Egypt swears in Mansour as interim leader after Morsi ousted
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[td]The top judge of Egypt's Constitutional Court, Adly Mahmud Mansour, has been sworn in as interim leader, hours after the army ousted President Mohammed Morsi and put him under house arrest.
Mr Mansour praised the armed forces and the Egyptian people, saying the era of "worship of the ruler" should end.
Mr Morsi, Egypt's first freely elected leader, is under house arrest after what he says was a military coup.
The army said he had "failed to meet the demands of the people".[/td]
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Mr Mansour said new elections were "the only
way for a brighter future"
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[url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-23176401[/url]
Now we wait and see if he turns out worse.
[QUOTE]Mr Mansour praised the armed forces and the Egyptian people, saying the era of "worship of the ruler" should end.
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I couldn't agree with him more.
Where's that V for Vendetta quote
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Ah
here it is
[I]People should not be afraid of their governments. Governments should be afraid of their people.[/I]
Okay, I get it, the quote is stupid.
Sorry guys
Why are those liberals celebrating? The military just token over their country and kick out the democratically elected president. Even if you don't like the president, having a coup is not good at all. I
But it's ok he said he is on the people's side.
Morsi neuters the court, so now the head of the court takes the place of Morsi.
Sweet irony.
[QUOTE=Iago;41313245]Why are those liberals celebrating? The military just token over their country and kick out the democratically elected president. Even if you don't like the president, having a coup is not good at all. I
But it's ok he said he is on the people's side.[/QUOTE]
The difference is is that Morsi was ready to abolish everything that had to do with democracy and was prepared to instate an iron-fist rule.
Aww military jets have drawn heart shapes in the sky
[img]http://imgkk.com/i/-665.jpg[/img]
Democracy confirmed
looks more like they were trying to draw a cock and balls but only managed the latter
[QUOTE=smurfy;41313527]Aww military jets have drawn heart shapes in the sky
[img]http://imgkk.com/i/-665.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
The worlds biggest teabagging
yay for democratic process
oh wait
[QUOTE=Liem;41313171]I couldn't agree with him more.
Where's that V for Vendetta quote
[editline]4th July 2013[/editline]
Ah
here it is
[I]People should not be afraid of their governments. Governments should be afraid of their people.[/I][/QUOTE]
stop quoting this please
it's just like the whole ~~~a million is statistic look how deep and knowledgeable i am~~~ except its from a silly movie
[QUOTE=evilweazel;41313587]stop quoting this please
it's just like the whole ~~~a million is statistic look how deep and knowledgeable i am~~~ except its from a silly movie[/QUOTE]
It's actually a relevant quote, sure it's a bit ~[I]Artsy[/I]~ but it gets the point across
[QUOTE=Liem;41313607]It's actually a relevant quote, sure it's a bit ~[I]Artsy[/I]~ but it gets the point across[/QUOTE]
its completely pseudo-intellectual
[QUOTE=NoDachi;41313581]yay for democratic process
oh wait[/QUOTE]
Well, except following the popular will of the people is pretty much the definition of democracy.
"1. government by the people; a form of government in which [b]the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised directly by them[/b] or by their elected agents under a free electoral system. "
I think the people excercised their power pretty directly in this case, no?
[QUOTE=Craigewan;41313794]Well, except following the popular will of the people is pretty much the definition of democracy.
"1. government by the people; a form of government in which [b]the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised directly by them[/b] or by their elected agents under a free electoral system. "
I think the people excercised their power pretty directly in this case, no?[/QUOTE]
Democratic process, which this was hardly.
[QUOTE=Craigewan;41313794]Well, except following the popular will of the people is pretty much the definition of democracy.
"1. government by the people; a form of government in which [b]the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised directly by them[/b] or by their elected agents under a free electoral system. "
I think the people excercised their power pretty directly in this case, no?[/QUOTE]
Sorry for not believing that the military should have the right / ability to interfere in democratic processes. Especially one that quite happily propped up a dictator for decades and then struggled to claim direct power for themselves.
It's only been a couple of years since the military almost stalled the entire revolution for personal gain. Hence why even Morsi was the best possible outcome back then.
[QUOTE=NoDachi;41313623]its completely pseudo-intellectual[/QUOTE]
yea except not really because its a completely valid point
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it's not entirely relevant in this situation but that doesn't make the quote itself obsolete
[QUOTE=Craigewan;41313794]Well, except following the popular will of the people is pretty much the definition of democracy.
"1. government by the people; a form of government in which [b]the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised directly by them[/b] or by their elected agents under a free electoral system. "
I think the people excercised their power pretty directly in this case, no?[/QUOTE]
Those tanks were filled with civilians?
[QUOTE=Lord of Ears;41313918]yea except not really because its a completely valid point
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it's not entirely relevant in this situation but that doesn't make the quote itself obsolete[/QUOTE]
It is obsolete because even dictatorships are scared of their people. That is why they act the way they do.
