Canadian House of Commons passes anti-Islamophobia motion - Polidicks

[QUOTE][URL]http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/m-103-islamophobia-motion-vote-1.4038016[/URL][/QUOTE] [QUOTE]"Liberals rejected an attempt by Saskatchewan Conservative MP David Anderson to remove the word "Islamophobia" from the motion and change the wording to "condemn all forms of systemic racism, religious intolerance and discrimination of Muslims, Jews, Christians, Sikhs, Hindus and other religious communities."[/QUOTE] Insert Orwell cries himself to sleep picture [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Editorialised title again - its a motion not a law!" - Reagy))[/highlight]

Oh cool. I'm glad I live in Canada

[quote]The House of Commons has passed M-103, a non-binding motion condemning Islamophobia and religious discrimination.[/quote] Department of Redundancy Department. I don't think this actually matters though. It's just some bad wording and a conservative being pedantic about it.

I fail to see this as a problem. With Isis, the refugee crisis, and the recent US election I feel like Islamaphobia has been on the rise.

[QUOTE=spazthemax;52005839]I fail to see this as a problem. With Isis, the refugee crisis, and the recent US election I feel like Islamaphobia has been on the rise.[/QUOTE] It's been on the rise since 9/11

Doesn't really matter if islamophobia is mentioned as it falls under "all other forms of systemic racism and discrimination" I wouldn't be fine with some religions getting more protection under the law than others

[QUOTE=Talishmar;52005855]Doesn't really matter if islamophobia is mentioned as it falls under "all other forms of systemic racism and discrimination" I wouldn't be fine with some religions getting more protection under the law than others[/QUOTE] [B]THIS.[/B] The law would have been amazing if they hadn't refused to include other religions/beliefs in it. Its very clearly biased. [editline]24th March 2017[/editline] Good thing it still includes the others tho

One very important distinction in our government that non locals might not know is that this is only a motion, not a bill. It is not law, its only been recognized by the House of Commons as legible to become a bill/law.

I'd like it to become law tbh but i'd prefer the wording changed then again i'm the UK not Canada so god speed Canadians, hope you get what you'd like

[QUOTE=AutismoPiggo;52005880]I'd like it to become law tbh but i'd prefer the wording changed then again i'm the UK not Canada so god speed Canadians, hope you get what you'd like[/QUOTE] The thing about this law is that all of what it covers is already covered in the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms. All m-103 does is cause more division. It's there to "protect" people of Islamic faith but all it really does is put people on a pedestal. This motion, if it were to become law, would prevent any individual being critical about Islam which personally I believe is a bad idea because you should be allowed to be critical about all faiths and ideologies.

Hate speech/hate crime laws should not be a thing.

[QUOTE=dangitbobby;52005895]The thing about this law is that all of what it covers is already covered in the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms. All m-103 does is cause more division. It's there to "protect" people of Islamic faith but all it really does is put people on a pedestal. This motion, if it were to become law, would prevent any individual being critical about Islam which personally I believe is a bad idea because you should be allowed to be critical about all faiths and ideologies.[/QUOTE] Oh christ what the fuck yeah i agree

It's really weird how uncomfortable I get when foreigners talk about my country's politics. Do Americans feel like this a lot?

Does anyone else find it disturbing they didn't put the legal definition of what islamophobia is in it?

Blocks on free speech should NOT be done lightly.

Can't wait for a bill to be put in place against scientologyphobia so scientologist can feel safe from criticism.

[QUOTE=Killer monkey;52005923]It's really weird how uncomfortable I get when foreigners talk about my country's politics. Do Americans feel like this a lot?[/QUOTE] You get used to it. Although I'm glad you've noticed the double standard. A lot of Scandinavians on here are prone to saying things like "it's my country, I know better than you" any time news is discussed about their countries.

[QUOTE=Killer monkey;52005923]It's really weird how uncomfortable I get when foreigners talk about my country's politics. Do Americans feel like this a lot?[/QUOTE] sorry : (

When will anti-hate laws be put in place for all other ideologies too?

Why can't we just be excellent to one another

[QUOTE=Pantz Master;52005960]You get used to it. Although I'm glad you've noticed the double standard. A lot of Scandinavians on here are prone to saying things like "it's my country, I know better than you" any time news is discussed about their countries.[/QUOTE] Not really surprising given how terribly portrayed they are by the american media who even blatantly lie about what's going on there acting like it's all chaotic.

[QUOTE=Trebgarta;52005977]Everybody knows what is going on in America. A lot of people, an absolute majority, dont know a damn thing about Sweden.[/QUOTE] I know I like your meat balls.

