Putin: Russia to redevelop it's nuclear and aviation arsenal as 'partner' NATO turns enemy - Polidicks

[IMG]http://wpmedia.news.nationalpost.com/2014/09/russia1.jpg?w=620[/IMG] [QUOTE]Russia is developing an array of new nuclear and conventional weapons to counter recent moves by the U.S. and NATO, but will carefully weigh the costs to avoid overburdening its economy, President Vladimir Putin said Wednesday. He said Russia has no intention to launch a new arms race, but will respond to all security challenges. Russia carried out a successful test of its new Bulava intercontinental nuclear missile on Wednesday and the head of its naval forces said the country will perform two more test launches in October and November. The 12-metre long Bulava, or mace, has undergone numerous tests, some of which have failed, causing setbacks for the project that aims to be the cornerstone of Russia’s nuclear arsenal over the next decade. Addressing a Kremlin meeting on weapons modernization plans, Putin said the West shouldn’t be surprised about Moscow’s efforts in view of U.S. missile defence plans and other decisions he said have threatened Russia’s security. “We have warned many times that we would have to take corresponding countermeasures to ensure our security,” Putin said, adding that he would now take personal charge of the government commission that oversees military industries. He said the weapons modernization program for 2016-2025 should focus on building a new array of offensive weapons to provide a “guaranteed nuclear deterrent,” re-arming strategic and long-range aviation, creating an aerospace defence system and developing high-precision conventional weapons. Russia must confront “potential threats to the military security” of the country, Putin said. He wouldn’t provide any details of prospective weapons, but he and other officials have repeatedly boasted about new Russian nuclear missiles’ capability to penetrate any prospective missile shield. Putin’s emphasis on high-precision conventional weapons reflects government concerns about the U.S. and other NATO countries enjoying a significant edge in that area. Putin said potential threats must be thoroughly analyzed, and an “adequate response” given to each of them to avoid excessive military spending. He said that Russian defence industries must rid themselves of dependence on imports and quickly become capable of producing key components at home — a nod at recent Western sanctions against Russia barring arms sales. Russia-West relations have plunged to their lowest point since the Cold War times over the crisis in Ukraine. A NATO summit last week decided to create a rapid-reaction “spearhead” force to protect Eastern Europe from Russian bullying. [/QUOTE] [url]http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/09/10/russia-developing-new-nuclear-weapons-to-counter-potential-threats-to-military-security-from-nato/[/url]

But why, Putin?

You all still think this isn't going to end in war?

[QUOTE=Tmaxx;45947282]You all still think this isn't going to end in war?[/QUOTE] The possibility of a war rings louder and louder in my head, even while I still hope this is one big joke.

[QUOTE=TAU!;45947301]The possibility of a war rings louder and louder in my head, even while I still hope this is one big joke.[/QUOTE] Haha west Crimea is one big joke is russia all along!

Worrying, but not really unexpected. Of course they will want to step up their game if they see NATO doing it, too.

Cold War Part Two: Nuclear Boogaloo. In all seriousness this doesn't surprise me at all. And I'm sure the US is going to respond in kind. MAD never died when the iron curtain fell.

[QUOTE=TAU!;45947301]The possibility of a war rings louder and louder in my head, even while I still hope this is one big joke.[/QUOTE] I doubt russia would be stupid enough to escalate this conflict into full on war, their list of allies is pretty thin

Putin is going to wreck his country.

[QUOTE=SexualShark;45947465]Putin is going to wreck his country.[/QUOTE] Not before he wrecks other countries. Besides, this whole cold war thing might improve Russia's economy as they will be able to produce high tech military components independently and it will severely benefit it's agricultural industry. Maybe it is some militaristic economic reform policy.

[QUOTE=Elspin;45947440]I doubt russia would be stupid enough to escalate this conflict into full on war, their list of allies is pretty thin[/QUOTE] Of course, it would be a really stupid idea for Putin to completely declare war on Ukraine, but it doesn't seem like things will be cooling down anytime soon.

[QUOTE=TAU!;45947490]Of course, it would be a really stupid idea for Putin to completely declare war on Ukraine (or even the EU), but it doesn't seem like things will be cooling down anytime soon.[/QUOTE] Why would they declare war on the EU..

[QUOTE=Elspin;45947440]I doubt russia would be stupid enough to escalate this conflict into full on war, their list of allies is pretty thin[/QUOTE] I don't think anyone during the cold war thought that they were "escalating into a full on war", and they never even called it a war until we were so deep into it we couldn't kid ourselves about it anymore.

