• Scotland Yard Report Finds British Citizen Was Tortured in Secret CIA Site
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[release] [IMG]http://cdn.theatlantic.com/static/mt/assets/international/Bonner%20Jan12%20P.jpg[/IMG] Former Guantanamo Bay detainee Binyam Mohamed leaving Portcullis House in London / Reuters The British government admitted today that a terrorist suspect whose case has drawn international attention was interrogated by U.S. officials and tortured during the two years he was held in Morocco. The findings, resulting from an investigation by England's highest criminal prosecution agency, contradict the obfuscation, stonewalling, and denials by American officials about the case of the suspect, Binyam Mohamed. At one point, the Obama Administration threatened to cut off intelligence sharing with the UK if a British court ordered the release of classified documents in the case. Mohamed was picked up in Pakistan in 2002, and U.S. officials alleged that he had undergone training at al-Qaeda camps in Afghanistan and was preparing to detonate a "dirty bomb" in the United States. After 18 months of interrogation in Pakistan, the CIA secretly transported him to Morocco as part of the Bush Administration's "extraordinary rendition program," according to Mohamed's lawyers, a claim that appears to be corroborated by the flight records of the CIA-chartered planes. He was later taken to Guantanamo. The CIA has never admitted that Mohamed, an Ethiopian-born British citizen, was ever held in Morocco, and has routinely denied all allegations of torture. An American military lawyer who represented Mohamed has said that the torture he endured makes waterboarding "look like child's play." While being interrogated, Mohamed was hanged from a wall with his feet unable to reach the floor, according to his lawyer, Clive Stafford Smith, director of Reprieve, a London-based human rights non-profit. Then, naked women were paraded before him. On more than one occasion, Mohamed says, men in black masks and military trousers made cuts on his chest and genitals with a razor. At one point, a woman in the group who spoke with an American accent arrived. She took pictures of his wounds, Mohamed told his lawyer. In a legal action brought by Mohamed's lawyers while he was still in Guantanamo, a British court said two years ago that documents supported Mohamed's allegations -- but they were classified. Both the British and American governments objected to their release. Today's [URL="http://www.cps.gov.uk/news/press_statements/joint_statement_by_the_director_of_public_prosecutions_and_the_metropolitan_police_service/"]statement[/URL], by the Crown Prosecution Service and the Metropolitan Police (Scotland Yard), goes further than any previous official statement in acknowledging the truth of the allegations. "Mohamed was held in Morocco for at least some time between July 2002 and early 2004," the agencies said in their joint statement. During that time, British intelligence agents "provided information to the US authorities about Mohamed and supplied questions for the US authorities to put to Mohamed while he was being detained." The agencies concluded, however, that there was "insufficient evidence" to bring criminal charges against any British intelligence officer. After nearly seven harrowing years in American custody, Mohamed was released, without any charges being filed against him, in February 2009. He has returned to Britain, married, and provides updates on his Facebook page. [/release] [URL]http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/01/scotland-yard-report-finds-british-citizen-was-tortured-in-secret-cia-site/251306/[/URL] Poor man....
This had better be taken to the ICC for human rights abuses.
But at least they stopped a terrorist attack, that's what matter right guys?!
[QUOTE=Terminutter;34260684]This had better be taken to the ICC for human rights abuses.[/QUOTE] International Cricket Council?
Torture is still a valid and performed activity? Whoa.
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[QUOTE=Bytecry;34260716]International Cricket Council?[/QUOTE] International Criminal Court. [url]http://www.icc-cpi.int/Menus/ICC[/url]
I'm hoping that the excuse that is national security is wearing thin. British/US international relations had been going so well.
[QUOTE=filipegroh;34260705]But at least they stopped a terrorist attack, that's what matter right guys?![/QUOTE] Yes, because being accused of terrorist activities definetly means you were going to par-take in a terrorist attack. [editline]Edited:[/editline] To the gentlemen that rated this dumb, sar·casm /ˈsɑrkæzəm/ sahr-kaz-uhm
Why would they hang him from a wall and parade naked women in front of him? Stay classy CIA. Seriously, this is horrible. My heart goes out to the man.
I hate CIA more and more every day.
[quote]Then, naked women were paraded before him.[/quote] Take me now
[QUOTE=PatrickT;34261382]Take me now[/QUOTE] Just sign on the dotted line and prepare for your genitals to be cut with razors
I don't get the naked women part. How is that torture? Seems like a lot of trouble to go through. Maybe they were really ugly and fat.
[QUOTE=Collin665;34261603]I don't get the naked women part. How is that torture? Seems like a lot of trouble to go through. Maybe they were really ugly and fat.[/QUOTE] "Okay, Rosie O'Donnell, Joan Rivers, Sally Struthers, Cher, and Barbra Streisand, get in here." Seriously though what the fuck US.
