Sargon's a fucking snake but I don't think he's a right winger in disguise. Rather, I think he's afraid of SJWs. Like, [I]really[/I] afraid of them. To the extent where he's willing to go against his own principles to get rid of them. And instead of taking a step back and realizing that no good comes out of being so fearful he makes up more reasons to be afraid of them. A lot of anti-SJWs have been doing this, both to themselves and to eachother after creating what is essentially a gigantic fear circlejerk. Sargon's especially bad in this sense, as he [I]literally asks[/I] his fans to feed him articles about the evils of social justice for his "This Week in Stupid" show, which he's been doing since 2014.
I never really liked the term "concen troll," but I think it describes people like Sargon perfectly.
You can't have the views Sargon has and be a leftwing. Soon enough he will join Jontron on Breitbart.
[QUOTE=person11;51947516]You can't have the views Sargon has and be a leftwing. Soon enough he will join Jontron on Breitbart.[/QUOTE]
The Young Turks?
Keith Olbermann?
Russel Brand?
Just because someone's to the right of you it doesn't mean he's right from the center. You can hear Sargon bash "corporate sellouts" in this very vid. And if I remember correctly Sargon is in support of increasing taxes for the rich.
Sargon really hates the far-left. And for most people you're either on the left and never criticize anyone on the left or you are on the right. Rewind the clock a bit and remember how ANY criticism of Clinton would get people in trouble for being a Trump supporter.
And if you think Sargon is alt-right. [url=https://twitter.com/Sargon_of_Akkad/status/778670685052870656/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw]Think again.[/url]
That said, I'm not saying that Sargon is correct on anything. I'm just saying he's not right wing.
in his video "weapons of culture warriors" he detailed an attack against milo by people calling milo a pedo apologist and said that calling someone out and trying to destroy their reputations isn't the proper way to argue. He called milo a provocateur.
In that segment not only did he defend milo (which is ok that's not really a conflict), he misrepresented milo's character by not showing the fact that milo does use as many bullying tactics as he can when he's doing his own arguments. It would've been hypocritical to defend milo if that point had been brought up. Milo trashes people like that "student who forced his way into the women's bathroom by using a discrimination bill" or does call outs on people like sarah butts for being pedophiles when he's arguing or even on the other side of them. If you don't like people character assassinating you, maybe leave out the dirty business of discrediting or trying to discredit everyone who comes against you. In one of his articles, the one about chris leydon, he links to a video of chris leydon fucking himself with a big dildo.
When you defend people who go against your values, especially when you're detailing how some other people are using an attack that goes against your values on that person, you're doing it for 'your side' and you're just being another "culture warrior".
[sp]FYI evidence does point to sarah being a pedo it's just that it's hypocritical to use that sort of thing and then play the victim when a really similar situation happens to you.[/sp]
[QUOTE=person11;51947516]Soon enough he will join Jontron on Breitbart.[/QUOTE]
lmfao
jon "aryan safari" jafari, known for his role in systematic racial terror attacks with known accomplice mike "12 inches of steel kielbasa" stoklasa
[QUOTE=Silly Sil;51947578]Just because someone's to the right of you it doesn't mean he's right from the center. You can hear Sargon bash "corporate sellouts" in this very vid. And if I remember correctly Sargon is in support of increasing taxes for the rich.
Sargon really hates the far-left. And for most people you're either on the left and never criticize anyone on the left or you are on the right. Rewind the clock a bit and remember how ANY criticism of Clinton would get people in trouble for being a Trump supporter.
And if you think Sargon is alt-right. [URL="https://twitter.com/Sargon_of_Akkad/status/778670685052870656/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc^tfw"]Think again.[/URL]
That said, I'm not saying that Sargon is correct on anything. I'm just saying he's not right wing.[/QUOTE]
Who on the right is doing the self-criticism? You might recall the huge block of Bernie supporters who simply didn't bother to vote because they could actually see how terrible their choice was. I think that shows farily well that the left is divided and self-critical, unlike the echo chamber monolith that comprises the right.
