Michael Moore: They Voted For A Guy Named ‘Hussein’ Twice, Trump Voters Are Not Racist
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[QUOTE]Michael Moore on Friday rejected the liberal narrative that Donald Trump voters are racist, pointing out that many of the people who voted for the president-elect also voted for President Obama in 2008 and 2012.
In a wide-ranging interview on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe,” Mr. Moore disagreed with another panelist’s claim that Mr. Trump’s election victory came from “deep racial animus” in America.
“You have to accept that millions of people who voted for Barack Obama, some of them once, some of them twice, changed their minds this time,” Mr. Moore said, the Daily Caller reported. “They’re not racist. They twice voted for a man whose middle name is Hussein. That’s the America you live in.”
Mr. Moore said voters are more concerned about jobs and putting food on their tables than race.
“People are trying to get by,” the liberal filmmaker said. “They’re living from paycheck to paycheck.”
Mr. Moore suggested that Bernie Sanders’ success in states like Michigan and Wisconsin, where Mr. Trump also performed well, was a sign that progressives needed to “take over the Democratic Party.”[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/nov/11/michael-moore-says-trump-voters-not-racist-they-tw/[/url]
Moore is one of the few guys on the left who actually get this election, unlike most the others who currently "at a loss for words". Here clearly explained this and gave specifics example a month ago (good watch):
[video=youtube;DHBrLv_3qVM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHBrLv_3qVM[/video]
At the core of things is the fact that the DNC has been taken over by fearmongers, crybullies, and actual bigots who subdivide the various groups that make up America and try to figure out the optimal strategy to segregationally pander to them.
[QUOTE=Grimhound;51362135]At the core of things is the fact that the DNC has been taken over by [B]fearmongers[/B][/QUOTE]
There are some bad Mexicans out there
ISIS want to kill us
China is taking our jobs
Really?
[QUOTE=DogGunn;51362151]There are some bad Mexicans out there
ISIS want to kill us
China is taking our jobs
Really?[/QUOTE]
Saying something bad about one side doesn't mean the other isn't guilty of it. I'll have you know I voted for Maleficent this past election.
[QUOTE=DogGunn;51362151]There are some bad Mexicans out there
ISIS want to kill us
China is taking our jobs
Really?[/QUOTE]
"If Trump is elected he's going to take away the rights of minorities"
That sort of pandering is the fearmongering currently supported by the Left
[QUOTE=Grimhound;51362158]Saying something bad about one side doesn't mean the other isn't guilty of it. I'll have you know I voted for Maleficent this past election.[/QUOTE]
The GOP and Trumps election was based around fearmongering. That isn't a reason why, in the plethora of reasons, that Clinton lost the election.
I honestly can't think of too too much fearmongering from the dem's side, any examples?
I really hate Moore but he certainly hit the nail on the head here.
I find this argument weird. While I think the narrative that Trump voters are racist is stupid considering the fact that Trump received even fewer votes than McCain did in 2008 I don't really think a large part of his voter base is made up of Obama supporters, at least not enough for it to be relevant.
[QUOTE=Mining Bill;51362166]I honestly can't think of too too much fearmongering from the dem's side, any examples?[/QUOTE]
donald trump will literally actually send out death squads to kill minorities in the streets
[QUOTE=Mining Bill;51362166]I honestly can't think of too too much fearmongering from the dem's side, any examples?[/QUOTE]
Any of the reactions from the elections thread here on Facepunch.
People legitimately acted like Trump getting elected will practically instantly remove eight years of social progress and turn America into a KKK wasteland.
Then there's the plethora of tumblrites and twitter idiots saying they were [B][I]LITERALLY SHAKING[/I][/B] as Trump started to beat Clinton
[QUOTE=Mining Bill;51362166]I honestly can't think of too too much fearmongering from the dem's side, any examples?[/QUOTE]
People who treat Trump as literally Hitler Satan '16
[editline]12th November 2016[/editline]
Everyone just needs to tone the rhetoric down 10 degrees. Both sides are currently insufferable.
[QUOTE=OvB;51362191]People who treat Trump as literally Hitler Satan '16
[editline]12th November 2016[/editline]
Everyone just needs to tone the rhetoric down 10 degrees. Both sides are currently insufferable.[/QUOTE]
All the people who think Trump is going to build concentration camps or something.
[QUOTE=Judas;51362171]donald trump will literally actually send out death squads to kill minorities in the streets[/QUOTE]
Shaking RN
[QUOTE=Anderan;51362170]I find this argument weird. While I think the narrative that Trump voters are racist is stupid considering the fact that Trump received even fewer votes than McCain did in 2008 I don't really think a large part of his voter base is made up of Obama supporters, at least not enough for it to be relevant.[/QUOTE]
In states like wisconsin and michigan counties that voted for Obama in 2012 and 2008 were shown to have flipped to Trump during this Election Cycle. Same with Pennsylvania and NC iirc, hence the whole narrative that Former Obama supporters voted for trump
Not all Trump supporters are racist shits but this is a pretty shit argument. You can still be racist and vote for Obama, much like how you can still be racist and have black friends :suicide:.
This is the data he's using, it was linked in the article.
[t]http://i.imgur.com/yQ16xCE.png[/t]
This graph is probably one of the worst graphs I've ever seen and they should fire whoever made it, but here is the data because I can hardly read it.
I don't think Trump is a racist, sexist, or a misogynist. I think he's 100% unfiltered crude asshole. I don't think he's going to put muslims, blacks and gays in camps. If you're propagating these things you're as bad as conservatives that thought Obama was a Kenyan Terrorist. There's no more middle ground rational thought in the US anymore.
