• If the US election was held in Europe instead, Hillary Cllinton would win in a landslide - YouGov po
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[img]http://i.imgur.com/6o4hv4m.png[/img] [url]http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-elections/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-europe-vote-poll-a6964901.html[/url] [quote]If Europeans were the electorate for the US Presidential Election 2016, Hillary Clinton would beat Donald Trump by a landslide margin. Ms Clinton would take 46 per cent of the voters' support to just six per cent for Mr Trump – a 40 point lead, according to an average of YouGov's polls in Britain, Germany, France, Denmark, Sweden, Norway and Finland. Democratic candidate Bernie Sanders would beat Mr Trump into second place, with 14 per cent of Europeans saying they would vote for him if he was on the ballot. The polls suggest Republican candidate Ted Cruz would receive two per cent voters' support.[/quote]
Why.
Proof that European's hate socialism! We need to do away with government healthcare, get rid of EPA regulations hurting businesses, and bring religion back into politics!
Do many Europeans give that much of a shit about our election? Like do you guys actually pay much attention to our candidates and what they're doing and all that? Because I'm wondering if this is something that's generally an informed decision or not.
[QUOTE=Mister Sandman;50060779]Do many Europeans give that much of a shit about our election? Like do you guys actually pay much attention to our candidates and what they're doing and all that? Because I'm wondering if this is something that's generally an informed decision or not.[/QUOTE] Yeah it's like the Superbowl, we just have to watch and pretend to take part because Trump has turned it into a shitshow.
[QUOTE=Mister Sandman;50060779]Do many Europeans give that much of a shit about our election? Like do you guys actually pay much attention to our candidates and what they're doing and all that? Because I'm wondering if this is something that's generally an informed decision or not.[/QUOTE] US elections are big news in the UK yeah, everyone knows it's Clinton v Trump and Trump is a fucking manciac but (much like in the US til recently) Sanders is probably a lot less well-known
Why would Europeans be informed enough about the US election to make an informed decision.
I am absolutely positive that there is some error or fallacy in this statistic. Everybody that I have talked to views Sanders as the only positive outcome.
[QUOTE=plunger435;50060791]Why would Europeans be informed enough about the US election to make an informed decision.[/QUOTE] We care a lot Our newspapers follow the US elections closely That Clinton would win is probably because generally speaking people in Europe probably know even less about Bernie Sanders
[QUOTE=zupadupazupadude;50060802]We care a lot Our newspapers follow the US elections closely [B]That Clinton would win is probably because generally speaking people in Europe probably know even less about Bernie Sanders[/B][/QUOTE] Then that isn't informed.
Well, while Europe has an image of being leftist (it isn't), and the far-right has gotten some political power in recent years, it's centre-right politics that are pretty much dominant. So it makes sense why Europeans would prefer Clinton over Sanders, and definitely Trump.
So, Europe wants a criminal...again. I guess people tend to overlook her having classified emails on her personal Exchange server in her house. Real stand-up candidate right there (not).
[QUOTE=plunger435;50060815]Then that isn't informed.[/QUOTE] Well idfk, maybe Clinton is just a more familiar name The papers here do report on the US elections constantly though
[QUOTE=AaronM202;50060759]Why.[/QUOTE] Probably because (by in large) no one knows who the rest are; the Clinton name is well known and while Trump gets a lot of media attention, it isn't good media attention. The poll didn't ask how well respondents knew of each candidate and their views, so hard to say if that's accurate though.
At least where I live people really only know Hillary Clinton from name recognition. It's like buying a product and going for something a familiar brand instead of having done any research/knowing anything substantial about the subject matter. On the English-speaking net there's a lot of buzz around the American candidates, but for many people it's a situation too far away to give a toss about until the next American president ends up screwing them over somehow.
Not a very good poll if all of the issues the candidates for is not known.
That kind of polls are biased as fuck They should only leave a questionaire like "in a scale of 1 to 10, how important is X to you?" If everyone put 10 in tax cuts and kicking the refugees out, trump would win Eh, for the first time I can say Argentina is an example of that. We did a poll like I suggested some time ago: [url]http://www.yoquierosaber.org/#preguntasPasadas=[/url][271]
I'd say it's a name-recognition/gender/lack-of-information driven opinion. Average people in Europe probably don't see Bernie as a good candidate because he's an old white guy. I could be wrong, but I think Bernie would be the only candidate capable of running Europe. I'd consider the rest of them either too conservative or too radical.
