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[QUOTE=Drinks business]All of the country’s biggest beer and mineral water brands tested were found to contain microscopic plastic fibres, according to a report by The Local, research released on Tuesday and commissioned by consumer rights magazine programme Markt has revealed.
Pilsner was the worst affected beer with an average of 78.8 particles per litre, followed by Munich’s Paulaner wheat beer at 70 and Warsteiner Pils at 47, while mineral water was found to be less affected.
Microplastics are small particles found in the environment which have become of particular concern to the marine environment polluting lakes and oceans.
Plastic particles can be found not only in food and drink but in the air, according to Professor Gerd Liebezeit, the study’s lead researcher.
No danger to human health has as yet been identified with the particles, however Professor Stephan Pflugmacher, an ecological toxicologist from the Institute for Ecology at Berlin’s Technical University, told Markt, “micro-plastic will sooner or later represent a danger to us.”[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=popsci]Beer lovers: there may be more to your brew than dazzling citrus overtones or a subtle chocolatey aroma.
The authors of a new study went to a local supermarket in Germany and picked up 24 brands of beer, including the 10 most popular in the country. In the lab, they found plastic particles and other debris in everything they tested. The study was part of a larger investigation of plastic microfibres that are turning up all over the natural world as larger plastics break down. (In June, Illinois became the first state to ban plastic beads in cosmetics, which are thought to be one source of the pollution.)
How the plastic ended up in beer is an open question. The paper notes than some of the brands claim to use only spring water in their products, and sand particles often found around springs also showed up under the microscope. Malfunctioning equipment, unclean bottles, and even contaminated barley and hops are all possible sources. Beer may be filtered with activated charcoal, asbestos, wood chippings and other materials that could carry plastics.
The study only gets more shudder-worthy when it turns to the other debris they found.
"Workers in breweries lose, as any other people, the outer part of their epidermis," they write.
Scales of exfoliated skin were found in both small and larger chunks, along with bits of glass and even an "almost complete" dead insect.[/QUOTE]
what about microparticles in soda?
So if you burn/boil beer, will it turn black :v:
[QUOTE=Tetsmega;45911968]So if you burn/boil beer, will it turn black :v:[/QUOTE]
pretty much everything will
almost everything you drink has preservatives, flavoring, and coloring added into it. When you boil away the water, the stuff that's left gets burnt and turns black.
Humans and their plastic waste..
Plastic rocks..
[URL]http://io9.com/plastic-rocks-are-starting-to-appear-on-hawaiian-shores-1587116340[/URL]
A patch of garbage/plastic in the Pacific ocean that's twice the size of France
[URL]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/environment/5208645/Drowning-in-plastic-The-Great-Pacific-Garbage-Patch-is-twice-the-size-of-France.html[/URL]
"There are now 46,000 pieces of plastic per square kilometre of the world's oceans, killing a million seabirds and 100,000 marine mammals each year."
[url]http://www.flyintheface.com/suffolksand.html[/url]
"Often thought of as ‘disposable’, plastic is actually nearly impossible to dispose of, taking between 500 and 1000 years to break down in seawater and then forming microscopic toxic particles which continue to contaminate our seas, our beaches, our wildlife - and maybe even the food on our plate."
We really ought to stop being such messy, inconsiderate assholes.
This is an interesting way to combat the problem:
[url]http://www.ted.com/conversations/22440/hot_molten_plastic_and_sand_mi.html[/url]
What kind of fucking brewery filters beer with Asbestos?
[quote] Beer may be filtered with activated charcoal, asbestos, wood chippings and other materials that could carry plastics.[/quote]
Fucking seriously? Personally I enjoy the hobby of home brewing so this doesn't really effect me too much, still though, what the fuck man. Wood chippings isn't really too concerning because that could simply be them oaking their beers.
This might be enough to actually make me stop drinking.
Maybe.
[QUOTE=draugur;45911989]What kind of fucking brewery filters beer with Asbestos?
Fucking seriously? Personally I enjoy the hobby of home brewing so this doesn't really effect me too much, still though, what the fuck man. Wood chippings isn't really too concerning because that could simply be them oaking their beers.[/QUOTE]
sFrom what I can gather, asbestos filters sort of went by the wayside in the 1970s. None of the major breweries use it anymore, because it's a supply chain nightmare. Asbestos is incredibly difficult to buy these days, since any demand has basically been destroyed. (They do still use it to make glass, though, since it is silica-based. In fact, it's the main method of recycling it.)
[QUOTE=draugur;45911989]What kind of fucking brewery filters beer with Asbestos?
Fucking seriously? Personally I enjoy the hobby of home brewing so this doesn't really effect me too much, still though, what the fuck man. Wood chippings isn't really too concerning because that could simply be them oaking their beers.[/QUOTE]
IIRC, Asbestos is actually harmless when it's submerged in water or w/e. It's when you cut it or does something that turns it into dust and you inhale it that it will harm your lungs.
It adds to the flavor.
Just because it is there doesn't mean it is harmful. Depends on the concentration. Which both articles fail to mention.
We've been able to turn beer into plastic for a while now.[url=http://pubs.rsc.org/en/content/articlehtml/2013/py/c3py01075a]Its a thing[/url].
[QUOTE=ferrus;45911987]Humans and their plastic waste..
Plastic rocks..