[QUOTE=nox;51947755]Who on the right is doing the self-criticism? You might recall the huge block of Bernie supporters who simply didn't bother to vote because they could actually see how terrible their choice was. I think that shows farily well that the left is divided and self-critical, unlike the echo chamber monolith that comprises the right.[/QUOTE]
There was an extremely large and influential movement on the right against Trump. For example, National Review did an entire issue on why Trump was the wrong choice with pieces from a huge number of the top conservatives. Sadly, it wasn't enough.
[QUOTE=nox;51947755]Who on the right is doing the self-criticism? You might recall the huge block of Bernie supporters who simply didn't bother to vote because they could actually see how terrible their choice was. I think that shows farily well that the left is divided and self-critical, unlike the echo chamber monolith that comprises the right.[/QUOTE]
What does this have to do with what I said? I'm wrong about the left because the right is worse? Is that it?
Yeah the right is even worse at self-criticism. So what? That doesn't stop anyone on the left from calling everyone who's to the right of them a right-winger or even an alt-righter.
[QUOTE=Silly Sil;51947774]What does this have to do with what I said? I'm wrong about the left because the right is worse? Is that it?
Yeah the right is even worse at self-criticism. So what? That doesn't stop anyone on the left from calling everyone who's to the right of them a right-winger or even an alt-righter.[/QUOTE]
Earlier you said
[quote]for most people you're either on the left and never criticize anyone on the left or you are on the right[/quote]
Which seems to imply that the right is the only side capable of being self-critical, which I very much disagree with, I'd say the majority of leftists disapprove of a lot of far left behavior. If that's not what you were getting at then I have no idea what you meant by it.
And for the second part of your post, that labeling and name-calling is not exclusive to the left, there's plenty of "SJW" and "libtard" thrown around, sometimes at the slightest hint of non-conservative ideals.
[QUOTE=Silly Sil;51947578]Just because someone's to the right of you it doesn't mean he's right from the center. You can hear Sargon bash "corporate sellouts" in this very vid. And if I remember correctly Sargon is in support of increasing taxes for the rich.
Sargon really hates the far-left. And for most people you're either on the left and never criticize anyone on the left or you are on the right. Rewind the clock a bit and remember how ANY criticism of Clinton would get people in trouble for being a Trump supporter.
And if you think Sargon is alt-right. [url=https://twitter.com/Sargon_of_Akkad/status/778670685052870656/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw]Think again.[/url]
That said, I'm not saying that Sargon is correct on anything. I'm just saying he's not right wing.[/QUOTE]
Where's your idea of center based on, Saudi Arabia? He pays the tiniest of lip service toward being left, meanwhile supporting some the of the scummiest people the right wing has to offer. Anyone the calls themselves left while supporting Trump is either a liar, or doesn't have a coherent or intellectually honest enough worldview to be called anything. Heck, Trump is such a singularly repugnant human being, calling him right wing would almost be unfair to the right.
[QUOTE=nox;51947755]Who on the right is doing the self-criticism? You might recall the huge block of Bernie supporters who simply didn't bother to vote because they could actually see how terrible their choice was. I think that shows farily well that the left is divided and self-critical, unlike the [B]echo chamber monolith that comprises the right[/B].[/QUOTE]
Go look at conservative writers and their articles, they are ripping Trump when they feel he deserves it (and some, like Louise Mensch, feel everything he does deserves it) but you are comparing them (or, like Vodkavia, using straw men since you seem to avoid anything conservative) to Bernie supporters who took the disagreements during the primaries through to the election because they didn't get their way. Some Bernie supporters didn't even consider Hillary left wing (you can find similar sentiment on here at times) so that is hardly an example of the left being self critical.
You seem to have also missed the 8 years of the right ripping itself apart in the wake of losing congress and the presidency. The GOP post mortem from Romney's run was one of the most discussed topics in conservative circles because it showed where the GOP went wrong. Then there is the libertarian/Christian split and more historically the example of Buckley attacking the John Birch Society.