My class was talking about the US elections last week (last day before easter hols, everyone just screwing around). Pretty unanimous that we didn't like Trump, apart from the two people who didn't know who he was. Bernie's name got about 4-5 people saying he's great, don't think the rest had heard of him. Clinton only got mentioned in passing, no interest there.
[QUOTE=Teddybeer;50060877]Well the selection you can pick from and the differences between them are minuscule compared to the average election in Europe.[/QUOTE] That aside, Europe wants another criminal instead of the other options. I mean really, the Democrat nomination will either be a socialist or a criminal. So take your pick, I guess.
[QUOTE=freakadella;50060794]I am absolutely positive that there is some error or fallacy in this statistic. Everybody that I have talked to views Sanders as the only positive outcome.[/QUOTE] YouGov produces shit results almost consistently; I definitely do not trust this.
[QUOTE=AaronM202;50060759]Why.[/QUOTE] I know why, my whole family made that abundantly clear; simply because news here only talk about the most successful candidates in each party [I]so far[/I], which have been Clinton and Trump. News agencies here barely talk about any other candidate, even Sanders. [editline]3rd April 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Mister Sandman;50060779]Do many Europeans give that much of a shit about our election? Like do you guys actually pay much attention to our candidates and what they're doing and all that? Because I'm wondering if this is something that's generally an informed decision or not.[/QUOTE] We're just curious about the most probable winner and seeing if they're an idiot or not. Europeans don't really care about your parties' inner feuds, including Clinton vs. Sanders.
I wonder what the sample size of this poll is. No-one I know here supports Clinton, it's all about Sanders.
[QUOTE=UnknownDude;50061192]I wonder what the sample size of this poll is. No-one I know here supports Clinton, it's all about Sanders.[/QUOTE] My guess is they polled a bunch of people and just threw the names at them, and the only ones that people generally recognised were Clinton and Trump (As the candidates with by far the highest overseas profile), and so voted for her. Although, with Europe's current swing to the right, it is entirely possible that Clinton is now genuinely palatable to a large section of the EU public, being a Centre-Right (at least) candidate by our standards. She's basically a UK Tory (Okay, so further right than centre right)
[QUOTE=Craigewan;50061208]My guess is they polled a bunch of people and just threw the names at them, and the only ones that people generally recognised were Clinton and Trump (As the candidates with by far the highest overseas profile), and so voted for her.[/QUOTE] I'm surprised Kasich even got 1%
[QUOTE=plunger435;50061218]I'm surprised Kasich even got 1%[/QUOTE] Probably some Christian Conservatives within the polled demographic, I find they tend to be more well versed on GOP candidates than others.
[QUOTE=Mister Sandman;50060779]Do many Europeans give that much of a shit about our election? Like do you guys actually pay much attention to our candidates and what they're doing and all that? Because I'm wondering if this is something that's generally an informed decision or not.[/QUOTE] Oh yes but sadly all we hear about is trump. I overheard two kids on a laptop where one of them asked the other one "who's donald trump?" and the other one answered "it's a news thing"
So uninformed voters vote for hillary?
[QUOTE=Mister Sandman;50060779]Do many Europeans give that much of a shit about our election? Like do you guys actually pay much attention to our candidates and what they're doing and all that? Because I'm wondering if this is something that's generally an informed decision or not.[/QUOTE] As an Austrian friend put it, they sort of can't afford to not care/not be informed, because of the sheer amount of influence America wields. These kinds of things affect a lot of the world indirectly, whether we like it or not.
[QUOTE=Mister Sandman;50060779]Do many Europeans give that much of a shit about our election? Like do you guys actually pay much attention to our candidates and what they're doing and all that? Because I'm wondering if this is something that's generally an informed decision or not.[/QUOTE] The president is called the most powerful person in the free world for a reason. In the UK especially we follow it fairly close, as a lot of policies can affect us in a roundabout way
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