Arizona shooting suspect to be back in court, could face more charges
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[quote]Houston (CNN) -- As U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords continues to show improvement, the man who allegedly shot her and 18 others -- six of them fatally -- will be in federal court Monday, and could face additional, and more serious, charges tied to the Arizona massacre.
The arraignment hearing for suspect Jared Lee Loughner is scheduled for 1:30 p.m. MST (3:30 p.m. ET) at the U.S. District Court of Arizona in Phoenix.
Loughner, 22, already has been in that court to face charges on three counts of attempted murder in the shootings of Giffords and two of her aides, Ron Barber and Pamela Simon.
But all along, legal experts expected additional charges to be filed against the Tucson man, including in the slayings of six people. Those charges could be filed Monday.
"The grand jury investigation will continue," CNN senior legal analyst Jeffrey Toobin said last week. "There's a long way to go in this case, and (the attempted murder) charges will be there. But I'm certain more will be there as well."
While at a federal court in Phoenix, Monday's hearing will be presided over by Judge Larry Burns of the U.S. District Court for Southern California, based in San Diego. The 9th Circuit Court designated him to head the case after all federal judges in Arizona recused themselves because the state's chief federal judge -- John Roll of Tucson -- was among those killed in the shooting.
Meanwhile, Loughner's alleged main target in the January 8 shooting rampage at a Tucson Safeway supermarket is in intensive care at Memorial Hermann-Texas Medical Center in Houston, Texas. She was critically wounded after being shot through the brain.
The amount of car traffic on the campus of Texas Medical Center, a cluster of 42 university-affiliated schools, hospitals and clinics outside downtown Houston, has "doubled" since Giffords' arrival, campus security chief Fernando Bertrand told CNN affiliate KPRC. Yet Bertrand, who wouldn't detail any special security precautions beyond saying there was careful coordination with state and federal law enforcement agencies, said things thus far have gone smoothly.
Since being transferred there Friday from southern Arizona, Giffords has already impressed doctors with her ability to do exercises that involve moving, sitting and standing, the hospital's medical director said.
"She's doing very well," Dr. Gerard Francisco said Saturday, adding that she "surprised us" with her ability to use her muscles and other developments. "She did not need as much assistance as we anticipated."
On Sunday, Giffords' husband Mark Kelly, a NASA astronaut, posted on his Twitter feed that his wife was continuing to work toward a full recovery.
"Gabrielle starts her second day of rehab in 20 minutes at Memorial Hermann. No weekends off here," he wrote.
Giffords has a breathing tube in her neck and cannot talk, but Francisco said he believes she is trying to communicate. She is very responsive to others, and follows commands. He said that doctors were particularly encouraged by Giffords' bringing her left leg, which was dangling off the side of the bed, up onto the bed.
Giffords has good movement and muscle tone on her left side, he said, and some on her right side as well -- even though she was shot in the left side of her brain, which controls her right side.
Arizona doctors said Giffords' transfer from that state went flawlessly. Dr. Randall Friese of the UMC trauma center said that at some points as she traveled through the streets of Tucson, Giffords could hear applause from those who turned out to honor her. "She responded very well to that," he said, smiling and even tearing up a bit. "It was very emotional."
Despite reaching a series of milestones, Giffords has a long road ahead, doctors have said. Once she enters rehabilitation, the process is expected to take four to six months.[/quote]
[url]http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/01/24/arizona.shooting/index.html?hpt=T2[/url]
[quote]the process is expected to take four to six months[/quote]
:ohdear:
How can the charges get anymore serious?
Why do 'additional charges' matter in this case? If it's something like, say, you rob someone's house, then sure you could charge them for robbery and then an additional charge for something like trespassing, but in this case surely he's getting his whole life in prison no matter what?
Should be charged for everything he did honestly.
[QUOTE=Ali Legend;27631953]Why do 'additional charges' matter in this case? If it's something like, say, you rob someone's house, then sure you could charge them for robbery and then an additional charge for something like trespassing, but in this case surely he's getting his whole life in prison no matter what?[/QUOTE]
because now they can give him life +20 +10, life isnt actually until you die, its like 40 years or something, if they add enough shit he will rot in jail.
although he should get the chair so we dont have to pay to feed him :kiddo:
[QUOTE=Ali Legend;27631953]Why do 'additional charges' matter in this case? If it's something like, say, you rob someone's house, then sure you could charge them for robbery and then an additional charge for something like trespassing, but in this case surely he's getting his whole life in prison no matter what?[/QUOTE]
Insurance that, if god forbid he some how gets off easier than he should, these things will stay piled onto him.
Why does he need anymore charges? What he's charged with now is enough to execute him.
[QUOTE=Ali Legend;27631953]Why do 'additional charges' matter in this case? If it's something like, say, you rob someone's house, then sure you could charge them for robbery and then an additional charge for something like trespassing, but in this case surely he's getting his whole life in prison no matter what?[/QUOTE]
they dont, but they are there anyway. its how the system works. needs a rework honestly.
Just lock him up for the rest of his life. I think he's a bad one.