[QUOTE=laserguided;45947485]Not before he wrecks other countries.[/QUOTE] What kind of fucking endgame is that though? "Haha we trashed Ukraine and in exchange we got trashed as well and now we're being occupied by the US like Japan after world war 2 haha victory for Russia haha Russia strong" Seriously if that's Russia's goal, to just dick with a few countries before ultimately getting wiped out and replaced with a US sponsored government I think Putin should probably rethink his priorities

[QUOTE=SexualShark;45947465]Putin is going to wreck his country.[/QUOTE] Too fucking late. He's gotten to the point where he's posturing like North Korea. I highly advise anyone in Russia to look into the possibility of getting out.

[QUOTE=Elspin;45947511]What kind of fucking endgame is that though? "Haha we trashed Ukraine and in exchange we got trashed as well and now we're being occupied by the US like Japan after world war 2 haha victory for Russia haha Russia strong" Seriously if that's Russia's goal, to just dick with a few countries before ultimately getting wiped out and replaced with a US sponsored government I think Putin should probably rethink his priorities[/QUOTE] Why would he get attacked for invading Ukraine. Nobody cares about Ukraine, which is why he got away with occupying several Ukrainian territories. He even invaded a US ally and stole Humvee's from the US military, and the U.S. didn't do anything. Before Russia gets invaded the world will be a smoking nuclear hulk.

How many decades until Russia collapses this time?

[QUOTE=laserguided;45947525]Why would he get attacked for invading Ukraine. Nobody cares about Ukraine, which is why he got away with occupying several Ukrainian territories. He even invaded a US ally and stole Humvee's from the US military, and the U.S. didn't do anything. Before Russia gets invaded the world will be a smoking nuclear hulk.[/QUOTE] Plenty of people care about Ukraine, it's just that confronting Russia/Putin with more than sanctions could escalate the conflicts and make things even worse. Also, the US is already preoccupied with running around the Middle-East, and has been doing for more than a decade. Our government, as hard as it might try to be, is definitely not omnipotent.

If we ever did get in a war with the russkies, itd be a regional war and itd probably be short lived.

[QUOTE=laserguided;45947525]Why would he get attacked for invading Ukraine. Nobody cares about Ukraine, which is why he got away with occupying several Ukrainian territories. He even invaded a US ally and stole Humvee's from the US military, and the U.S. didn't do anything. Before Russia gets invaded the world will be a smoking nuclear hulk.[/QUOTE] You didn't say he'd wreck Ukraine, you said wreck other coun[b]tries[/b], as in plural. If he's going to attack another country after Ukraine then I seriously doubt people are going to stay out of it, especially considering how many NATO allies are around Russia. Yeah, he might get away with attacking Ukraine if that's all he does but the more people he pisses off the more likely he's going to end up dead at the end of a resulting conflict.

Gotta military state up there Putin, better buildup a huge pen of brainiacs since there's been nothing but a brain drain out of Moscow since the mid 90s,building icbms takes thousands of people in dozens of fields coming togather and the education system and higher education system in Russia hasn't gotten better since the soviet days. [editline]11th September 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=MegaJohnny;45947357]Worrying, but not really unexpected. Of course they will want to step up their game if they see NATO doing it, too.[/QUOTE] Ya this actually seems like a very predictable move for Russia compared to the stuff they've been doing lately, they can sink billions of dollars, trillions of rupples and years of time into weapon systems that they'll throw up here and there for posturing, we'll already counter it. Also the way they're talking it sounds more like they are just building up more traditional weapons as opposed to drones and advanced stealth jets and other stuf that the u.s. and the west are working on

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[QUOTE=En-Guage;45947749][img]http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/740/432/9fa.gif[/img][/QUOTE] That's a really weird pride flag...

[QUOTE=SexualShark;45947465]Putin is going to wreck his country.[/QUOTE] Literally first line of the article. [quote]Russia is developing an array of new nuclear and conventional weapons to counter recent moves by the U.S. and NATO, [b]but will carefully weigh the costs to avoid overburdening its economy,[/b] President Vladimir Putin said Wednesday. He said [b]Russia has no intention to launch a new arms race,[/b] but will respond to all security challenges.[/quote]

[QUOTE=Melnek;45948246]Literally first line of the article.[/QUOTE] Putin and Russia's government say a [I]lot[/I] of things.

[QUOTE=Tmaxx;45947282]You all still think this isn't going to end in war?[/QUOTE] Unless something very radical and unforeseen happens, nope. Not gonna happen.

WWIII anyone?

Can someone convince me that russia isn't going to use nukes? I'm scared they're going to use nukes. Someone give me a rational reason they won't use nukes

[QUOTE=Lurklet;45948827]Can someone convince me that russia isn't going to use nukes? I'm scared they're going to use nukes. Someone give me a rational reason they won't use nukes[/QUOTE] Mutually Assured Destruction If they launch even a single nuke, they will get a couple dozen of them right back.

[QUOTE=Lurklet;45948827]Can someone convince me that russia isn't going to use nukes? I'm scared they're going to use nukes. Someone give me a rational reason they won't use nukes[/QUOTE] They've had nukes for the last 60 years.