I usually hate it when some of my countrymen say "Fuck this I'm moving to Cananda", but this legitimately has me tempted to abandon my country. Why aren't we investigating this? Why doesn't every American know about this? This isn't some past atrocity that every nation has on it's roster, this happened [I]after 2000[/I]. Our government condoned and possibly directly ordered this out of a system of ignorance, racism, and paranoia. The fact that this isn't being investigated or even talked about makes me want to trample the flag in the dust.
[QUOTE=loopoo;34260879]Why would they hang him from a wall and parade naked women in front of him? Stay classy CIA. Seriously, this is horrible. My heart goes out to the man.[/QUOTE] I dunno, some people are into that kind of thing.
[I][B]WHAT THE FUCK[/B][/I]
[QUOTE=Joazzz;34260958]I hate CIA more and more every day.[/QUOTE] The CIA have always been a dodgy organisation, they're like Americas way of getting around war crimes.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;34264716]The CIA have always been a dodgy organisation, they're like Americas way of getting around war crimes.[/QUOTE] yeah I found the plot of black ops supremely ironic in that aspect...
I'm getting really [I]REALLY[/I] tired of all the intelligence bullshit coming out of my own fucking country. What the hell is happening lately?
[QUOTE=ewitwins;34264917]I'm getting really [I]REALLY[/I] tired of all the intelligence bullshit coming out of my own fucking country. What the hell is happening lately?[/QUOTE] most of this stuff happened in the past, during the Bush administration.
[QUOTE=Medevilae;34264779][url]http://www.cps.gov.uk/news/press_statements/joint_statement_by_the_director_of_public_prosecutions_and_the_metropolitan_police_service/[/url] The SY statement says nothing near what 'The Atlantic' is saying. Not saying it might not have happened, but where are they getting their info when their source doesn't back up anything they've said? EDIT: Scotland Yard went as far to say as there was 'no conclusive evidence that ill-treatment did or did not take place,' and Mohamed himself was (obviously) unable to point out indivudals.[/QUOTE] The specific statement is about an investigation into whether or not British individuals were complacent in the unlawful treatment of Mr. Mohamed, so it doesn't go into the separate allegations that the Atlantic does. They're getting their info on the allegations from the British courts who have documents that back them up and they're using that info to provide background. As well, I don't know where you're getting that quote. The only one like it in the statement you linked that I can find is this: [QUOTE=Joint statement by the Director of Public Prosecutions and the Metropolitan Police Service]Nothing in this decision should be read as concluding that the ill-treatment alleged by Mr Mohamed did not take place or that it was lawful.[/QUOTE] So I believe that, while not exactly an indictment, is supporting the allegations. [QUOTE=trotskygrad;34264969]most of this stuff happened in the past, during the Bush administration.[/QUOTE] We could still be doing it for all we know. Obama has tried to close the Guantanamo detention center but he hasn't tried to close Bagram or other facilities. Obama hasn't made any moves towards investigating these places or allegations towards them as far as I know. He could be doing a shitload more, and he isn't.
[QUOTE=Collin665;34261603]I don't get the naked women part. How is that torture? Seems like a lot of trouble to go through. Maybe they were really ugly and fat.[/QUOTE] I once read that, in Vietnam, captured GI's would have brittle glass tubes slid into their urethera, then they'd have hot chicks paraded in front of them. If they got an erection... well. Perhaps something similar was done here.
[QUOTE]the Obama Administration threatened to cut off intelligence sharing with the UK if a British court ordered the release of classified documents in the case[/QUOTE] this is why no one likes you America.
[QUOTE=geoface;34260878]Yes, because being accused of terrorist activities definetly means you were going to par-take in a terrorist attack.[/QUOTE]Wow he was obviously being sarcastic you fools.
[QUOTE=krakadict;34265301]this is why no one likes you America.[/QUOTE] You told the teacher so I'm not your friend any more!!!1!
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[QUOTE=Cone;34265182]I once read that, in Vietnam, captured GI's would have brittle glass tubes slid into their urethera, then they'd have hot chicks paraded in front of them. If they got an erection... well. Perhaps something similar was done here.[/QUOTE] holy shit, haha. I'm pretty sure this had more to do with muslim beliefs against ladies revealing physical beauty. Conversely those same beliefs also lead to porn addiction [video=youtube;NV4iGknviD8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NV4iGknviD8&feature=related[/video] [editline]17th January 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Spooter;34265032] We could still be doing it for all we know. Obama has tried to close the Guantanamo detention center but he hasn't tried to close Bagram or other facilities. Obama hasn't made any moves towards investigating these places or allegations towards them as far as I know. He could be doing a shitload more, and he isn't.[/QUOTE] true but we don't really have an "impetus" to do so right now. Osama's whacked, and there aren't that many "active" terrorist groups threatening the US. Sure they do exist, but it seems like there's not as many.
This is pretty unrelated but that guy looks so chill. I'd like to hang with him for a day.
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