Unarmed Man Is Charged With Wounding Bystanders Shot by Police Near Times Square - Polidicks

[url]http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/05/nyregion/unarmed-man-is-charged-with-wounding-bystanders-shot-by-police-near-times-square.html?smid=re-share&_r=2&[/url] [quote]A curious crowd grew. Police officers arrived and tried to corral Mr. Broadnax, a 250-pound man. When he reached into his pants pocket, two officers, who, the police said, thought he was pulling a gun, opened fire, missing Mr. Broadnax, but hitting two nearby women. Finally, a police sergeant knocked Mr. Broadnax down with a [URL="http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/subjects/s/stun_guns/index.html?inline=nyt-classifier"]Taser[/URL]. The shootings once again raised questions about the police use of firearms in crowded areas and drew comparisons to a shooting a year ago, when officers struck nine bystanders in front of the [URL="http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/subjects/e/empire_state_building/index.html?inline=nyt-classifier"]Empire State Building[/URL] when they killed an armed murder suspect. [/quote]

Wait, so the guy who was shot at was charged for the shooting? .. [quote]Initially Mr. Broadnax was arrested on misdemeanor charges of menacing, drug possession and resisting arrest. But the Manhattan district attorney’s office persuaded a grand jury to charge Mr. Broadnax with assault, a felony carrying a maximum sentence of 25 years. Specifically, the nine-count indictment unsealed on Wednesday said Mr. Broadnax “recklessly engaged in conduct which created a grave risk of death.” “The defendant is the one that created the situation that injured innocent bystanders,” said an assistant district attorney, Shannon Lucey.[/quote] Ah

[QUOTE=Zenreon117;43091194]Wait, so the guy who was shot at was charged for the shooting? .. Ah[/QUOTE] they are trying to blame him for the actions of some trigger happy cops

[QUOTE=yawmwen;43091217]they are trying to blame him for the actions of some trigger happy cops[/QUOTE] Yes. Edited: The idea is that due to his disruptive behavior and subsequently making the mistake of putting your hand into your pocket when dealing with police officers, that he forced them to respond via shooting, which hit bystanders. It's still stupid.

I'm not so sure about charging him for hitting those two bystanders, but there definitely is a law against resisting arrest and doing something that could very easily be mistaken as taking your weapon to shoot the police.

Christ, why don't they teach cops to just taser innocent bystanders instead of shooting them

[QUOTE=Robber;43091383]I'm not so sure about charging him for hitting those two bystanders, but there definitely is a law against resisting arrest and doing something that could very easily be mistaken as taking your weapon to shoot the police.[/QUOTE] watch out he's got a wallet! shoot him

[QUOTE=yawmwen;43091444]watch out he's got a wallet! shoot him[/QUOTE] In drivers ed they specifically told me not to make unnecessary or sudden movements when a cop pulls you over because it can easily be mistaken for hiding things, or drawing a weapon. Which more or less would also apply in this situation. Not saying the cops made at all a good decision shooting into a crowd.

"Oh fuck, i'm sorry I broke your $1,000,000 vase, but you're the one who invited me over so it's YOUR fault really."

[QUOTE=yawmwen;43091444]watch out he's got a wallet! shoot him[/QUOTE] Letting suspects pull things out of their pockets is truly a great idea! You should sign up to become a cop so you can implement this truly visionary concept, just make sure to let us know how many suspects you can survive!

Oh a SH thread about the police doing something bad. I wonder who posted it! - No one, 2013

[QUOTE=amos106;43091558]Letting suspects pull things out of their pockets is truly a great idea! You should sign up to become a cop so you can implement this truly visionary concept, just make sure to let us know how many suspects you can survive![/QUOTE] fuckin ppl pullin things out of their pocket i died 3 times last week when people tried to pull wallets out of their pocket and accidentally shot me instead

[QUOTE=yawmwen;43091619]fuckin ppl pullin things out of their pocket i died 3 times last week when people tried to pull wallets out of their pocket and accidentally shot me instead[/QUOTE] like can you seriously not see why reaching into your pocket is the wrong thing to do around a police officer, especially if you are resisting arrest stop being so fucking abrasive its really annoying

how did they miss a 250 pound man anyway

[QUOTE=Timebomb575;43091646]like can you seriously not see why reaching into your pocket is the wrong thing to do around a police officer, especially if you are resisting arrest stop being so fucking abrasive its really annoying[/QUOTE] if i see someone reaching into their pockets on the street does that mean i can legally shoot them?

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8-ycSkoYfc[/media] Hi. My name is U.S.S.R and I'd like to show you why incidents like these are common and even excused because of procedure. Watching this might put you off of eating for the next few days or so, but go ahead.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;43091671]if i see someone reaching into their pockets on the street does that mean i can legally shoot them?[/QUOTE] no but if you are a cop and you are trying to arrest someone who looks mentally unstable and is resisting, then it makes the use of force much more justifiable

[QUOTE=yawmwen;43091671]if i see someone reaching into their pockets on the street does that mean i can legally shoot them?[/QUOTE] If they've already done something illegal, resisted arrest, and are most likely unstable and dangerous, sure, because if you don't, you run a chance of ending up like the man in the video I just posted.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;43091671]if i see someone reaching into their pockets on the street does that mean i can legally shoot them?[/QUOTE] Are you a police officer? Is that person reaching into their pockets a drug addicted loony whose resisting arrest? if you answered "no" to any of these questions you're a fucking idiot.

