• Changes in Minecraft EULA prevent donator perks and features
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[URL="http://segmentnext.com/2014/06/06/mojang-restricting-minecraft-servers-to-make-money-change-in-eula-expected/"]source[/URL] [QUOTE]Mojang is restricting Pay to Win / Pay for Perks servers to operate as a business or make money by selling game features, perks or cosmetic skins or in-game titles. If you do not play on these custom servers, you won’t notice any chance but it is a huge setback for those operating Private Minecraft Servers. One of the guys behind PlayMindcrack.com and creator of Dwarves vs. Zombies shared his feelings about this recent change: [QUOTE][I]Erik not only wants that part dead, but the part where we gave titles, reserve slots and lobby items. He wants it to be 100% donation base and not allow us to give ANYTHING through the client even if it’s stuff we create. I have no idea how the bigger servers that pay people to answer support tickets, deal with hackers, develop content all as a hobby can exist if Mojang pushes the issue. My bet is they won’t.[/I][/QUOTE] Erik ‘Grum’ Broes is a Mojang developer actively involved with the Minecraft community. He is also of the opinion that Youtube isn’t behind Minecraft success and has asked community rather nicely to stop selling game features and stick to donations.[/QUOTE] So i havent played minecraft in months, but what they are doing is really stupid.
That's pretty retarded.
tbf, selling game features is retarded [editline]6th June 2014[/editline] I still disagree with this, but I see why he's doing it
How about you keep developing/fixing the game and stop trying to restrict what the community wants to do with it in their own time, Mojang? All this will do is kill off private servers that rely on such money making systems to stay online. Which I guess might be their end-goal if they're just trying to push Minecraft Realms?
while I don't like donation systems where you're given an advantage, this is still incredibly dumb. [editline]6th June 2014[/editline] Erik seems like a dumb person in general. I remember Notch explicitly stating Minecraft would never have become popular if it wasn't for Youtube.
Congratz Mojang you've graduated from small-time indie studio to a big-shot tech company, you've already perfected the art of fucking your fans over through the awesome power of legal documents!
Jeb posted this on /r/minecraft [IMG]http://i.cubeupload.com/mM1JMP.png[/IMG] [URL]http://www.reddit.com/r/Minecraft/comments/27ga86/psa_an_insight_into_the_minecraft_eula_issue/ci0m7zd[/URL] I agree with him when it comes to servers that are microtransaction riddled, but the EULA change will hit so many others. I wouldn't mind donating to support a server and get a nice title in return or anything similar to that. exclusive, fun perks that are not giving me an advantage too. not that I play that much minecraft anymore, but just to give an example.
Donation rewards isn't tax evasion-- donations are usually going to be taxed anyway unless someone manages to illegally get a no tax thing from the government. They have no reason to limit what server owners do if they need a source of income for what they do. You have no right to do this Mojang and people will simply ignore the EULA if you do it.
To be honest though, it's kinda bullshit to call buying features "donating". Like you're obviously selling a product (special privileges on a server), so you may as well present it as such
This actually really sad, I know a guy whos income mostly comes from a system like this on his server, it's really sad to see these changes.
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[QUOTE=Ericson666;45015525]To be honest though, it's kinda bullshit to call buying features "donating". Like you're obviously selling a product (special privileges on a server), so you may as well present it as such[/QUOTE] You're not going to find many people if any at all to donate without incentive. Hell even if donators got a place on a website you could say they're buying a place on it so thats silly.
Most of the problem lies with how Minecraft servers are and were pretty much on their own up until now for support, anti-hacking, and ID authentication. Plus I've never seen two servers that are the same, they all have completely different rules and such
related (long image) [t]http://i.imgur.com/sRMigAe.png[/t]
[QUOTE=Map in a box;45015540]You're not going to find many people if any at all to donate without incentive. Hell even if donators got a place on a website you could say they're buying a place on it so thats silly.[/QUOTE] Then say you're selling the perks instead of saying "it's a little gift for donating ;)"
[QUOTE=Ericson666;45015580]Then say you're selling the perks instead of saying "it's a little gift for donating ;)"[/QUOTE] Except it fits the definition of being a donation. You're giving money for a good cause and simply getting something back in return
[QUOTE=Map in a box;45015589]Except it fits the definition of being a donation. You're giving money for a good cause and simply getting something back in return[/QUOTE] No, you're giving them money in return for getting special perks or benefits on the server. That's p much buying them
[QUOTE=Ericson666;45015604]No, you're giving them money in return for getting special perks or benefits on the server. That's p much buying them[/QUOTE] Donating money doesn't prevent you from getting anything in return. The perks are more often then not just aesthetic, so while it is buying it's also donating because without the money the server wouldn't be up.