[QUOTE=Ishwoo;52005975]When will anti-hate laws be put in place for all other ideologies too?[/QUOTE]It says right there in the OP

[QUOTE=Pantz Master;52005910]Hate speech/hate crime laws should not be a thing.[/QUOTE] How did I know I'd catch you in here saying exactly that! [QUOTE=Crumpet;52005754]Don't you normally champion free speech and [I]'intellectual diversity'[/I] when the topic of banning Nazi groups and other extreme right wing orgs comes up? I've seen you and so many others that agree with the Muslim bans absolutely decry things like that as [I]banning the other side because you disagree.[/I] I'm just trying to figure out your logic, because the clear difference here in terms of threat is that an absolute minority of Muslims advocate for violent politics, while [B]ALL[/B] Nazis advocate for violent politics. Do you have any consistency in your beliefs or are they purely reactionary?[/QUOTE] If you can provide a good answer maybe people would be willing to accept why you believe what you do, so go ahead.

[QUOTE=Lambeth;52005843]It's been on the rise since 9/11[/QUOTE] You know, I legit feel bad for the however small Sikh communities that live in the western world since the majority of hate crimes towards them since 9/11 were actually targeted at Muslims. [editline]24th March 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Pantz Master;52005910]Hate speech/hate crime laws should not be a thing.[/QUOTE] Yeah considering hate speech and hate crime can have a direct impact on the well-being of society on a local level, that's kind of stupid. See the situation stated above where literal fuckwits started to attack an otherwise well-integrated group of people out of hatred for another, completely different culture, causing this group to feel threatened after years of not having to worry about those things. It's a practical problem with a practical solution. Idiots causing a local social cluster to feel isolated, alienated or persecuted via systemic harassment ? Get them to stop before tensions escalate into violence. It won't make them not hateful, it won't make the issue [I]disappear[/I], that's something you take care of with other measures that are more related to education than crime, but it'll literally make society on a local level function better because you got a bunch of shit-stirring morons to not stir shit.

This motion is the preface for an Islamic blasphemy law, and blasphemy laws have no place in a secular society. The majority of Canadians opposed this motion specifically because it puts Islam on a pedestal and deliberately refuses to define Islamophobia, and passing it is just one more thing the Liberals have done to alienate their voting base next election.

Sillypiggy the discussion is ruined out the door because of 2 facts: you called it law in the title, and motions haven't been explained to our US neighbours. The word Law is just too powerful for describing a motion and doesn't give the right impression here. A motion is a gesture that canada is going to do. It's a way for canada to posture itself to the world or itself. Bringing in the full text of the motion would be good for the discussion too. [quote]That, in the opinion of the House, the government should: (a) recognize the need to quell the increasing public climate of hate and fear; (b) condemn Islamophobia and all forms of systemic racism and religious discrimination and take note of House of Commons’ petition e-411 and the issues raised by it; and (c) request that the Standing Committee on Canadian Heritage undertake a study on how the government could (i) develop a whole-of-government approach to reducing or eliminating systemic racism and religious discrimination including Islamophobia, in Canada, while ensuring a community-centered focus with a holistic response through evidence-based policy-making, (ii) collect data to contextualize hate crime reports and to conduct needs assessments for impacted communities, and that the Committee should present its findings and recommendations to the House no later than 240 calendar days from the adoption of this motion, provided that in its report, the Committee should make recommendations that the government may use to better reflect the enshrined rights and freedoms in the Constitution Acts, including the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms.[/quote] Basically m103 wants our PM to go on stage and say "Islamophobia is bad mkay? Don't do it." and then start an investigation into why racism happens & what to do about it. This doesn't stop people like jordan b peterson from going around telling everyone the world is ending and we're going to see dead danish cartoonists everywhere we turn our heads.

[QUOTE=DaCommie1;52006046][B]This motion is the preface for an Islamic blasphemy law[/B], and blasphemy laws have no place in a secular society. The majority of Canadians opposed this motion specifically because it puts Islam on a pedestal and deliberately refuses to define Islamophobia, and passing it is just one more thing the Liberals have done to alienate their voting base next election.[/QUOTE] You got any actual reasoning behind that statement or is it just ye olde slippery slope ?

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;52006023]Yeah considering hate speech and hate crime can have a direct impact on the well-being of society on a local level, that's kind of stupid. See the situation stated above where literal fuckwits started to [B]attack[/B] an otherwise well-integrated group of people out of hatred for another, completely different culture, causing this group to feel threatened after years of not having to worry about those things. It's a practical problem with a practical solution. Idiots causing a local social cluster to feel isolated, alienated or persecuted via systemic harassment ? Get them to stop before tensions escalate into violence. It won't make them not hateful, it won't make the issue [I]disappear[/I], that's something you take care of with other measures that are more related to education than crime, but it'll literally make society on a local level function better because you got a bunch of shit-stirring morons to not stir shit.[/QUOTE] Charge them with assault and battery then.

Wording is too vague, though. But as long as it's explicitly used against people who (unironically) call for violence against Muslims rather than using against criticizing the religion it can avoid turning itself into another shitty blasphemy law.