Diamond Comic Distributors Report Shipping Out Over 10 Million Comics, While DC Overtakes Marvel - Polidicks

[t]http://cdn.bleedingcool.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/dollar-share-600x3471-600x347.png[/t][t]http://cdn.bleedingcool.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/unit-share-600x347.png[/t] [quote]Marvel had almost a third more comics on sale in August than DC Comics. 93 comics to DC’s 75. Yet DC Comics destroyed Marvel Comics on marketshare through August across the board, and placed 9 titles in the top 10. Harley Quinn #1 took the no 1 spot, beating out All-Star Batman #1 and Suicide Squad #1 with more issues of Harley Quinn, Suicide Squad, Batman, Justice League and Supergirl taking up the rest of the top ten. It took Amazing Spider-Man #16, kicking off their Dead No More event to get Marvel into the Top Ten. Everything else Marvel published was beaten by four comics starring Harley Quinn – and one by Supergirl. ... Just to remind you in April , DC Comics had a dollar share of 25.82% and a sales share of 25.13%. In May, that rose slightly to 26.45% and sales share of 26.34%. In June, that jumped to 29.93% and 31.69%. July, that was 35.36% and 40.96% Well, in August, DC Comics owns 39.27% and 44.59%. In four months that is a move of almost 20 percentage points, a remarkable change. While Marvel Comics, who back in April had a dollar share of 42.98% and sales share of 47.87% have seen that crash and burn to 30.78% and 32.11% a fall of 12 to 15 points. However, it’s not all bad news for Marvel as overall sales for August 2016 were up over 40% based on those in August 2015. So, even though their marketshare fell lower and faster than any time since Image Comics launched, their sales will still be pretty good. Indeed Diamond Comic Distributors reports they topped ten million non-promotional comic books shipped during the month for the first time in nearly twenty years, with comic shops purchasing 10.26 million comic books in August. That proviso excludes Free Comic Book Day titles and the like.[/quote] [url=http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/09/16/dc-comics-humiliates-marvel-with-august-2016-marketshare-as-diamond-sets-a-record-month-of-sales/]Bleeding Cool[/url]

Poor IDW, they got some really good stuff

I'd rather see secondary sales than shipped, shipped is literally a bullshit marketing stat. As for Marvel, the SJW train has about a year and a half to run, so they'd better be coming up with making stories in a post token post pander world if they wanna stick around, also pretty telling all the people writing the passionate blogs about the justices aren't actually buying anything. arr.

I'm not surprised. I looked at Hellcat the other day and they had her acting like a quirky college student. I mean, I can't speak 100% for DC, but they seem to treat their characters with an o7nce more dignity.

[QUOTE=27X;51060668]I'd rather see secondary sales than shipped, shipped is literally a bullshit marketing stat.[/QUOTE] That's a pretty good point

[QUOTE=Popularvote;51060671]I'm not surprised. I looked at Hellcat the other day and they had her acting like a quirky college student. I mean, I can't speak 100% for DC, but they seem to treat their characters with an o7nce more dignity.[/QUOTE] Marvel is LITERALLY about to put out a book where a team of diverse teenage superheroes, instead of fighting crimes and supervillains and saving people from danger, fight social injustice and for the rights of minorities. I fucking shit you not. [img]http://static1.comicvine.com/uploads/original/0/6063/5305259-image1.jpg[/img] I think its especially telling that this team is also comprised of almost entirely token replacement characters of formerly white character roles who pretty much exist for diversity points. (not that Kamala or Cho are necessarily bad characters but god damn.)

I had high hopes for Champions before I learned the first arc was about social media.

I'm more of a Marvel than a DC guy (I also read Image and IDW), but I'm getting [I]really[/I] tired of Marvel's penchant for big event comics. I tend to read B-list books (for instance, [I]Power Man & Iron Fist[/I] rather than [I]Captain America[/I]) so it's obnoxious when everything suddenly swerves from a small-scale tightly-told story to suddenly fit into "Original Sin" or "Secret Wars" or "Civil War II" or whatever nonsense crossover is coming up. Sometimes it works out (Deadpool was able to integrate "Original Sin" really well) but more often than not it's just an annoying thing. I'm not going to buy a bunch of $5 comics that I don't care about, not to mention Marvel historically has trouble hitting deadlines on the main event comics. At least DC has the common courtesy to have their events leave books alone (Azzarello/Chiang [I]Wonder Woman[/I] never got interrupted by any sort of crossover, and I was able to read [I]Multiversity[/I] just by buying those main issues), unless it's something huge like New 52 or Rebirth. And with the price of comics slowly pushing from 2.99 to 3.99 to 4.99 I'm less and less willing to put up with these shenanigans. I really do love comic books but with such a relatively weak cost:time of enjoyment ratio I'm far less willing to put up with middling quality.