It's also worth noting that white democrats are just as bigoted as white republicans. Republicans are more racist overall but by margins from 1% to 10%.
[url]http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-many-of-trumps-supporters-really-are-deplorable/[/url]
[t]http://i.imgur.com/wdegzuG.png[/t][t]http://i.imgur.com/ORDTudK.png[/t][t]http://i.imgur.com/91daKRI.png[/t]
Data might need to be updated since it's data from 2012
I dont think trump is racist, he's just pandering to what people fear. People in america fear migrants and muslims, and he hit the nail on the head by pandering to that. Now, people can be rightfully afraid (not to the whole literally shaking gonna kill myself/move to canada right this fucking moment, like what my mom was like until I calmed her down) of things like lgbt rights since the republican party and the current vp (who trump said would have a lot of power) as a whole are against lgbt rights, but otherwise, meh.
However, you can't go and say that trump voters aren't racist, as a majority. When you have white supremacist groups coming out of the woodwork all across the USA to support him, that's the textbook definition. There are a lot of 'deplorables' on trumps side, but there's a lot of fearmongering about 'literally orange hitler' on the other side.
Really, America didn't want the status quo. America doesn't want the status quo. They want things to get better. They want new ideas and bold initiatives and people enthusiastic about broad, elaborate plans. Sure, Trump's broad, elaborate plans generally toe the line between agreeable and evil, but they're sure as fuck bold.
If you want to run a Presidential candidate, it should be someone that doesn't come off as a cold, corrupt panderbot reading from a script. You need someone with fire. Someone with passion and idealism. Someone who gives a fuck and genuinely seems to want to make things better.
And beside, as mentioned the voter turnout was abysmal. It wasn't racism that won Trump the election. It was apathy.
I think Michael much like jonathon pie is right
[QUOTE=Native Hunter;51362159]"If Trump is elected he's going to take away the rights of minorities"
That sort of pandering is the fearmongering currently supported by the Left[/QUOTE]
Can you respond to Trump's various statements about minorities without mentioning the left?
Apathy on the dem side and energy on the repub side is what gave us Trump.
My father is a lifelong Republican and has never voted democrat once in his life, and even he acknowledges Bernie would've won if he was the nominee because it's plain obvious he had the energy and passion to counter Trump.
[QUOTE=DogGunn;51362151]There are some bad Mexicans out there
ISIS want to kill us
China is taking our jobs
Really?[/QUOTE]
The important thing to note here is those are foreign issues, targets, or problems, outside of the US, involving people who arent in the US or arent from the US, causing problems for people in the US.
Ignore how stupid, asinine, or wrong those arguments are for a second and consider that the fearmongering was primarily about foreign powers on the trump side, while the fearmongering was primarily about trump himself for the clinton side. Thats the difference.
[QUOTE=ArchXeno;51362261]Can you respond to Trump's various statements about minorities without mentioning the left?[/QUOTE]
My response was how there is fearmongering among democrats, so for the sake of that post no I could not as it was relevent. But otherwise yes I can, many of Trump's statements in the past are ridiculously xenophobic and crazy for sure however him backpeddling on most of it gives me reason to suspect that we need to wait and see how his presidency goes before we start going into panic mode about a Trump Presidency.
[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;51362213]Not all Trump supporters are racist shits but this is a pretty shit argument. You can still be racist and vote for Obama, much like how you can still be racist and have black friends :suicide:.[/QUOTE]
I'm pretty sure that the fact Obama was black would be a better example of people not being racist than his middle name being Hussein anyways, lol.
[QUOTE=Native Hunter;51362206]In states like wisconsin and michigan counties that voted for Obama in 2012 and 2008 were shown to have flipped to Trump during this Election Cycle. Same with Pennsylvania and NC iirc, hence the whole narrative that Former Obama supporters voted for trump[/QUOTE]
But that's just states, not the actual voters. There isn't really anything to suggest that Obama supporters voted specifically for Trump unless there's some poll I missed, but there's a lot of reasons as to why states voted the way they did. Compared to previous years, Trump is a much stronger candidate and had a higher turnout among republicans and many democratic/moderate voters either stayed at home or voted third party, which lead to a smaller turnout for clinton and ate some of her votes (not by much, but more than previous years).
Voter demographics for 2016 compared to 2008 are pretty similar, in both years only 10% of liberals voted for the republican candidate.
[QUOTE=cdr248;51362311]But that's just states, not the actual voters. There isn't really anything to suggest that Obama supporters voted specifically for Trump unless there's some poll I missed, but there's a lot of reasons as to why states voted the way they did. Compared to previous years, Trump is a much stronger candidate and had a higher turnout among republicans and many democratic/moderate voters either stayed at home or voted third party, which lead to a smaller turnout for clinton and ate some of her votes (not by much, but more than previous years).
Voter demographics for 2016 compared to 2008 are pretty similar, in both years only 10% of liberals voted for the republican candidate.[/QUOTE]
Very true, I was going off of the state results by counties changing from blue to red in flipped states. But you are correct that does not represent the vast amount of Obama Supporters, if it did more stayes in the NE would've flipped as well. I concede that point to you sir.
He may be right about this, but as a rule I think it's best to just pretend that Michael Moore doesn't exist. The dude is, generally speaking, an aggressive, disingenuous propagandist. Left wing Alex Jones, basically.
Seeing his name in the news so much lately has been a minor tragedy in itself.
[QUOTE=Native Hunter;51362159]"If Trump is elected he's going to take away the rights of minorities"
That sort of pandering is the fearmongering currently supported by the Left[/QUOTE]
to be fair, pence has declared he wants to revert the gay marriage law asap. so at least there's some base to that.
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