Israel responds to "Nakba Day" mourners and protesters with rubber bullets, water cannons and tear g - Polidicks

[quote]Israeli soldiers have fired tear gas, water canon and rubber bullets at stone-throwing Palestinians in the West Bank, wounding at least 17 people, medics and security sources said. The clashes on Friday took place near Ramallah and in Nablus to the north, as Palestinians marked 67 years since the "Nakba", or "catastrophe", that befell them when Israel was established in 1948. [B]At a demonstration outside Ofer military prison near Ramallah, dozens of protesters threw stones at soldiers who fired tear gas and rubber bullets at the crowds[/B], the AFP news agency reported. Medics said[B] seven Palestinians were wounded[/B] in those clashes. In a separate flare-up earlier in the West Bank city of Nablus,[B] rubber bullets and live fire by soldiers wounded at least 10 Palestinians[/B], security sources and witnesses said. [B]The Israeli army confirmed the clashes, but denied that live rounds were fired.[/B][/quote] [url]http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/05/israeli-army-clashes-palestinians-nakba-day-150515145802087.html[/url] [quote][B]Each year on May 15, Palestinians across the world commemorate the Nakba (catastrophe), or the 1948 establishment of Israel that led to hundreds of thousands of Palestinians being displaced from their homeland.[/B] The estimated 1.7 million Palestinians who carry Israeli citizenship and live in villages, towns and cities across the country are no exception. Each year, protests, marches, lectures and other events to mourn their ancestors' dispossession are held in Palestinian communities across Israel. [B]Yet, since 2011, Israeli legislation has made mourning the Nakba publicly difficult for Palestinians and others in Israel. The "Nakba Law" authorises Israel's finance minister to revoke funding from institutions that reject Israel's character as a "Jewish state" or mark the country's Independence Day as a day of mourning.[/B] Although[B] the Nakba Law has yet to be technically implemented[/B], human rights groups and activists say it has a dangerous deterrent effect and is meant to intimidate Palestinians and others who view Israel's establishment as a day of mourning for Palestinians. Among those who could be potentially affected by the Nakba Law is Zochrot, an Israeli non-governmental organisation that aims to keep the memory of the 1948 events alive and promotes the Right of Return for Palestinian refugees. [B]"The Nakba Law is part of an atmosphere to suppress the Nakba narrative and a discussion of the Right of Return for Palestinian refugees,"[/B] Liat Rosenberg, director of Zochrot, told Al Jazeera. "These are right-wing, anti-democratic efforts [that] continue to create an atmosphere of fear and suppress this issue from the public discourse." Back in February, Yona Yahav, mayor of the central Israeli city of Haifa, withdrew municipal funding for a Zochrot film festival about the Nakba. The event was scheduled to be held at the local cinema the week before Israel's Independence Day, marked this year on April 23, but it was cancelled in the end. The cancellation in Haifa followed a political uproar that surrounded a similar Zochrot film festival in Tel Aviv's public cinema in November 2014. The Tel Aviv Cinematheque came under fire from Israeli politicians after it was announced that it would be hosting the three-day film festival. In an Israeli Knesset session, parliamentarian Alex Miller, a member of the right-wing Yisrael Beytenu party, called the festival "a pathetic attempt by the Cinematheque to take advantage of its stage to support Israel's enemies that are looking for every way to undermine our sovereignty". Limor Livnat, then the culture and sports minister, asked the Ministry of Finance to withdraw the state's 250,000-shekel (around $64,000) financial contribution to the Cinematheque.[/quote] [url]http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/05/israel-nakba-palestine-150514080431980.html[/url]

This shit is really getting old

[QUOTE]at stone-throwing Palestinians in the West Bank[/QUOTE] Don't want to get tear gassed? Don't throw stones at innocent people. How do people not understand this?

[QUOTE=Monkah;47739753]Don't want to get tear gassed? Don't throw stones at innocent people. How do people not understand this?[/QUOTE] Did they throw the stones before the police/military action?

[QUOTE=SIRIUS;47739759]Did they throw the stones before the police/military action?[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Palestinians protested, some throwing stones, before clashes with the army erupted.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Monkah;47739753]Don't want to get tear gassed? Don't throw stones at innocent people. How do people not understand this?[/QUOTE] Israeli soldiers enforcing a military occupation aren't "innocent people".