[QUOTE=Map in a box;45015540]Hell even if donators got a place on a website you could say they're buying a place on it so thats silly.[/QUOTE] you could but it wouldn't break the EULA since minecraft =/= independent website
Fucking Good. People used to abuse it because it was essentially P2W on the server.
You're going to see a huge drop in custom servers(e.g. those that make minecraft fun) once this change happens. [editline]6th June 2014[/editline] If you don't like those servers that have pay2win mechanics, don't play on it. Otherwise, don't ruin it for those that actually enjoy it.
[QUOTE=Map in a box;45015628]You're going to see a huge drop in custom servers(e.g. those that make minecraft fun) once this change happens.[/QUOTE] huge drop in toxic and elitist p2w servers maybe good riddance
Servers are incredibly expensive to run and this will end up in servers being forced to close down due to not being able to afford staying up. I can understand how scummy certain servers are and have been, but disallowing the system all together is going to prevent a lot of legitimate server hosts from being able to keep online. edit: Either way, I guess as long as people are still allowed to donate rather than buying stupid perks, some servers will be able to keep afloat. I don't know what they consider "perks" though, as some servers simply do minor stuff like give donator titles.
[QUOTE=Map in a box;45015460]Donation rewards isn't tax evasion-- donations are usually going to be taxed anyway unless someone manages to illegally get a no tax thing from the government. They have no reason to limit what server owners do if they need a source of income for what they do. You have no right to do this Mojang and people will simply ignore the EULA if you do it.[/QUOTE] Most of these guys are just taking donations into paypal, paying the server costs, and then spending the rest directly through paypal. They never report the income in my experience. It is also true that a lot of the donators are kids who sometimes don't have permission to give money to these people. Beyond that, there are dirty people involved as well. In one case an admin of a popular server had switched the paypal email with his own, and pocketed about $600 of donation money before he ran off. I'm glad something is being done, but I hate that this is what they chose to do.
He just killed off part of his games community, Another notch to his belt for stupidity. Maybe he's a fan of EA? After all he did start an "official servers" scheme like EA did with BF3\4
[QUOTE=frozensoda;45015669]Most of these guys are just taking donations into paypal, paying the server costs, and then spending the rest directly through paypal. They never report the income in my experience. It is also true that a lot of the donators are kids who sometimes don't have permission to give money to these people. Beyond that, there are dirty people involved as well. In one case an admin of a popular server had switched the paypal email with his own, and pocketed about $600 of donation money before he ran off. I'm glad something is being done, but I hate that this is what they chose to do.[/QUOTE] Paypal donations are taxed by default [editline]6th June 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Theportalmaster;45015662]Servers are incredibly expensive to run and this will end up in servers being forced to close down due to not being able to afford staying up. I can understand how scummy certain servers are and have been, but disallowing the system all together is going to prevent a lot of legitimate server hosts from being able to keep online. edit: Either way, I guess as long as people are still allowed to donate rather than buying stupid perks, some servers will be able to keep afloat. I don't know what they consider "perks" though, as some servers simply do minor stuff like give donator titles.[/QUOTE] Anything you can buy is a perk. No custom server is going to stay alive like this. Noones going to donate for nothing.
[QUOTE=RedStar;45015574]related (long image) [t]http://i.imgur.com/sRMigAe.png[/t][/QUOTE] Are they really selling "donator" status to people who pay 250+ dollars, that's fucking extortion.
I suppose servers could try selling shirts and mugs instead, aswell as advertise on their servers.
Garry needs to implement this on Gmod
[QUOTE=Shreddinger;45015855]Garry needs to implement this on Gmod[/QUOTE] Hell Yeah he should, Rust too.
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