[QUOTE=AaronM202;51060709]Marvel is LITERALLY about to put out a book where a team of diverse teenage superheroes, instead of fighting crimes and supervillains and saving people from danger, fight social injustice and for the rights of minorities. I fucking shit you not. I think its especially telling that this team is also comprised of almost entirely token replacement characters of formerly white character roles who pretty much exist for diversity points. (not that Kamala or Cho are necessarily bad characters but god damn.)[/QUOTE] Sanius Squad?

If you want to kill yourself, i recommend Mockingbird. [t]http://static2.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/31666/5339601-mockbird008-covcol-c134f.jpg[/t]

[QUOTE=AaronM202;51060709]Marvel is LITERALLY about to put out a book where a team of diverse teenage superheroes, instead of fighting crimes and supervillains and saving people from danger, fight social injustice and for the rights of minorities. I fucking shit you not. [img]http://static1.comicvine.com/uploads/original/0/6063/5305259-image1.jpg[/img] I think its especially telling that this team is also comprised of almost entirely token replacement characters of formerly white character roles who pretty much exist for diversity points. (not that Kamala or Cho are necessarily bad characters but god damn.)[/QUOTE] [t]http://i.imgur.com/JJ9XSqY.png[/t] how do i draw

[img]https://66.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_le673z6Ys01qcfhrxo1_500.jpg[/img] They need to stop this shit. [editline]16th September 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=J!NX;51060743][t]http://i.imgur.com/JJ9XSqY.png[/t] how do i draw[/QUOTE] Humberto Ramos is a special individual. His masterpiece is probably Mount Bubmore. [img]http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-h9TVR4LuHEo/UWyyoEh_xII/AAAAAAAAApk/n04TY1KLTwU/s1600/wolverine.jpg[/img]

[QUOTE=AaronM202;51060709]I think its especially telling that this team is also comprised of almost entirely token replacement characters of formerly white character roles who pretty much exist for diversity points. (not that Kamala or Cho are necessarily bad characters but god damn.)[/QUOTE] Yeah, it annoys me when people lump everything Marvel is doing into "sjw pandering" because some stuff like Ms Marvel or Totally Awesome Hulk is actually pretty good. Don't get me wrong, there is a lot of nonsense though. [QUOTE=J!NX;51060743][t]http://i.imgur.com/JJ9XSqY.png[/t] how do i draw[/QUOTE] Humberto Ramos has a style that sometimes works and sometimes... does not [t]http://i.imgur.com/d7I0Z.jpg[/t] [QUOTE=AaronM202;51060751]Humberto Ramos is a special individual. His masterpiece is probably Mount Bubmore. [img]http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-h9TVR4LuHEo/UWyyoEh_xII/AAAAAAAAApk/n04TY1KLTwU/s1600/wolverine.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] [IMG]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/40378683/Funny%20pics/Mount%20Logan.jpg[/IMG]

[QUOTE=Corndog Ninja;51060768]Yeah, it annoys me when people lump everything Marvel is doing into "sjw pandering" because some stuff like Ms Marvel or Totally Awesome Hulk is actually pretty good. Don't get me wrong, there is a lot of nonsense though.[/QUOTE] An unbelievable amount of what they do is stupid pandering though. And while the execution was decent enough, theres still a sour taste when you know the intention behind characters like Kamala or Robbie Reyes. Jane Foster and Riri Williams can go jump off a cliff though. And while they're at it, make Falcon his own hero again instead of a replacement, and give X-23 a decent costume. [editline]16th September 2016[/editline] And undo Icemans random sudden homosexuality. [editline]16th September 2016[/editline] And have an editorial mandate telling writers to stop the stupid social justice progressive shit dialogue they're shoving into everything.

[QUOTE=AaronM202;51060709]Marvel is LITERALLY about to put out a book where a team of diverse teenage superheroes, instead of fighting crimes and supervillains and saving people from danger, fight social injustice and for the rights of minorities. I fucking shit you not. [img]http://static1.comicvine.com/uploads/original/0/6063/5305259-image1.jpg[/img] I think its especially telling that this team is also comprised of almost entirely token replacement characters of formerly white character roles who pretty much exist for diversity points. (not that Kamala or Cho are necessarily bad characters but god damn.)[/QUOTE] Because when I think of social injustice and minority rights, I think a giant green out-of-control raging monster, a dude who fires concussive beams from his eyes and what looks like a robot.