[QUOTE=Lamar;47739821]Israeli soldiers enforcing a military occupation aren't "innocent people".[/QUOTE] theres literally a quote right above you that said that the IDF came in after stones were thrown.

[QUOTE=Lamar;47739821]Israeli soldiers enforcing a military occupation aren't "innocent people".[/QUOTE] So the way to fight the occupation is to try and kill the Israelis? Get real.

[QUOTE=Pantz Master;47739928]So the way to fight the occupation is to try and kill the Israelis? Get real.[/QUOTE] Resistance against soldiers who are enforcing a military occupation is legitimate means of fighting an occupation, Israeli soldiers are fair game.

[QUOTE=Lamar;47739976]Resistance against soldiers who are enforcing a military occupation is legitimate means of fighting an occupation, Israeli soldiers are fair game.[/QUOTE] snip, i change my mind

[QUOTE=SIRIUS;47739983]instigating violence never helps your cause[/QUOTE] Tell that to people who have lived their entire lives under military occupation. Tell that to the resistance fighters of WW2, tell that to the slaves of the Haitian Revolution.

[QUOTE=Lamar;47740010]Tell that to people who have lived their entire lives under military occupation. Tell that to the resistance fighters of WW2, tell that to the slaves of the Haitian Revolution.[/QUOTE] hmm... you have a point

these articles always lack so much information, protests can have multiple groups protesting, some with violence, others with none and yet get all lumped as a single one(happens a lot in brazil, when our police is beating the crap of teachers and other protesters). knowing both israel and palestine track record it could go either way.

[QUOTE=Lamar;47739976]Resistance against soldiers who are enforcing a military occupation is legitimate means of fighting an occupation, Israeli soldiers are fair game.[/QUOTE] resistance against soldiers == chucking stones at civilians, apparently. [QUOTE=Svinnik;47739845]theres literally a quote right above you that said that the IDF came in after stones were thrown.[/QUOTE] Why worry about silly things like [I]t[/I][I]he article[/I] when we could be busy circlejerking against Israel?

[QUOTE=Lamar;47740010]Tell that to people who have lived their entire lives under military occupation. Tell that to the resistance fighters of WW2, tell that to the slaves of the Haitian Revolution.[/QUOTE] But in this circumstance violence wasn't necessary

[QUOTE=Monkah;47740144]resistance against soldiers == chucking stones at civilians, apparently. Why worry about silly things like [I]t[/I][I]he article[/I] when we could be busy circlejerking against Israel?[/QUOTE] [quote]Israeli troops fired rubber bullets and tear gas grenades as Palestinians tried to approach their post, prompting the protesters to pelt the soldiers with stones, Palestinian security sources said.[/quote] Now, if you're referring to throwing stones at Jewish settlers, that is a legitimate means of resistance as well. Jewish settlers in the West Bank are essentially colonists and I don't believe they have any right to safety while they are there.

[QUOTE=Lamar;47739976]Resistance against soldiers who are enforcing a military occupation is legitimate means of fighting an occupation, Israeli soldiers are fair game.[/QUOTE] suppressing violent demonstrations using non-lethal methods like water cannons and rubber bullets is a legitimate method of quelling a riot. i don't understand the dumb empty point you're trying to make here

[QUOTE=Melnek;47740222]suppressing violent demonstrations using non-lethal methods like water cannons and rubber bullets is a legitimate method of quelling a riot. i don't understand the dumb empty point you're trying to make here[/QUOTE] [quote][b]Israeli troops fired rubber bullets and tear gas grenades as Palestinians tried to approach their post[/b], prompting the protesters to pelt the soldiers with stones, Palestinian security sources said. [/quote]

Wasn't aware rubber bullets were designed to kill and tear gas suffocated people.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;47740341]Wasn't aware rubber bullets were designed to kill and tear gas suffocated people.[/QUOTE] there was no "rioting", until Israeli soldiers fired rubber bullets and tear gas grenades at protesters. That was the whole point of bringing up the quote. [quote]Israeli troops fired rubber bullets and tear gas grenades as Palestinians tried to approach their post, prompting the protesters to pelt the soldiers with stones, Palestinian security sources said.[/quote]

[QUOTE=Lamar;47740651]there was no "rioting", until Israeli soldiers fired rubber bullets and tear gas grenades at protesters. That was the whole point of bringing up the quote.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]A spokeswoman for the Israeli army said soldiers had "escorted" up to 3,000 Jewish visitors to the tomb since Wednesday evening, and that a crowd of some 200 Palestinians had approached the area throwing stones and burning tyres.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Palestinians protested, some throwing stones, before clashes with the army erupted.[/QUOTE] Read the goddamn article before you post.

