[QUOTE]The Federal Communications Commission approved the policy known as net neutrality by a 3-2 vote at its Thursday meeting, with FCC Chairman Tom Wheeler saying that the policy will ensure "that no one – whether government or corporate – should control free open access to the Internet."[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2015/02/26/389259382/net-neutrality-up-for-vote-today-by-fcc-board[/url]
Alright! No fear of fast lanes now!
Good thing I refreshed before submitting.
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[quote]Thursday's vote comes after Commissioners Michael O'Rielly and Ajut Pai asked that the FCC "immediately release the 332-page Internet regulation plan publicly and allow the American people a reasonable period of not less than 30 days to carefully study it."
That request was denied; we'll post the document here when it's available.[/quote]
Fuck yes.
Watched a few minutes of it live just prior to the vote. Glad it passed. Hopefully things will only go up from here for you yanks.
[QUOTE=The Pretender;47218501]Good thing I refreshed before submitting.
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I do want to see this though
[QUOTE=The Pretender;47218501]Good thing I refreshed before submitting.
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Yeah, this worries me.
My main concern is that this could stagnate development and upgrading of infrastructure.
We'll see how we fair with this bill, once we can actually read it, who knows what it actually says.
The FCC also recently voted that Chattanooga's municipal broadband network had the right to expand outside of the city, superseding state laws that prevented it.
This means municipal broadband will become more and more likely, and already-existing municipal broadband can expand outside of city borders.
fuck yeah wheeler
this will fix lots of shit
So hold on, they passed a law, without releasing the content of the law to the public?
What the fuck is that even a thing that people can do?
What's with the dumb rating ghost? Do you not like being able to read the fine print of your laws before they're voted on?
[QUOTE=Kite_shugo;47218533]I do want to see this though[/QUOTE]
Yeah without seeing it I don't trust the FCC to do what's right. I suspect it doesn't include the "Peering agreement" that groups like Netflix wanted to protect them from being extorted again by ISPs.
[QUOTE=Fish Muffin;47218540]Yeah, this worries me.
My main concern is that this could stagnate development and upgrading of infrastructure.[/QUOTE]
Couldn't be any slower than it already is.
[URL="http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/11/verizon-promises-not-to-sue-over-net-neutrality-if-fcc-avoids-utility-rules/"]Verizon[/URL] sure is gonna be mad.
EAT SHIT THROTTLING CUNTS
I'm really hopefuly for this, but I'm also nervous as FUCK about the whole "FCC repeatedly refusing to release the bill for public view"
What's in that 332 page bill that they're so adamant about the public not seeing? If they have nothing to hide they shouldn't be keeping the contents a secret.
TBH this doesn't bode well at all. Everyone is doing the victory screech and calling this a win but no one is stepping back and saying "Hold on. We don't actually know WHAT this bill does and why the FCC won't let us read it"
Ten dollars says it has all sorts of tracking and NSA type spying shit aimed at P2P file sharing and other semi-benign websites/media in an effort to 'track terrorism' or some shit like that.
It's unacceptable that the bill has not been fully released. WTF
[QUOTE=Snoberry Tea;47218678]I'm really hopefuly for this, but I'm also nervous as FUCK about the whole "FCC repeatedly refusing to release the bill for public view"
What's in that 332 page bill that they're so adamant about the public not seeing? If they have nothing to hide they shouldn't be keeping the contents a secret.
TBH this doesn't bode well at all. Everyone is doing the victory screech and calling this a win but no one is stepping back and saying "Hold on. We don't actually know WHAT this bill does and why the FCC won't let us read it"
Ten dollars says it has all sorts of tracking and NSA type spying shit aimed at P2P file sharing and other semi-benign websites/media in an effort to 'track terrorism' or some shit like that.[/QUOTE]
Yea, the fact that we can't read this thing is what worries me. I was agasint it from the beginning because of this one fact. I don't give a single damn what the politicians say it is.
[U][B]LET ME READ IT[/B][/U]
[QUOTE=Snoberry Tea;47218678]I'm really hopefuly for this, but I'm also nervous as FUCK about the whole "FCC repeatedly refusing to release the bill for public view"
What's in that 332 page bill that they're so adamant about the public not seeing? If they have nothing to hide they shouldn't be keeping the contents a secret.
TBH this doesn't bode well at all. Everyone is doing the victory screech and calling this a win but no one is stepping back and saying "Hold on. We don't actually know WHAT this bill does and why the FCC won't let us read it"
Ten dollars says it has all sorts of tracking and NSA type spying shit aimed at P2P file sharing and other semi-benign websites/media in an effort to 'track terrorism' or some shit like that.[/QUOTE]
Exactly, that's what I am worried about. Every time the government inserts themselves somewhere they start to want to control shit, even if they say they are there to keep things free. They will likely start requiring ISPs to release info on users, which up until now has mostly been kept secret by the ISPs. I forsee all kinds of breaches of privacy hidden in a massive bill that wasn't released to the public until it passed.
