Venezuelan government seizes total control through sham election - Polidicks

[quote]Electoral officials in Venezuela say turnout in the controversial election for a constituent assembly was 41.5%, a figure disputed by the opposition. The opposition coalition said 88% of voters abstained and it refused to recognise the election. It also called for more protests on Monday. [img]https://ichef-1.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/1223/production/_97134640_b241e5ab-693f-46cb-9099-9339335e2a37.jpg[/img] Sunday's election was marred by violence, with widespread protests and at least 10 people killed. President Nicolás Maduro hailed the poll as a "vote for the revolution".[/quote] To be specific as to why the 8 million votes figure is fraudulent: Nicolas Maduro has 20% approval rate, the constituent assembly had less of a 15% support rate, Maduro himself was elected with about 7.1 million votes (in 2013), and on the latest election, which PSUV lost, they got 5.4 million votes. They're claiming to have beaten previous turnout records while the country is in the deepest crisis it has ever been in its entire history. What does all this mean for the Venezuelan people? The constituent assembly is intended to replace all public powers and the constitution. It effectively means that the government now has seized control over the rightfully elected parliament, it also means they're able to rule by decree. It is the establishment of a formal dictatorship. [B] Sources:[/B] [url=http://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-40772531]BBC[/url] [url=https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/the_americas/defying-international-calls-venezuela-holds-contentious-election/2017/07/30/be3cd614-7089-11e7-8c17-533c52b2f014_story.html]WaPo[/url] [url=https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jul/31/venezuela-poll-eu-condemns-violence-as-turnout-figure-disputed]The Guardian[/url]

I expect this is the tipping point into a bloody coup. Doing nothing now allows the bastard to solidify his position.

It's hard to predict what will happen next. Trump seemingly had a set of sanctions lined up, and it seems like every democracy in the continent is against this election. It also makes it impossible to deny that the government is a dictatorship. The possibility of things spiralling into civil war has, in my mind, become reality for the first time.

[QUOTE=Big Bang;52525133]It's hard to predict what will happen next. Trump seemingly had a set of sanctions lined up, and it seems like every democracy in the continent is against this election. It also makes it impossible to deny that the government is a dictatorship. The possibility of things spiralling into civil war has, in my mind, become reality for the first time.[/QUOTE] To be honest I had the feeling it was inevitable for a while. Hopefully it's quick and doesn't lead to a protracted bloody war.

From what I'm reading, police are using live munitions in several cities at the moment. Hopefully some of them are still loyal to the people, and switch sides.

Whatever is going to happen the Venezuelan people are going to suffer for a long time, and I forsee the international community once again doing little to alleviate the situation.

[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;52525170]Whatever is going to happen the Venezuelan people are going to suffer for a long time, and I forsee the international community once again doing little to alleviate the situation.[/QUOTE] If anything, Venezuela is going to become the wetdream of drug runners and cartels. We are going to see some nasty warlordism if the international community refuses to intervene.

Maduro scanned his "voter card" or whatever its called on live TV and it showed "This card is either annulled or this person doesn't exist" lol fucking bastard needs to get out already

[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;52525164]From what I'm reading, police are using live munitions in several cities at the moment. Hopefully some of them are still loyal to the people, and switch sides.[/QUOTE] They're heartless crooks. They're loyal to nobody but themselves, and serve only as repressive wing of the dictatorship, doing nothing to stop actual criminals. When this is all over, they will go to trial, the entire lot of them.

When the whole election is literally rigged and you still can't get turnout above the low fourties lol [editline]31st July 2017[/editline] Like even their fake-ass turnout would be alarmingly low for such an important assembly

[QUOTE=Bob The Knob;52525309]When the whole election is literally rigged and you still can't get turnout above the low fourties lol [editline]31st July 2017[/editline] Like even their fake-ass turnout would be alarmingly low for such an important assembly[/QUOTE] They allowed people to vote anywhere they wanted, seemingly without implementing any measures to prevent people from voting twice. In all previous elections you had a set machine you were supposed to vote on, and you had to sign a book which already had your information written in it, to prove that there was no way you could vote twice (Hypothetically people could vote [I]for[/I] you still, but that's harder to prove). None of those measures existed for this election. They didn't even have witnesses. The number of votes is nothing but a fucking sham.