Some fucking "echo chamber monolith".
[QUOTE=nox;51947814]Earlier you said
Which seems to imply that the right is the only side capable of being self-critical, which I very much disagree with, I'd say the majority of leftists disapprove of a lot of far left behavior. If that's not what you were getting at then I have no idea what you meant by it.
And for the second part of your post, that labeling and name-calling is not exclusive to the left, there's plenty of "SJW" and "libtard" thrown around, sometimes at the slightest hint of non-conservative ideals.[/QUOTE]
But I haven't said a word about the right. You are putting words in my mouth.
My post might as well said "for most people you are not part of the left when you bash people on the left just like you're not on the right if you bash people on the right". I'm not whitewashing the right at all. I'm just saying that people think Sargon is far or alt right because he's focused on ranting about elements on the left.
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[QUOTE=Mingebox;51947928]Where's your idea of center based on, Saudi Arabia? He pays the tiniest of lip service toward being left, meanwhile supporting some the of the scummiest people the right wing has to offer. Anyone the calls themselves left while supporting Trump is either a liar, or doesn't have a coherent or intellectually honest enough worldview to be called anything. Heck, Trump is such a singularly repugnant human being, calling him right wing would almost be unfair to the right.[/QUOTE]
So if you identify as left-wing and you are faced with a choice of far-right and left candidates and you think the left one is going to do something much worse than the far-right will, you have to vote for the left candidate anyway?
So if in the last election Clinton said that she's going to declare war on Russia the moment she's elected to office you still wouldn't vote for Trump?
[QUOTE=person11;51947516]You can't have the views Sargon has and be a leftwing. Soon enough he will join Jontron on Breitbart.[/QUOTE]
Putting Jontron up there with fucking Breitbart? On what planet do you live on?
[QUOTE=Trebgarta;51947995]Nice fantasy scenarios. Hillary was better than Trump in every sense, [/QUOTE]
To you. Other people might think that different things are more important. Like someone might hate election-rigging corporate sellouts more than bigoted far-right demagogues.
[QUOTE=Trebgarta;51947995]and not far left in the slightest.[/QUOTE]
Haven't said that.
[QUOTE=Trebgarta;51947995]Hypotethically, if it were Trump vs Hillary Stalin, yeah maybe. But why are we talking about hypotethicals?[/QUOTE]
A thought experiment to contest made up rules that if you think that a certain left wing candidate is worse than certain right wing candidate you cannot possibly call yourself left-wing.
[QUOTE=RichyZ;51948007]Ultimately, the right voted their candidate about the same amount this year as last cycle, whereas the left was incredibly divided. While there was a lot of discourse, the silent majority of the right wing voters stayed the course and voted on party lines[/QUOTE]
I would hardly call a [URL="https://ropercenter.cornell.edu/polls/us-elections/how-groups-voted/how-groups-voted-2012/"]3%[/URL] [URL="https://ropercenter.cornell.edu/groups-voted-2016/"]drop[/URL] in Democrats turning out for their candidate "incredibly divided" (Trump also suffered from a 3% drop in Republicans voting for him). Splitting it on self identified idealogical lines makes the argument even weaker since more conservatives avoided Trump.
It's probably just the people who voted for Obama due to his charisma and ethnicity, rather than policy, not turning out, hence the 4% drop in self identified moderates voting Democrat.
[QUOTE=Silly Sil;51947967]
So if you identify as left-wing and you are faced with a choice of far-right and left candidates and you think the left one is going to do something much worse than the far-right will, you have to vote for the left candidate anyway?
So if in the last election Clinton said that she's going to declare war on Russia the moment she's elected to office you still wouldn't vote for Trump?[/QUOTE]
If, before the election, you wanted to argue Hillary was simply a slightly worse poison to pick than Trump, I [I]might [/I]at least see where you're coming from. But the election is over, and you'd have to have to be completely fanatical to not be able to taste the cyanide in the Trump Kool-aid at this point.