[URL]http://io9.com/plastic-rocks-are-starting-to-appear-on-hawaiian-shores-1587116340[/URL]
A patch of garbage/plastic in the Pacific ocean that's twice the size of France
[URL]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/environment/5208645/Drowning-in-plastic-The-Great-Pacific-Garbage-Patch-is-twice-the-size-of-France.html[/URL]
"There are now 46,000 pieces of plastic per square kilometre of the world's oceans, killing a million seabirds and 100,000 marine mammals each year."
[url]http://www.flyintheface.com/suffolksand.html[/url]
"Often thought of as ‘disposable’, plastic is actually nearly impossible to dispose of, taking between 500 and 1000 years to break down in seawater and then forming microscopic toxic particles which continue to contaminate our seas, our beaches, our wildlife - and maybe even the food on our plate."
We really ought to stop being such messy, inconsiderate assholes.
This is an interesting way to combat the problem:
[url]http://www.ted.com/conversations/22440/hot_molten_plastic_and_sand_mi.html[/url][/QUOTE]Man we really fucked up when we invented plastic didn't we, for all the good things that have come from it there seems to be a lot more bad than there is good.
Suddenly craving a beer..
[QUOTE=woolio1;45912060]sFrom what I can gather, asbestos filters sort of went by the wayside in the 1970s. None of the major breweries use it anymore, because it's a supply chain nightmare. Asbestos is incredibly difficult to buy these days, since any demand has basically been destroyed. (They do still use it to make glass, though, since it is silica-based. In fact, it's the main method of recycling it.)[/QUOTE]
its only use is in niche spots where its just too damn good to get rid of, like those gloves they give to machine gunners and use to handle all sorts of other hot stuffs, pretty much the only use for it
[QUOTE=Killer900;45912242]Man we really fucked up when we invented plastic didn't we, for all the good things that have come from it there seems to be a lot more bad than there is good.[/QUOTE]
And to think it was discovered by complete accident, along with nylon and various other polymers.
[QUOTE=Killer900;45912242]Man we really fucked up when we invented plastic didn't we, for all the good things that have come from it there seems to be a lot more bad than there is good.[/QUOTE]
You say that, but plastic products have done a lot more good than harm. Heck, just look around you, at everything, we wouldn't be near where we are today without plastic.
Granted, its disposability is ultimately what makes it terrible. It's too cheap, so we don't care about what happens to it.
[QUOTE=woolio1;45912591]You say that, but plastic products have done a lot more good than harm. Heck, just look around you, at everything, we wouldn't be near where we are today without plastic.
Granted, its disposability is ultimately what makes it terrible. It's too cheap, so we don't care about what happens to it.[/QUOTE]
The funniest part I think is that in order to make that post, he made so much use of plastic it's not even funny......
[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;45912743]The funniest part I think is that in order to make that post, he made so much use of plastic it's not even funny......[/QUOTE]
The plastic in computers isn't the kind that's very likely to end up in the water though. Most responsible people recycle electronics. The plastic should get sent off for recycling when the rest of the PC does.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;45912785]The plastic in computers isn't the kind that's very likely to end up in the water though. Most responsible people recycle electronics. The plastic should get sent off for recycling when the rest of the PC does.[/QUOTE]
I got some bad new for ya buddy, electronics "recycling" often means sending it offshore to Chinese waste villages...
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[QUOTE=Zeke129;45912785]The plastic in computers isn't the kind that's very likely to end up in the water though. Most responsible people recycle electronics. The plastic should get sent off for recycling when the rest of the PC does.[/QUOTE]
I know, but he says that we fucked up when we invented plastic, while using plastic. It's just the irony that I find funny.
[QUOTE=amos106;45912852]I got some bad new for ya buddy, electronics "recycling" often means sending it offshore to Chinese waste villages...
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Pretty lame. Someone needs to find a real use for unwanted electronics like these.
[QUOTE=seano12;45912911]Pretty lame. Someone needs to find a real use for unwanted electronics like these.[/QUOTE]
Often they are broken or obsolete, its a lot easier and cheaper to send them offshore than to actually find a new home for them
[QUOTE=thrawn2787;45912118]Just because it is there doesn't mean it is harmful. Depends on the concentration. Which both articles fail to mention.[/QUOTE]
[quote=PopSci]The study concludes that none of the samples contained enough plastic or other materials to present a danger to the public. The important takeaway, the authors write, is that if these tiny plastic bits are making it into beer, they have penetrated the human environment.[/quote]
This is what you're looking for right?
It's a feature.
[QUOTE=thrawn2787;45912118]Just because it is there doesn't mean it is harmful. Depends on the concentration. Which both articles fail to mention.[/QUOTE]
Both articles actually [i]do[/i] mention that it's unclear whether or not it's harmful. There hasn't actually been enough study about the effects of concentrated plastics in the human body over a long period of time and they mention that.
What concerns me more
[quote]Other filth Non-synthetic particles in beer: (A) insect remain, order Thysanoptera; and (B) glass shard. Scale = 3.1 mm. [/quote]
[editline]7th September 2014[/editline]
Here is the original source
[url]http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/19440049.2014.945099#.VAxQAPl_vQg[/url]
[QUOTE=Thomo_UK;45912095]It adds to the flavor.[/QUOTE]
Sooner or later "We want our fucking plastic back in our beer!"
[QUOTE=Schmaaa;45911982]pretty much everything will
almost everything you drink has preservatives, flavoring, and coloring added into it. When you boil away the water, the stuff that's left gets burnt and turns black.[/QUOTE]
Not to mention there's sugars in there which will caramelise.
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