Ukraine rebels dig in as peace deal falters, Biden heads for Kiev - Polidicks

[IMG]http://a.pomf.se/drqcgb.jpe[/IMG] [QUOTE] An agreement reached last week to avert wider conflict in Ukraine was faltering as the new week began, with pro-Moscow separatist gunmen showing no sign of surrendering government buildings they have seized. Washington says it will hold Moscow responsible and impose new economic sanctions if the separatists do not clear out of government buildings they have occupied across swathes of eastern Ukraine over the past two weeks. U.S. Vice-President Joe Biden was due in Kiev later on Monday. [/QUOTE] This whole situation is fucked Source: [URL]http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/ukraine-crudely-violating-geneva-deal-russias-foreign-minister-says/article18074952/[/URL]

[QUOTE]Washington says it will hold Moscow responsible and impose new economic sanctions if the separatists do not clear out of government buildings[/QUOTE] It sounds like Washington is very convinced of the fact that the separatists communicate with Moscow, or else they wouldn't hold Moscow responsible. Perhaps they have some evidence not available to the public?

They kinda shot themselves in the foot by not allowing the representatives of the regional governments (the seperatists) to take part in the peace negotiations.

[QUOTE=mac338;44604158]It sounds like Washington is very convinced of the fact that the separatists communicate with Moscow, or else they wouldn't hold Moscow responsible. Perhaps they have some evidence not available to the public?[/QUOTE] Read the article. [quote]New photos and eyewitness accounts suggest many of the professional gunmen behind the seizure of government buildings in eastern Ukraine – the so-called green men – are Russian military and intelligence forces, the New York Times reported Sunday. Citing evidence endorsed by the Obama administration, the report quoted Jen Psaki, a spokeswoman for the U.S. State Department, as saying: “There has been broad unity in the international community about the connection between Russia and some of the armed militants in eastern Ukraine, and the photos presented by the Ukrainians last week only further confirm this, which is why U.S. officials have continued to make that case.” The report said Ukraine’s state security service has identified one of the reported green men as being a Russian military-intelligence operative, Igor Ivanovich Strelkov.[/quote]

[QUOTE=Wonderland;44604176]Read the article.[/QUOTE] Oh man, oh man.

So they're basically repeating Crimea over entire eastern Ukraine. Can't say I'm too surprised.

[QUOTE=mac338;44604194]Oh man, oh man.[/QUOTE] Yeah it's pretty scary. Also quite nefarious, but I wouldn't expect any less from Russia haha. The scary part is that they [i]are[/i] attempting division across cold war lines, which has been the concern since the start of this conflict. It's because of ethnic Ukrainians being systematically replaced with ethnic Russians during the cold war, so much of eastern Ukraine holds at the very least sympathies toward Russia. And Russia is doing all they can to take advantage of this, hence the US threatening economic sanctions. In my humble, uneducated opinion, however, economic sanctions aren't going to scare Russia very much. Especially when they have so much to gain and the perfect global political climate in which to do it.

At least this article calls them gunmen instead of protesters.

[QUOTE=FurrehFaux;44604128] This whole situation is fucked [/QUOTE] Agreed. A lot of people are going to die once Biden gets started with his train stories.

[QUOTE=mac338;44604194]Oh man, oh man.[/QUOTE] I remember seeing a VICE video, one of the Ukraine dispatches, where they had a guy identifying himself as a russian officer speaking to fighter. Going to see if i can find the video [editline]21st April 2014[/editline] [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTdkY8tl2b0](Actually, lets make it a link instead since thumbnail is a guy with a beat up face)[/url] 6:50 or so and onward, but i'd recommend the whole video for context

[QUOTE=BreenIsALie;44607668]I remember seeing a VICE video, one of the Ukraine dispatches, where they had a guy identifying himself as a russian officer speaking to fighter. Going to see if i can find the video [editline]21st April 2014[/editline] [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTdkY8tl2b0](Actually, lets make it a link instead since thumbnail is a guy with a beat up face)[/url] 6:50 or so and onward, but i'd recommend the whole video for context[/QUOTE] Anybody can identify themselves as a "Russian officer". How about they prove it? Probably just self proclaimed Russian military.