[QUOTE=NoDachi;41313956]It is obsolete because even dictatorships are scared of their people. That is why they act the way they do.[/QUOTE]
i'd say the people are a bit more scared of the government than the government is of the people in that situation
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;41313948]Those tanks were filled with civilians?[/QUOTE]
Last I checked the streets of nearly every major city were filled with civilians calling for what the Military did.
I'd rather a military that bowed to the pretty loud voices of the people, than a government out of touch with the will of the people. Because a government out of touch with what the people want is no longer a democratic one.
Let's just hope this doesn't turn sour.
[QUOTE=Craigewan;41313979]Last I checked the streets of nearly every major city were filled with civilians calling for what the Military did.
I'd rather a military that bowed to the pretty loud voices of the people, than a government out of touch with the will of the people. Because a government out of touch with what the people want is no longer a democratic one.[/QUOTE]
No it was still a democratic government, it was elected as such and remained one until yesterday. What the military did was not democratic in any way.
[QUOTE=Lord of Ears;41313976]i'd say the people are a bit more scared of the government than the government is of the people in that situation[/QUOTE]
okay I'll probably disagree since in most situations people just try to get on with life regardless of how shit things are
but lets imagine everyone is scared okay
so maybe levels of scaredness are not relevant at all
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[QUOTE=The golden;41314008]Can't be any worse than the heavily biased pro-Muslim plans that Morsi had in store for Egypt.[/QUOTE]
Morsi was disliked by the islamists for being too moderate
[QUOTE=Craigewan;41313979]Last I checked the streets of nearly every major city were filled with civilians calling for what the Military did.
I'd rather a military that bowed to the pretty loud voices of the people, than a government out of touch with the will of the people. Because a government out of touch with what the people want is no longer a democratic one.[/QUOTE]
So is the US gov but I don't see anybody celebrating a military coup on Obama like a bunch of lemonades.
I think the BBC did a good analyst on why overthrowing a democratic Islamist is a dumb idea.
[quote]The ousting of Egypt's President Morsi and the Muslim Brotherhood after just one year in power may have been greeted with euphoria by their opponents, but the celebrations are likely to be short-lived. This is a dangerous moment, not just for Egypt but for the wider Middle East.
Deposing a democratically elected Islamist leader and suspending the constitution will be interpreted by many political Islamists as sending a blunt message: it doesn't necessarily pay to choose the ballot over the bullet.
There is a terrifying precedent here, in Algeria. In 1991 the Islamist party FIS won the first round of elections. Days later the president, under pressure from the secular military, dissolved parliament and annulled the elections.
Algeria's Islamist movement went underground and there followed a decade of insurgency in which more than 250,000 people lost their lives.
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Ever since, there has been an ongoing debate in certain circles of political Islam over whether it is worth bothering to bid for power legitimately through the ballot box, or whether opposing secular rulers through violence and seizing power - as advocated by jihadist groups - is the only practical option.
When the Arab Spring protest movement overthrew the corrupt and discredited government of Egypt's President Mubarak in 2011, and elections replaced it with the Muslim Brotherhood, this was a serious blow to al-Qaeda and the jihadists. It showed the world there was a future for political Islam through peaceful, democratic means.
Events in Cairo this week now risk undermining that logic.[/quote]
[url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-23184605[/url]
[QUOTE=NoDachi;41314275]I think the BBC did a good analyst on why overthrowing a democratic Islamist is a dumb idea.
[url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-23184605[/url][/QUOTE]
Was just about to post this. While it's great that the military appears to support its people, if the military can at topple the government whenever they feel it's necessary then having democracy in the first place is essentially meaningless. It might be seen as a positive thing in this case but what if the next democratically elected president also gets removed by the military regardless of what the people think? A stable democracy might never happen if the idea perpetuates that you can just pull a coup whenever you're mildly dissatisfied with the way things are, rather than voting.
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Oh boy, I couldn't wait for Egypt to turn into another islamist sharia law run state with executions and imprisonment.
Dont worry, the people voted for it, that makes it right.
[QUOTE=Im Crimson;41314507]Was just about to post this. While it's great that the military appears to support its people, if the military can at topple the government whenever they feel it's necessary then having democracy in the first place is essentially meaningless. It might be seen as a positive thing in this case but what if the next democratically elected president also gets removed by the military regardless of what the people think? A stable democracy might never happen if the idea perpetuates that you can just pull a coup whenever you're mildly dissatisfied with the way things are, rather than voting.[/QUOTE]
The fact that they are celebrating the fact they have no say in this is what brothers me.
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[QUOTE=tr00per7;41314596]Oh boy, I couldn't wait for Egypt to turn into another islamist sharia law run state with executions and imprisonment.
Dont worry, the people voted for it, that makes it right.[/QUOTE]
They were protesting about how Morsy was trying to become a absolute power and want him out but then the military took power and shut down Pro-Morsy TV station
Now they are celebrating how "free" they are because the military saids they are on the peoples sides.
I don't trust or like either of them.
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