[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;52525164]From what I'm reading, police are using live munitions in several cities at the moment. Hopefully some of them are still loyal to the people, and switch sides.[/QUOTE] I don't have much sympathy for anybody that protects a dictatorship and uses live ammo on protester. The police over there is fair game.

Surely there HAS to be some form of international intervention? A dictatorship is literally being built right now in front of everyone, lives are on the line and people are already dying, the worlds leaders can't just ignore this and twiddle their thumbs? How the fuck can the we just let this happen on such a huge scale and do nothing, what is the procedure for this?

[QUOTE=madmanmad;52525580]Surely there HAS to be some form of international intervention? A dictatorship is literally being built right now in front of everyone, lives are on the line and people are already dying, the worlds leaders can't just ignore this and twiddle their thumbs? How the fuck can the we just let this happen on such a huge scale and do nothing, what is the procedure for this?[/QUOTE] Foreign interventions are the easy part, building a stable democracy is VERY difficult. And given the last several decades of the middle east and what the results of US meddling in South America have been, I don't think anyone wants to bite.

A foreign occupation to "restore democracy" would not be good for Venezuela. A military occupation is functionally a dictatorship, and would do the same amount of damage in the long-term, if not more. Not just materially, but it's also to preserve cultural knowledge of democracy - that's why post-WW2 Germany rebuilt into a functional democracy pretty quickly, while post-invasion Iraq is still a mess, because people in Germany knew from experience how you're supposed to live in a free country, while very few people in Iraq do. The thing to do, I think, is support the revolution once it starts. Make sure that the civil war is won by the good guys, or at least, the least bad guys possible. A surgical embargo, blocking only the government and officers thereof, would also be effective - a general embargo hurts the masses and the general economy, not something we'd want.

Even a best case civil war/coup would probably be pretty nasty afterwards. Maduro, or at least the legacy of Chavez still have some very die-hard supporters. There'd likely be another FARC essentially. Venezuela's probably not going to be a nice country for a couple of decades.

[QUOTE=download;52525136]To be honest I had the feeling it was inevitable for a while. Hopefully it's quick and doesn't lead to a protracted bloody war.[/QUOTE] It had plenty of chances to stop, but to everyone's horror it plowed past each moment to turn to a better solution. And now we've hit the final destination of this train - dictatorship.

[QUOTE=thelurker1234;52525591]Foreign interventions are the easy part, building a stable democracy is VERY difficult. And given the last several decades of the middle east and what the results of US meddling in South America have been, I don't think anyone wants to bite.[/QUOTE] We did it with Japan and Germany after the war and they turned out great. Don't know how we fucked up horribly after that. I guess we do better when we try to turn a country into a powerful ally instead of a vassal state

[QUOTE=Dr.C;52525652]We did it with Japan and Germany after the war and they turned out great. Don't know how we fucked up horribly after that. I guess we do better when we try to turn a country into a powerful ally instead of a vassal state[/QUOTE] It's because we gave them a shitton of money and also we had a shitton of money to give them

[QUOTE=Dr.C;52525652]We did it with Japan and Germany after the war and they turned out great. Don't know how we fucked up horribly after that. I guess we do better when we try to turn a country into a powerful ally instead of a vassal state[/QUOTE] I don't see any reason to intervene in Venezuela yet because they have an official oposition in government,open borders and only if they use tanks and army against protesters then it will be a reason to occupy it,however you didn't use your army against NK and China in 1989 so I doubt it will happen when the US has Trump.