I used to like him but he became really egotistical and frankly a bit of an arse so I unsubscribed.
[QUOTE=kilerabv;51948011]Putting Jontron up there with fucking Breitbart? On what planet do you live on?[/QUOTE]
The one where Jontron partook in a breitbart interview?
aka our reality?
Also right and left are just abstractions relational to that which we position them. It is true that sargon repeatedly supports people like theresa may, trump, tories, and the republican party. And furthermore, you can take a look at all of those of whom he associates with, AND, who his audience has come to be.
I'd be more willing to believe that he's left wing if he spent more time taking left wing stances and standing by them strongly, instead of supporting people who pretty much objectively hurt the working class, but all he mostly does on his channel is reactionary idpol garbage.
[QUOTE=kilerabv;51948011]Putting Jontron up there with fucking Breitbart? On what planet do you live on?[/QUOTE]
he has recently been getting onto a lot of right wing podcasts and shows, and is pretty much just swallowing everything they say and regurgitating it back with less then reasonably applicable logic.
[QUOTE=kilerabv;51948011]Putting Jontron up there with fucking Breitbart? On what planet do you live on?[/QUOTE]
didnt write my post well enough, I just meant that he went on Breitbart to talk about how biased the media is or some shit because he wanted a safe space to use the word retarded or some shit
I kind of take it as a bad sign if one thinks talking to Breitbart is a good idea
[QUOTE=Mingebox;51948154]If, before the election, you wanted to argue Hillary was simply a slightly worse poison to pick than Trump, I [I]might [/I]at least see where you're coming from. But the election is over, and you'd have to have to be completely fanatical to not be able to taste the cyanide in the Trump Kool-aid at this point.[/QUOTE]
I'm not a fan of Trump myself but I wouldn't classify myself as a better human being because of that either.
[QUOTE=Silly Sil;51947967]
So if you identify as left-wing and you are faced with a choice of far-right and left candidates and you think the left one is going to do something much worse than the far-right will, you have to vote for the left candidate anyway?
So if in the last election Clinton said that she's going to declare war on Russia the moment she's elected to office you still wouldn't vote for Trump?[/QUOTE]
Or you could just not support either one.
[QUOTE=Vodkavia;51947412]I still haven't figured out why people genuinely believe the right wing actual cares about the average person (or even the human race in the case of climate change) when they've been nothing but a massive stumbling block for any sort of improvement to human well being for the last several decades
Even more shitty is dishonest people like Sargon, Trump, Infowars and the whole right wing brain vacuum acting as if they have the public support when in reality Trumps victory was due to an election system that was ironically rigged in his favour and conservative movements/victories like Brexit are overwhelming the result of disenfranchisement of the youth and old voter blocks who are negligently making decisions that will have consequences long after their deaths.[/QUOTE]
What's this whole idea of progress though? What are we progressing towards? Is this progress optional? Like can I as an individual opt-out?
[QUOTE=Jack32;51949493]What's this whole idea of progress though? What are we progressing towards? Is this progress optional? Like can I as an individual opt-out?[/QUOTE]
who said anything about progress lol
also why is progress something you want to opt out of
[QUOTE=Vodkavia;51947460]He calls healthcare a distant problem the average person doesn't care about, that kind of mental gymnastics kind of disqualifies you from being anything other than being far right imho.[/QUOTE]
I mean that's retarded but it sounds like he doesn't care, probably because he's an Englishman who doesn't seem to understand anything going on in America very well.
The right-wing or so-called "alt right" absolutely fucking despise Sargon. They hate him because he is a self-professed liberal and is in favor of things like universal healthcare and increased taxes on the wealthy. I don't think he's dishonest either, I think he's just making content that is reflective of the current political climate. He has said time and time again that he would love to make Trump-bashing videos but he finds the leftist ideologies and political correctness to be more entertaining to criticize.
I like Sargon of Akkad; I agree with a lot of the things he says; not everything, but enough to keep me watching his videos.
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