[QUOTE=Lamar;47740010]Tell that to people who have lived their entire lives under military occupation. Tell that to the resistance fighters of WW2, tell that to the slaves of the Haitian Revolution.[/QUOTE] Are you really comparing Israeli soldiers to Nazis occupying France?

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;47740341]Wasn't aware rubber bullets were designed to kill and tear gas suffocated people.[/QUOTE] Well to be fair, you actually have to shoot rubber bullets at the ground so they ricochet because they otherwise they are still pretty lethal in most cases. There's a lot of training that goes into using rubber bullets actually iirc. And tear gas can suffocate people. People with asthma especially are prone to advanced complications from pepper spray, tear gas, etc.. Is it better than them rolling up with normal bullets and launching grenades into the crowd, yes. But to call them completely non-lethal is a damn sad joke. Also not to justify their actions, but a gun firing a rubber bullet is still a gun firing, and to most people who haven't experienced the two enough to know the difference, it's really going to be the same reaction to being fired at with normal bullets. Especially in a place where people often seem to be exposed to fire fights with real bullets between Hamas and IDF.

[QUOTE=draugur;47740697]Well to be fair, you actually have to shoot rubber bullets at the ground so they ricochet because they otherwise they are still pretty lethal in most cases. There's a lot of training that goes into using rubber bullets actually iirc. And tear gas can suffocate people. People with asthma especially are prone to advanced complications from pepper spray, tear gas, etc.. Is it better than them rolling up with normal bullets and launching grenades into the crowd, yes. But to call them completely non-lethal is a damn sad joke. Also not to justify their actions, but a gun firing a rubber bullet is still a gun firing, and to most people who haven't experienced the two enough to know the difference, it's really going to be the same reaction to being fired at with normal bullets. Especially in a place where people often seem to be exposed to fire fights with real bullets between Hamas and IDF.[/QUOTE] It's not what it's designed for No where in the article does it claim that these were misused in any way like you said could be And nor were there any fatalities mentioned due to these measures.

[QUOTE=draugur;47740697]Also not to justify their actions, but a gun firing a rubber bullet is still a gun firing, and to most people who haven't experienced the two enough to know the difference, it's really going to be the same reaction to being fired at with normal bullets. Especially in a place where people often seem to be exposed to fire fights with real bullets between Hamas and IDF.[/QUOTE] people willing to throw rocks at people with guns are idiots, end of. i'd be fine with calling that 'suicide by soldier' just because of the sheer stupidity you'd have to possess to do something like that. no, you're not 'protesting'. no, you're not doing anything to make the situation any better for anybody-- you're just attacking a dude and getting yourself killed. [QUOTE=matt000024;47740678]Are you really comparing Israeli soldiers to Nazis occupying France?[/QUOTE] i don't think there's been a day that's gone by where lamar [I]hasn't[/I] compared Israel to Hitler in some way. im fairly certain he hasn't even read the article, but there's no time for things like [I]reading[/I] when we could be comparing a riot with nobody killed to the genocide of twelve million people, right guys?

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;47740723]It's not what it's designed for No where in the article does it claim that these were misused in any way like you said could be And nor were there any fatalities mentioned due to these measures.[/QUOTE] Fair enough then. I just figured it was worth mentioning that they are still dangerous. Edit: Honestly I'm thinking I'm just overly cautious of the topic but both replies to me feel like you guys are throwing me into some "us vs. them" thing here and I'd kindly ask you to leave me out of it if that's the case. Not everyone is either with or against you. Global conflicts aren't black and white, and I'm sure I don't and/or shouldn't have to remind you of that.

[QUOTE=matt000024;47740678]Are you really comparing Israeli soldiers to Nazis occupying France?[/QUOTE] You forgot you're talking to Lamar, check his post history.

[QUOTE=Monkah;47739753]Don't want to get tear gassed? Don't throw stones at innocent people. How do people not understand this?[/QUOTE] Because for some reason minorities, especially muslim are considered sacred by the white man