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[quote][b]Pandemonium! Dems Jam Republicans With Even More Conservative Budget[/b]
Brian Beutler | April 15, 2011, 12:29PM
What was supposed to be a routine vote in the House -- to knock down an amendment authored by conservative Republicans -- turned into pandemonium on the House floor Friday, as Democrats tried to jam the plan through, and hang it around the GOP's necks.
The vote was on the Republican Study Committee's alternative budget -- a radical plan that annihilates the social contract in America by putting the GOP budget on steroids. Deeper tax cuts for the wealthy, more severe entitlement rollbacks.
Normally something like that would fail by a large bipartisan margin in either the House or the Senate. Conservative Republicans would vote for it, but it would be defeated by a coalition of Democrats and more moderate Republicans. But today that formula didn't hold. In an attempt to highlight deep divides in the Republican caucus. Dems switched their votes -- from "no" to "present."
Panic ensued. In the House, legislation passes by a simple majority of members voting. The Dems took themselves out of the equation, leaving Republicans to decide whether the House should adopt the more-conservative RSC budget instead of the one authored by Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan. As Dems flipped to present, Republicans realized that a majority of their members had indeed gone on the record in support of the RSC plan -- and if the vote closed, it would pass. That would be a slap in the face to Ryan, and a politically toxic outcome for the Republican party.
So they started flipping their votes from "yes" to "no."
In the end, the plan went down by a small margin, 119-136. A full 172 Democrats voted "present."
Moments after it failed, RSC Chairman Jim Jordan took to Facebook.
"Our Republican Study Committee (RSC) balanced budget came within 18 votes of passing on the House Floor today," he wrote. "I am disappointed we did not win, but this is the closest we have ever been to passing our balanced budget. I am motivated to keep fighting to balance the budget and begin paying down our national debt."[/quote]
Here's the TL;DR
[quote="PumaOPumaOPumaO on Youtube"]It was a radical GOP amendment that just gave out more tax cuts for the rich and slashed benefits.
It wasn't suppose to pass, but tons of Republicans voted 'yes' to show their conservative credentials.
Democrats then all played a trick by switching their no votes to present, giving the majority to* the 'yes' side. But the bill wasn't suppose to pass so tons of Republicans who voted yes switched to no to defeat it, essentially meaning Reps defeated their own conservative bill.[/quote]
Problem, Republicans?
Oh dems, you so silly.
Seriously though, fuck those republicans. Bunch of apes if I ever saw them.
[quote]I am motivated to keep fighting to balance the budget and begin paying down our national debt.[/quote]
And their idea of doing so is making the wealthy pay LESS tax?
My god, this guy's retarded.
This type of "put blame on the other party" bullshit is retarded. To get somewhere, you actually have to cooperate. Republicans may not be helping but the Dems certainly aren't either.
How... Cunning.
So...what, exactly?
Even the conservatives didn't actually want this bill to pass. They did it for political reasons.
The liberals plan was to...highlight that politics are stupid?
[QUOTE=dogmachines;29203849]This type of "put blame on the other party" bullshit is retarded. To get somewhere, you actually have to cooperate. Republicans may not be helping but the Dems certainly aren't either.[/QUOTE]
They are calling them out on their bullshit.
[QUOTE=Regulas021;29203876]So...what, exactly?
Even the conservatives didn't actually want this bill to pass. They did it for political reasons.
The liberals plan was to...highlight that politics are stupid?[/QUOTE]
Perhaps to highlight that republicans are a bunch of silly cunts who'll support shit they don't actually stand for.
[QUOTE=Regulas021;29203876]So...what, exactly?
Even the conservatives didn't actually want this bill to pass. They did it for political reasons.
The liberals plan was to...highlight that politics are stupid?[/QUOTE]
It was their plan to show that the republicans are wasting their time trying to seem more conservative instead of actually doing their job
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[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;29203949]Perhaps to highlight that republicans are a bunch of silly cunts who'll support shit they don't actually stand for.[/QUOTE]
That as well
[QUOTE=Zeke129;29204063]It was their plan to show that the republicans are wasting their time trying to seem more conservative instead of actually doing their job
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That as well[/QUOTE]
I see
That seems like a hypocritical move to me, considering how much time they waste, like, every day, but I wouldn't be surprised if the conservatives were the driving force behind that.
