fuck you. Just let them deliver some help to the people you like to murder and oppress the fuck out.
[QUOTE=smeismastger;33133736]Fuck you Israel, fucking fuck you. Just let them deliver some help to the people you like to murder and oppress the fuck out.[/QUOTE]
Case and point. Just blind anger, rage and hatred toward an entire country of people.
Purely because someone on the military ladder issued an order to search an 'aid' ship that was not responding to radio and acting suspiciously. The boarding action which ended without incident.
[QUOTE=CodeMonkey3;33133751]Case and point. Just blind anger, rage and hatred toward an entire country of people.
Purely because someone on the military ladder issued an order to search an 'aid' ship that was not responding to radio and acting suspiciously. The boarding action which ended without incident.[/QUOTE]
Except it isn't the people of the Israel we get mad at, it's the Israeli government - two entirely different things.The Israeli Government and the Palestian Government have both worked hard to turn the entire area into a hell hole and a massive diplomatic crisis, and the actions of both have both resulted in the deaths of civilians.
[QUOTE=Ignhelper;33132834][release]"A United Nations report on Israel's interception of the 2010 Turkish ship said the blockade was a "legitimate security measure," adding that "its implementation complied with the requirements of international law."[/release][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=http://www.un.org/News/dh/infocus/middle_east/Gaza_Flotilla_Panel_Report.pdf]
151. The Panel underlines the reaffirmation by the Quartet on 21 June 2010, shortly
after the flotilla incident, that the situation in Gaza, including [B]the humanitarian and
human rights situation of the civilian population, was unsustainable, unacceptable and not
in the interests of any of those concerned.[/B] That appears also to be a widespread view in
the international community. It is clear that [B]the restrictions Israel has placed on goods
and persons entering and leaving Gaza via the land crossings continue to be a significant
cause of that situation.[/B]475 In his statement of 1 June 2010 consecutive to the flotilla
incident,476 the President of the Security Council stated that the Council reiterated its
grave concern at the humanitarian situation in Gaza and stressed the need for sustained
and regular flow of goods and people to Gaza as well as unimpeded provision and
distribution of humanitarian assistance throughout Gaza. At a briefing immediately after
the 31 May 2010 incident, a senior United Nations official noted that [B]the loss of life
could have been avoided if Israel had responded to repeated calls to end its closure of
Gaza.[/B]477[/QUOTE]
It is dubious to take the support granted by the article of the UN on Israeli actions, it is clear from this small section of the Palmer Report that the UN was hardly endorsing the blockade and is calling for much less border restrictions.
[QUOTE=CodeMonkey3;33133616]Ordinarily I'd agree with you. But considering that I don't think I've ever seen an Israel thread on Facepunch that wasn't anit-Israel and wasn't filled with blind hatred of Israel and it's citizens I can't.
Hell, I remember the first time they intercepted one of these ships. All they did was fast rope onto it from a helicopter to inspect the cargo and the crew immediately began to beat and attack them with bars and tools and pipes, even caught on video and everything and Facepunch still thought Israel was in the wrong even though the Commandos had excellent trigger discipline and nothing was done wrong. I mean, since when does a country not have a right to inspect a ship about to enter it's territorial waters if they have probable cause?[/QUOTE]
you're forgetting they also came by boats in which the video recorded shots being fired before they boarded
pretty sure when you go against a country with a reputation for being dicks and hearing shots, you might want to defend yourself.
[QUOTE=lolwutdude;33133853]you're forgetting they also came by boats in which the video recorded shots being fired before they boarded
pretty sure when you go against a country with a reputation for being dicks and hearing shots, you might want to defend yourself.[/QUOTE]
Sadly there were also videos showing them all saying they wanted to be martyrs and getting ready to fight the Israeli's before those boats appeared.
As much as I hate to say it, I hope one of those aid ships comes armed with a AAA gun on the front of it.
[QUOTE=Thom12255;33133878]Sadly there were also videos showing them all saying they wanted to be martyrs and getting ready to fight the Israeli's before those boats appeared.[/QUOTE]
sadly, that doesn't matter since israel fired first, actions are worser than words
[QUOTE=Terminutter;33133248]Which explains why such things have been barred at one point in the duration of the blockade, or are still barred.
- A4 paper
- Crayons
- Stationary
- 3900 types of medical supplies
- cement, glass, lumber, asphalt, steel and various other construction equipment (heavily restricted)
- Chocolate, dry food and ginger were banned at one point
- Fishing supplies (ropes and the like)
- Hearing aid batteries and wheelchairs have been barred.
Sure seems like that those are "terror supplies". I can have a fucking amazing terror party with some wheelchairs, a crayon or two, some medicine and chocolate. Hmm?[/QUOTE]
Hamas could had made a bomb using chocolate as shrapnel!
[QUOTE=Ignhelper;33133941]Hamas could had made a bomb using chocolate as shrapnel![/QUOTE]
Dont forget a blunderbuss full of crayons! Those things are pointy you know!
[QUOTE=Marbalo;33133478]Israel supplies enough resources to the sector.[/QUOTE]
[URL="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/05/israel-gaza-collapse-wikileaks_n_804583.html"]Didn't they say they were intentially starving Gaza of resources a while back?[/URL]
[QUOTE=Marbalo;33133478]Israel supplies enough resources to the sector.
Aid ships are not needed and are pretty suspicious, not to mention can be easily used to conceal weaponry trafficking to terrorist groups such as Hamas which would result in more palestinian and israeli death, and nobody needs more of that.[/QUOTE]
No they do not, not to mention every time Palestine accomplishes something in the international community Israel thins up those supplies and funding.
article formatted like that is atrocious on sgs2 resolution and browser
tbh i generally don't like this fancy formats at all
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;33134019]article formatted like that is atrocious on sgs2 resolution and browser
tbh i generally don't like this fancy formats at all[/QUOTE]
It's literally just a bloody release tag, are you insane
[editline]6th November 2011[/editline]
Also, my Internet's completely fucked today, so if that previous link didn't work I found one that definitely does and is probably more reputable anyway.
[url]http://www.pbs.org/wnet/need-to-know/the-daily-need/wikileaks-cable-reveals-new-details-of-gaza-embargo/6163/[/url]
Could you please explain how this is "enough", marbalo.
It's good that they defend themselves, who knows what might be shipped in.
[QUOTE=lolwutdude;33133916]sadly, that doesn't matter since israel fired first, actions are worser than words[/QUOTE]
When you try to take over a ship armed with metal poles and other sharp and blunt objects you need to take action.
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