[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;51060795]Because when I think of social injustice and minority rights, I think a giant green out-of-control raging monster, a dude who fires concussive beams from his eyes and what looks like a robot.[/QUOTE] Amadeus is actually in control (mostly), he's kind of like the Merged Hulk.

[QUOTE=AaronM202;51060779]And while the execution was decent enough, theres still a sour taste when you know the intention behind characters like Kamala or Robbie Reyes. [/QUOTE] Is there, though? All-New Ghost Rider was excellent and featured a character who has been established as having different incarnations (Blaze, Ketch, Alejandra, not to mention [URL="http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_luq3zoaIKS1qclcgo.png"]literal hundreds of Ghost Riders[/URL] we've seen elsewhere), and apart from a brief cameo by Blaze (and a [URL="http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/marveldatabase/images/e/ef/Secret_Wars_Secret_Love_Vol_1_1.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20150814002550"]one-off non-canon shipping joke[/URL] comic) it didn't tie in to the main Marvel Universe at all. Robbie's latino (and so is the author, Felipe Smith) but it's never heavy-handed. Classmates pick on him, but it's not because they're racist, it's because he's poor and has a handicapped brother.

[QUOTE=Corndog Ninja;51060815]Is there, though? All-New Ghost Rider was excellent and featured a character who has been established as having different incarnations (Blaze, Ketch, Alejandra, not to mention [URL="http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_luq3zoaIKS1qclcgo.png"]literal hundreds of Ghost Riders[/URL] we've seen elsewhere), and apart from a brief cameo by Blaze (and a [URL="http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/marveldatabase/images/e/ef/Secret_Wars_Secret_Love_Vol_1_1.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20150814002550"]one-off non-canon shipping joke[/URL] comic) it didn't tie in to the main Marvel Universe at all. Robbie's latino (and so is the author, Felipe Smith) but it's never heavy-handed. Classmates pick on him, but it's not because they're racist, it's because he's poor and has a handicapped brother.[/QUOTE] Robbie might've been a bad example. [editline]16th September 2016[/editline] You know its kind of weird how Marvel is parading around Carol Danvers as Captain Marvel as something progressive and new when we had Monica Rambeau in like the 80s, who Marvel seems to have almost completely forgotten.

wait thats what DC stands for? i always thought it was like a washington thing

[QUOTE=Sableye;51060834]wait thats what DC stands for? i always thought it was like a washington thing[/QUOTE] No, Diamond Comics is a distributor. DC came from Detective Comics, which was and is one of their flagship titles, the 27th issue being the debut of Batman (much like Action Comics #1 and Superman). Eventually they went from "Detective Comics" to "DC" meaning Detective Comics to just "DC" being "DC". Which leads to the funny case of their name essentially being Detective Comics Comics now. Since they still do an ongoing Detective Comics starring Batman, that means Detective Comics Comics is doing a Comic about a Detective in Detective Comics.

Cho is fine too because he's an established character and making him the Hulk allows for exploration of his character and Bruce Banner [sp]at least until they shot him in the fucking head during another stupid event[/sp]. I also think Ms Marvel is a fun comic and a good use of a moniker that Carol isn't using anymore. I'm just not in the target audience so I'm not really reading it. Even the dumbest higher-up mandate can lead to a good character, though. She-Hulk was only made because Marvel Comics saw the success of [I]The Bionic Woman[/I] and wanted to make a female Hulk character to secure copyright before the [I]Hulk[/I] tv show could, but in the years since she's become a great and interesting character. I'll absolutely give you Thor and Ironheart, though. Plus I still think the time-displaced young X-Men was and is a very dumb idea.

[QUOTE=Sableye;51060834]wait thats what DC stands for? i always thought it was like a washington thing[/QUOTE] Used to stand for Detective Comics, but these days DC is just DC.

[QUOTE=AaronM202;51060826]You know its kind of weird how Marvel is parading around Carol Danvers as Captain Marvel as something progressive and new when we had Monica Rambeau in like the 80s, who Marvel seems to have almost completely forgotten.[/QUOTE] Monica keeps popping up occasionally. With Elsa Bloodstone showing up too I hope they eventually give us more NEXTWAVE shenanigans. [editline]16th September 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;51060795]Because when I think of social injustice and minority rights, I think a giant green out-of-control raging monster, a dude who fires concussive beams from his eyes and what looks like a robot.[/QUOTE] X-Men have been shorthand for minority rights since almost day one, dude.