So, how is that new new Congress doing?
To shreds you say
[QUOTE=Regulas021;29204103]I see
That seems like a hypocritical move to me, considering how much time they waste, like, every day, but I wouldn't be surprised if the conservatives were the driving force behind that.[/QUOTE]
One could almost say that the conservatives's sole purpose at the moment is to hinder the dems and do dumb shit.
In other news, water's wet.
[QUOTE=Regulas021;29204103]I see
That seems like a hypocritical move to me, considering how much time they waste, like, every day, but I wouldn't be surprised if the conservatives were the driving force behind that.[/QUOTE]
It wasn't hypocritical at all, the democrats already had to be there to vote. It took no more time to vote present instead of no.
[QUOTE=smurfy;29204125]So, how is that new new Congress doing?
To shreds you say[/QUOTE]
And the country?
To shreds you say
Good on the Dems, maybe now people will see how backwards the Conservatives' proposals are.
It sucks, but the country cannot afford all the entitlements it is offering right now...you can't keeping handing the guy on the freeway offramp money while you can't pay your mortgage...
[QUOTE=Ridge;29204320]It sucks, but the country cannot afford all the entitlements it is offering right now...you can't keeping handing the guy on the freeway offramp money while you can't pay your mortgage...[/QUOTE]
Pretty sure we could if we cut frivolous parts of our budget, like a large amount of the defense budget and pretty much all of the DEA's. Maybe we should end the freedom-hating money pit that is the War on Drugs before we talk about reducing Medicare and whatnot.
We should set the tax rate for the rich to 0%, so they can trickle on us or something.
[QUOTE=dogmachines;29203849]This type of "put blame on the other party" bullshit is retarded. To get somewhere, you actually have to cooperate. Republicans may not be helping but the Dems certainly aren't either.[/QUOTE]
In general, democrats are usually the ones who have to cooperate and end up compromising, so I think it's fair to blame the republicans more.
[QUOTE=Ridge;29204320]It sucks, but the country cannot afford all the entitlements it is offering right now...you can't keeping handing the guy on the freeway offramp money while you can't pay your mortgage...[/QUOTE]
True, but the same argument goes for the wealthy and taxes. We can't keep affording to give them huge tax breaks. I personally feel as if it'd be much better if we increased taxes on the rich and kept entitlement programs. That way, the rich don't get away with paying little amounts out of their fortunes, and the people that actually need help don't get shafted.
That is actually really funny.
[QUOTE=Edthefirst;29204562]True, but the same argument goes for the wealthy and taxes. We can't keep affording to give them huge tax breaks. I personally feel as if it'd be much better if we increased taxes on the rich and kept entitlement programs. That way, the rich don't get away with paying little amounts out of their fortunes, and the people that actually need help don't get shafted.[/QUOTE]
Just to be clear here, what exactly falls under 'entitlement programs'?
so uh
how much am i paying these idiots again?
[QUOTE=thisispain;29205830]so uh
how much am i paying these idiots again?[/QUOTE]
You alone?
probably a fraction of a cent
nah that's too much
[QUOTE=thisispain;29206185]nah that's too much[/QUOTE]
I'll put some pennies off to the side for you (canadian pennies, they're worth more)
come get them whenever
that would be delightful, thank you
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could i have some extra pennies for the gasoline, i'm afraid the bank is quite far away
no
well i'm afraid you'll have to send me a moneygram
Wow, this level of political cunning is rarely observed with the democrats.
I am greatly amused.
[QUOTE=GunFox;29206609]Wow, this level of political cunning is rarely observed with the democrats.
I am greatly amused.[/QUOTE]
yes it's as cunning as a fox who's just been appointed Professor of Cunning at Oxford University.
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