I sure am glad that these 5 people that certainly are only working for what is best for the Internet and the American people passed this bill that they refuse to let us read.
[QUOTE=Snoberry Tea;47218678]I'm really hopefuly for this, but I'm also nervous as FUCK about the whole "FCC repeatedly refusing to release the bill for public view"
What's in that 332 page bill that they're so adamant about the public not seeing? If they have nothing to hide they shouldn't be keeping the contents a secret.[/QUOTE]
it could be big name ISPs they're trying to keep the information away from rather than average people.
[QUOTE=Fish Muffin;47218743]I sure am glad that these 5 people that certainly are only working for what is best for the Internet and the American people passed this bill that they refuse to let us read.[/QUOTE]
I'm sure they're just protecting us from the monumental boredom of reading 332 pages of legalese and government secrets
[editline]26th February 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=Bruhmis;47218766]it could be big name ISPs they're trying to keep the information away from rather than average people.[/QUOTE]
Yeah I sincerely doubt that. I'd bet money that the ISP's already know what's in the bill. With the amount of money they have there's no way they haven't read the document backwards and forwards.
[QUOTE=Snoberry Tea;47218678]I'm really hopefuly for this, but I'm also nervous as FUCK about the whole "FCC repeatedly refusing to release the bill for public view"
What's in that 332 page bill that they're so adamant about the public not seeing? If they have nothing to hide they shouldn't be keeping the contents a secret.
TBH this doesn't bode well at all. Everyone is doing the victory screech and calling this a win but no one is stepping back and saying "Hold on. We don't actually know WHAT this bill does and why the FCC won't let us read it"
Ten dollars says it has all sorts of tracking and NSA type spying shit aimed at P2P file sharing and other semi-benign websites/media in an effort to 'track terrorism' or some shit like that.[/QUOTE]
It's possible that there are legitimate reasons not to release the bill until it is passed and implemented, like shareholder impact to ISPs in response to the release (so they give them time to prepare statements and inform their management before it releases and their stocks drop), or needing to educate and inform relevant agencies so they can handle public queries, but I wouldn't count on it.
[QUOTE=Fish Muffin;47218743]I sure am glad that these 5 people that certainly are only working for what is best for the Internet and the American people passed this bill that they refuse to let us read.[/QUOTE]
No don't you understand this is purely for the sake of the people and you're an anti-government conspiracy theorist if you think there might be other motives
[QUOTE=Bruhmis;47218766]it could be big name ISPs they're trying to keep the information away from rather than average people.[/QUOTE]
That would be the US government showing some uncharacteristic trust in their people over corporations.
In other words it will literally never happen.
I don't care what their reasoning is. This is a fundamental shift in how internet works in the United States (and the world, considering a huge portion of sites and games are hosted on American servers) it needs to be made public prior to being voted on, so the people have a chance to understand what it's changing and petition for changes to unacceptable portions.
Choke on it ISPs
[QUOTE=Rapscallion92;47218788]That would be the US government showing some uncharacteristic trust in their people over corporations.
In other words it will literally never happen.[/QUOTE]
if ISPs had that much control this bill wouldn't have happened in the first place. there's a lot of pressure surrounding this so it's not unreasonable to imagine that the government is actually pushing for net neutrality, even if for no other reason than saving their own asses.
[QUOTE=Bruhmis;47218813]if ISPs had that much control this bill wouldn't have happened in the first place. there's a lot of pressure surrounding this so it's not unreasonable to imagine that the government is actually pushing for net neutrality, even if for no other reason than saving their own asses.[/QUOTE]
More like pushing for eventual government control of the internet through shell companies like with how some other utilities are handled. Government's gotta be pretty pissed about all the ISP's constantly snitching on them when they spy on their customer's data. There's probably some wording in the new bill that prevents them from doing that lest they face hefty fines/sanctions.
[QUOTE=bobxrawks;47218563][URL="http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/11/verizon-promises-not-to-sue-over-net-neutrality-if-fcc-avoids-utility-rules/"]Verizon[/URL] sure is gonna be mad.[/QUOTE]
They're already salty.
[url]http://publicpolicy.verizon.com/blog/entry/fccs-throwback-thursday-move-imposes-1930s-rules-on-the-internet[/url]
[img]http://pbs.twimg.com/media/B-yxV3uW8AAcBnO.png[/img]
[QUOTE=Swiket;47218908]They're already salty.
[url]http://publicpolicy.verizon.com/blog/entry/fccs-throwback-thursday-move-imposes-1930s-rules-on-the-internet[/url]
[img]http://pbs.twimg.com/media/B-yxV3uW8AAcBnO.png[/img][/QUOTE]
the "translated for 21st century internet users" pdf is written in a typewriter font
laughable
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