[QUOTE=Corndog Ninja;51060859]Monica keeps popping up occasionally. With Elsa Bloodstone showing up too I hope they eventually give us more NEXTWAVE shenanigans. [editline]16th September 2016[/editline] X-Men have been shorthand for minority rights since almost day one, dude.[/QUOTE] I fear for what Marvel would do to Nextwave

[QUOTE=Corndog Ninja;51060859] X-Men have been shorthand for minority rights since almost day one, dude.[/QUOTE] They were analogous to minority rights. They didnt LITERALLY get involved in real life discussions. It was always mutants as a stand in, not "oh The Hulk is yelling at people over twitter because sexism" or whatever this book is gonna be about. [editline]16th September 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=AaronM202;51060709]Marvel is LITERALLY about to put out a book where a team of diverse teenage superheroes, instead of fighting crimes and supervillains and saving people from danger, fight social injustice and for the rights of minorities. I fucking shit you not. [img]http://static1.comicvine.com/uploads/original/0/6063/5305259-image1.jpg[/img] I think its especially telling that this team is also comprised of almost entirely token replacement characters of formerly white character roles who pretty much exist for diversity points. (not that Kamala or Cho are necessarily bad characters but god damn.)[/QUOTE] Adding onto this, [quote=http://marvel.com/news/comics/26384/marvel_now_hear_this_champions] Marvel.com: What do the older heroes think of the Champions when they first appear? Mark Waid: If [the Champions] play their cards right and stick to their overall mission statement, they won’t have to deal too much with the older heroes. Marvel.com: What will the team's first act be once they form? What kind of things will draw their attention? Mark Waid: Again, I’m hesitant to give too much away; let’s just say that the sorts of things that draw the attention of the Champions have less to do with the Circus of Crime or the Absorbing Man and far more to do with helping people their age around the world achieve more personal moments of heroism, all in the midst of bigger stories. Marvel.com: So, will the book feature any super villains in the traditional sense? Mark Waid: Editor Tom Brevoort and I have drawn the line in the sand by saying that if the Circus of Crime shows up by issue #4, we have failed. Though certainly super villains roam the Marvel Universe in abundance and many will no doubt cross paths with our heroes, the primary job of the Champions is not to punch criminals; it’s to deal with common-people problems in ways that the bigger super-groups aren’t built to. [/quote] [quote=http://comicbook.com/2016/09/06/live-marvels-champions-live-blog-with-mark-waid/] Waid says he starts his story not with villains or crime, but with what's going on in the world in terms of racial issues, LGBTQ problems, and other issues. "Who does Mark want to yell at on social media?" jokes Brevoort. [/quote] [editline]16th September 2016[/editline] And if you're curious, who is this "Brevoort" character. Tom Brevoort, Senior Vice President of Publishing of Marvel Comics. [media]https://twitter.com/TomBrevoort/status/768610454759415808[/media] Marvel is in a really sorry state right now.

Why show off statistics for shipped comics instead of sold comics? [QUOTE=AaronM202;51060891][media]https://twitter.com/TomBrevoort/status/768610454759415808[/media][/QUOTE] what the fuck

[QUOTE=MasterKade;51060979]what the fuck[/QUOTE] [media]https://twitter.com/TomBrevoort/status/768614016658862081[/media]

From a few years back: [IMG]http://comicsalliance.com/files/2011/05/tom-brevoort-0.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://comicsalliance.com/files/2011/05/tom-brevoort.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://comicsalliance.com/files/2011/05/tom-brevoort-2.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://comicsalliance.com/files/2011/05/tom-brevoort-3.jpg[/IMG] I remember Marvel (especially Dan Slott, Spider-Man writer) [I]really[/I] doubling down on "Ooh, we're going to make the fans [I]angry![/I] You're not gonna believe this shit!" on the whole Superior Spider-Man arc (for those not in the loop, Doc Ock killed Peter Parker and stole his body, Marvel was billing this as the new standard and swearing up and down that Peter would never be back. Surprise surprise, Peter returned to being Spider-Man just in time for [I]The Amazing Spider-Man 2[/I] to hit theaters). It was just an all-around shitty time, with hand-wringing thinkpieces being written about the 'trolls' attacking Slott on twitter and the actual comic being full of asspulls and inflammatory moments without the good stuff to back it up. The idea of purchases needing to "count" - both by fans and publishers - is really bothersome for the industry. I've found some of my favorite comics regardless of publisher to be smaller ones that didn't shatter continuity forever.

[QUOTE=Sam Za Nemesis;51061021]Disney is really doing some weird stuff to Marvel[/QUOTE] This. Marvel is too busy with the characters to create decent stories.

[QUOTE=Sam Za Nemesis;51061021]Disney is really doing some weird stuff to Marvel[/QUOTE] I don't think so, I think Disney has no idea how to run Marvel. The editors are slacking, with errors all over the place and Brian Michael Bendis running amok. I can already hear the Disney higher ups saying "Only the movies matter!"