Oh yeah I forgot this gem. Maduro tried to vote for this and his ID card came up as annulled, yet they went on as if the process happened correctly. (Freeze frame at 1:21). That's how much of a fraud this shit was. [video=youtube;hri-UdU_oAE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hri-UdU_oAE[/video]

as expected, dumbass tankies and north korea supporters on twitter are saying the election was completely true and the people fully support maduro and the opposition are all fascists.

[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;52526224]as expected, dumbass tankies and north korea supporters on twitter are saying the election was completely true and the people fully support maduro and the opposition are all fascists.[/QUOTE]There was a Finnish Community Party rally near a shopping centre in Helsinki a couple of months ago, basically spending their time sucking off Maduro and waving red banners to a couple handfuls of people. Dude's about as Communist as Milton Friedman, and as pure and people-facing as Al Capone, yet you've still got dumbasses supporting someone who'd make Marx shit blood in anger.

[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;52526224]as expected, dumbass tankies and north korea supporters on twitter are saying the election was completely true and the people fully support maduro and the opposition are all fascists.[/QUOTE] Where do you find these people that support NK?We have only one guy in Russia who supports North Korea officially aside from small part of communists and his name is Aleksandr Prokhanov(google him) who says some shit about cosmo-communism,beautiful NK and always insult his opponents on TV.

[QUOTE=Sgt Doom;52526665]as pure and people-facing as Al Capone[/QUOTE] Capone was actually pretty popular here in Chicago, up until the St. Valentine's Day Massacre :v:

[QUOTE=AmberFox;52526738]Where do you find these people that support NK?We have only one guy in Russia who supports North Korea officially aside from small part of communists and his name is Aleksandr Prokhanov(google him) who says some shit about cosmo-communism,beautiful NK and always insult his opponents on TV.[/QUOTE] they're nobody important, just some idiots on twitter that occasionally get retweeted into my timeline. you can find a bunch of them if you search "juche" or "dprk" on twitter.

[QUOTE=AmberFox;52526738]Where do you find these people that support NK?We have only one guy in Russia who supports North Korea officially aside from small part of communists and his name is Aleksandr Prokhanov(google him) who says some shit about cosmo-communism,beautiful NK and always insult his opponents on TV.[/QUOTE] r/communism and r/socialism

[QUOTE=AmberFox;52526738]Where do you find these people that support NK?We have only one guy in Russia who supports North Korea officially aside from small part of communists and his name is Aleksandr Prokhanov(google him) who says some shit about cosmo-communism,beautiful NK and always insult his opponents on TV.[/QUOTE] A lot of formerly moderate socialist groups are starting to allow Jucheists in because "Communist atrocities are still better than capitalist atrocities." Juche is just Stalinism without the anti-semitism.

I'm not sure if an intervention from the United States would be a great idea. I mean, a lot of people still see the US as the 1# Intervencionist due to the actions taken during the Cold War to stop the influence of socialism in the region. Furthermore, trying to put troops on the ground will justify the whole rhetoric of "US bad us good!!!" Maduro spews on a daily basis. Hell, even if any other Latin America country tries to do something, he will say "you US lapdog! Get out of here!" followed by a horrible montage straight from a Youtube Poop video. This "election" is the last straw for every other country on the area (Maduro called our President something along the line of "fascist pig" or "stop meddling in my shit"). So, he is most likely to be hated by every other politician... Except some extremely dense ones. A coup d' Etat or Civil War will become bloody. As far as I know, there's a guerrilla/militia/armed individuals with support from the Maduro Regime to act upon force and violence to exert their ideals upon the population. To be honest I don't see what one can do. If Maduro Regime falls, the support for his shite will not stop. If the continues, the Oposición will still ensure his dictatorship as a hell for him. If any other country tries to meddle the "intervencionist" rhetoric will become true.

Freedom will always be fought for with the lives of innocent people. If you want to live in a free world and have your kids be free then you or your neighbors will have to die fighting for it. It's a fact of life in these situations and nothing can change that fact.