[QUOTE=c0nk3r;27634068]because now they can give him life +20 +10, life isnt actually until you die, its like 40 years or something, if they add enough shit he will rot in jail.
although he should get the chair so we dont have to pay to feed him :kiddo:[/QUOTE] Can we just put him in a house out in the desert, and have two A-10's do gun runs on the house, and drop tank buster bombs/napalm on him? It would be a lot more satisfiying...
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;27636997]Can we just put him in a house out in the desert, and have two A-10's do gun runs on the house, and drop tank buster bombs/napalm on him? It would be a lot more satisfiying...[/QUOTE]
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Seriously, saying stuff like this makes you sound 12.
[QUOTE=c0nk3r;27634068]because now they can give him life +20 +10, life isnt actually until you die, its like 40 years or something, if they add enough shit he will rot in jail.
although he should get the chair so we dont have to pay to feed him :kiddo:[/QUOTE]
Maybe he will ask for golden dodos for his last meal.
[QUOTE=c0nk3r;27634068]because now they can give him life +20 +10, life isnt actually until you die, its like 40 years or something, if they add enough shit he will rot in jail.
although he should get the chair so we dont have to pay to feed him :kiddo:[/QUOTE]
Right, we can just pay for his far more expensive court fees.
Take that, murderer!
Just shoot the bastard.
There is no way in hell he will be found innocent, on any of the charges.
[QUOTE=Uberman77883;27638971]Just shoot the bastard.
There is no way in hell he will be found innocent, on any of the charges.[/QUOTE]
He is clearly not guilty by reason of mental defect, he needs to spend the rest of his life in a mental institution.
Just kill him now!
[editline]24th January 2011[/editline]
I hope they air his execution on public television.
[QUOTE=RebeccaChambers;27639236]Just kill him now!
[editline]24th January 2011[/editline]
I hope they air his execution on public television.[/QUOTE]
~whoa~
[QUOTE=RebeccaChambers;27639236]Just kill him now!
[editline]24th January 2011[/editline]
I hope they air his execution on public television.[/QUOTE]
Now, now Rebecca..Me and you both know two wrongs don't make a right :smile:
This thread is another case for the "rate everyone dumb" button since it would take less time to just go back and re-rate the non-dumb posts agree later
[QUOTE=c0nk3r;27634068]because now they can give him life +20 +10, life isnt actually until you die, its like 40 years or something, if they add enough shit he will rot in jail.
although he should get the chair so we dont have to pay to feed him :kiddo:[/QUOTE]
Uh no, Life is life. If you get out on parole you still have to check in with a parole officer every month or so.
[QUOTE=Lambeth;27640425]Uh no, Life is life. If you get out on parole you still have to check in with a parole officer every month or so.[/QUOTE]
life isn't necessarily life
depends on the state
[editline]24th January 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Uberman77883;27638971]Just shoot the bastard.
There is no way in hell he will be found innocent, on any of the charges.[/QUOTE]
yes, let's shoot mentally ill people
nothing wrong with that
[QUOTE=c0nk3r;27634068]because now they can give him life +20 +10, life isnt actually until you die, its like 40 years or something, if they add enough shit he will rot in jail.
although he should get the chair so we dont have to pay to feed him :kiddo:[/QUOTE]
It's actually more expensive to put prisoners on death row than life imprisonment, because of the very long, very expensive appeals process.
Unfortunately (or maybe, fortunately for the people wrongly convicted), they don't just take them and shoot them.
I've heard that Arizona law doesn't allow defendants to plead not guilty due to insanity. Can anyone from Arizona confirm this?
I think he should rot in jail till he dies. Execution seems to me to be an easy way out for criminals.
There is no need to charge anything anymore. wtf
[QUOTE=HolyCrusade;27634839]Why does he need anymore charges? What he's charged with now is enough to execute him.[/QUOTE]
Because he broke both federal and state laws. That is two different court systems which demand satisfaction.
[editline]25th January 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=JDK721;27641398]life isn't necessarily life
depends on the state
[/QUOTE]
Yeah if he gets life on the state charges he may get out early. Though it is unlikely.
If he gets life on the Federal charges, he isn't getting out.
[QUOTE=Uberman77883;27638971]There is no way in hell he will be found innocent, on any of the charges.[/QUOTE]
There's no way he was sane in carrying out his actions, so how can he be found guilty of a charge (such as murder) which requires a certain mental capacity?
[QUOTE=DogGunn;27649875]There's no way he was sane in carrying out his actions, so how can he be found guilty of a charge (such as murder) which requires a certain mental capacity?[/QUOTE]
I think the question becomes to what degree does he understand right and wrong. Good and evil.
There is this weird line that they have to walk with these cases. They almost universally involve someone who was mentally disturbed, but the question is whether or not that mental issue prevented them from differentiating right from wrong. Motive and mindset, while useful in other cases (and necessary for most first degree murder charges), is of the utmost importance in cases where the sanity of the defendant is in question.
The guy is clearly insane, but how deep that insanity goes is the question.
Personally I imagine deep enough to warrant the insanity plea, but that is just a guess and it certainly requires investigation on the part of the courts.
I don't think he is able to be rehabilitated in any way whatsoever, and he probably feels pride in his actions. I don't see how any mental therapy can help him at this point. He's probably going to be put in Maximum Security under 23/24 hour lock down. All I know for certain is the death penalty isn't going to help/solve anything.
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