I can see that putting your hand into your pocket while dealing with the police is bad and they felt he was pulling a weapon. But I don't think it's right for him to be charged with injuring the bystanders.

[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;43091715]Are you a police officer? Is that person reaching into their pockets a drug addicted loony whose resisting arrest? if you answered "no" to any of these questions you're a fucking idiot.[/QUOTE] so i gotta buy myself a badge before i get the right to murder mentally unstable people then?

[QUOTE=yawmwen;43091720]so i gotta buy myself a badge before i get the right to murder mentally unstable people then?[/QUOTE] ok if you think the only difference between a civilian and a cop is the purchase of a badge I think we are done here

[QUOTE=Timebomb575;43091740]ok if you think the only difference bettween a civilian and a cop is the purchase of a badge I think we are done here[/QUOTE] the fact that they are allowed to murder minorities and mentally unstable people is a pretty big difference too.

There's two things to understand when dealing with cops, don't make any sudden movements, and give them your utmost respect even if they're the biggest prick ever. They're not people you want to piss off, and with all of the news articles that go around about cops doing shit like this I don't understand why people AREN'T more cautious. I've met a lot of cops in my life that were incredibly good people, but i've met just as many that were complete utter pricks that have no amount of understanding in them other than "I'm a cop, I have authority." I really don't understand, after you read about shit like this, people aren't more cautious. When I get pulled over, and get asked for my License (and registration, but that's not in my wallet.) I ALWAYS tell the cop that I'm going to grab my wallet out of my back pocket, and proceed to do so slowly. These are not people you want to piss off and you know what, a lot of them aren't justified but some of them have dealt with shit like U.S.S.R. has posted (quoted below) and it can make you quite jumpy. Cops can feel a lot of the effects that soldiers that come back from being overseas do, and even if it's not to the same extent (IED's, bigger firefights, etc. etc.) still, if someone gets shot at or knows a friend that got shot at and they're both cops, you can imagine they're going to be more jumpy and suspecting of people. Some cops are complete dicks, and they're definitely to blame for a lot of these instances, but there's certain times - like this one - that is just as much the victims fault as the officer's. Although, firing into a crowd is definitely not cool. [QUOTE=U.S.S.R;43091682][media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8-ycSkoYfc[/media] Hi. My name is U.S.S.R and I'd like to show you why incidents like these are common and even excused because of procedure. Watching this might put you off of eating for the next few days or so, but go ahead.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=yawmwen;43091745]the fact that they are allowed to murder minorities and mentally unstable people is a pretty big difference too.[/QUOTE] anyone is allowed to murder minorities, the mentally unstable, and even non-minorities and sane people people in a case of self defence legally killing someone isn't something restricted to cops

[QUOTE=Robber;43091383]I'm not so sure about charging him for hitting those two bystanders[/QUOTE] This is basically how the law works: If you do something illegal, you are responsible for [I]everything[/I] that happens as a result of that illegal decision, as long as everyone else is acting reasonably in response. So if the court decides that shooting was an appropriate reaction by the police to the perceived threat of a gun, then the shooting will be considered his fault because he unlawfully provoked a reasonable response and no policeman can be expected to be a perfect shot in a stressful situation. If, on the other hand, the court decides that the shooting was not justified, or that the only way the bystanders could be hit would be through woeful incompetence, then the police will be held responsible. Consider a car chase. If a criminal has stolen a car, and the police have to chase him, and a policeman accidentally hits and kills a motorcyclist, then the criminal will be held accountable for the death of the motorcyclist. The police are just doing their job. But if the policeman in question is driving recklessly, like going the wrong way in traffic, and causes the accident, then he will be held accountable because his misconduct caused the accident. You can find plenty of examples of bank robbers and home invaders being held criminally liable for injuries inflicted by other people. The basic idea is that if you break the law, everything that happens as a direct result of your choice to break the law is your fault.

I understand why the police opened fired, but I don't understand why the target should be the one compensating.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;43091720]so i gotta buy myself a badge before i get the right to murder mentally unstable people then?[/QUOTE] lol You are so full of shit it's not even funny

[QUOTE=Zenreon117;43091194]Wait, so the guy who was shot at was charged for the shooting? [/QUOTE] i think police are too paranoid these days that everyone is armed, its like every single time these shootouts happen, they go "oh well his hand was near his pants, so i shot him because i thought he was super armed" i know i want them to be able to respond, but the guy was on the ground, surrounded by officers, they could have tased him or tackled him or something, but not instantly pulled a gun on him

[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;43091879]lol You are so full of shit it's not even funny[/QUOTE] Frankly I find Yawmwen's lack of critical thinking skills to be quite humorous.