French mayors who banned burkini to defy court ruling against them - Polidicks

[img_thumb]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2016/08/28/106897241_Burkina_banWoman_in_traditional_Muslim_dress_on_the_beach_in_Villeneuve_LoubetA_couple_of-xlarge_trans++FG-8soHxRgF17VqM2EuXYcEVPiNAm5ytesr-qB-sTCo.jpg[/img_thumb] [quote]Mayors of 28 French towns are maintaining burkini bans in defiance of a court ruling, heralding a series of bitter legal battles as the controversy becomes a key issue in the presidential campaign. The judgement on Friday by the State Council, France’s highest administrative court, that it is illegal to prohibit the full-body swimsuit applies specifically to one resort, Villeneuve-Loubet.[/quote] [quote]Most of the other 28 mayors who are insisting on keeping the bans belong to the centre-Right Republicans or the far-Right Front National.[/quote] [url=http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/08/28/french-towns-who-banned-burkini-to-defy-court-ruling-against-the/]Source[/url] and [b]Burkini ban: French police continue to target women in Islamic clothing despite court ruling[/b] [quote]Police have continued to target women wearing modest Islamic clothing on France's beaches, despite a court overturning the controversial burkini ban. Two women wearing hijabs and hats were seen on a beach in Nice reportedly being told to leave by a policeman in a boat. One woman was wearing a long dress and the other a loose trouser suit. The pair were with a young boy.[/quote] [url=http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/burkini-ban-france-french-police-muslim-women-hijab-burka-latest-news-court-ruling-a7213856.html]Source[/url] So, is there any kind of penalty for breaking the constitution or going against the supreme administrative court?

Wouldn't it be great if one of these politicians wound up in jail for defying court orders? You know, like any regular person would?

Holy shit why is it so fucking important to be the fashion police? Why is this burkini "controversy" even a [I]thing?[/I]

If the state court is anti-ban, and the local court is pro-ban, where does the French public stand? The only poll I could find was hosted on Brietbart [url=http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/08/26/france-just-6-per-cent-back-burkini/]aaaaaand..[/url] I don't agree with the European nationalist frenzy, but the public would be the group most swayed by the ongoing culture clash. Policy should be dictated by regional public opinion simply because the ensuing resistance to celebrate or merge the two cultures just drives the division further.

I hope they ban wet suits too, I absolutely hate not seeing people skins when i'm at the beach.

[QUOTE=VeniVidiVici74;50967886]If the state court is anti-ban, and the local court is pro-ban, where does the French public stand? The only poll I could find was hosted on Brietbart [url=http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/08/26/france-just-6-per-cent-back-burkini/]aaaaaand..[/url] I don't agree with the European nationalist frenzy, but the public would be the group most swayed by the ongoing culture clash. Policy should be dictated by regional public opinion simply because the ensuing resistance to celebrate or merge the two cultures just drives the division further.[/QUOTE] allowing the public at large to persecute the minority due to their misguided beliefs will only feed extremist attitudes in that muslim community you're right in terms of pure democracy, but pure democracy results in discrimination and strife due to how short-sighted most populations are

Can someone explain why this ban is even a thing? Like what practical/logical reason are they using to justify it?

[QUOTE=Matt2468rv;50967906]Can someone explain why this ban is even a thing? Like what practical/logical reason are they using to justify it?[/QUOTE] Burka = Terrorism or some shit.

[QUOTE=Matt2468rv;50967906]Can someone explain why this ban is even a thing? Like what practical/logical reason are they using to justify it?[/QUOTE] due to rising terrorism concerns (terrorism in the 2000+ era so far being an issue rising mostly from politically unstable regions populated by Muslims), people have come to fear Muslims in their countries this fear is currently manifesting in making excuses to justify persecuting Muslim women from wearing a progressive form of their religious wear (ironic)

[QUOTE=VeniVidiVici74;50967886]If the state court is anti-ban, and the local court is pro-ban, where does the French public stand? [/QUOTE] Obviously the ruling of the supreme court renders any local court decision invalid.

[QUOTE=Omali;50967823]Wouldn't it be great if one of these politicians wound up in jail for defying court orders? You know, like any regular person would?[/QUOTE] It would be great if all of them were arrested and tossed into the meanest prisons they could find imo, it's time people let go of senseless fearmongering for the sake of fearmongering to advance their own agendas, and if they don't, they should be made to obey the law.

Oh God it's Kim Davis all over again

Don't these Mayor have real problems to deal with? Or do they genuinely feel that banning Muslims from wearing certain clothing is somehow striking at the very heart of Islamic extremism? "I know I said I'd go shoot up a random Parisien street today, but I had to trade all my terrorist stuff for two weeks on the Costa Del Sol so my wife can visit a beach legally"

Wow, they suuuure must be busy in life...

please tell me they'll receive some sort of punishment for this

[QUOTE=El Burro;50968073]Don't these Mayor have real problems to deal with? Or do they genuinely feel that banning Muslims from wearing certain clothing is somehow striking at the very heart of Islamic extremism? "I know I said I'd go shoot up a random Parisien street today, but I had to trade all my terrorist stuff for two weeks on the Costa Del Sol so my wife can visit a beach legally"[/QUOTE] they do this to pander to their conservative voters their job is to get reelected, not to pass useful laws and regulations

So can we arrest the mayor and imprison him for a decade or so for violating a court order and absuing his power to forcibly strip women on the beach?

[QUOTE=El Burro;50968073]Don't these Mayor have real problems to deal with? Or do they genuinely feel that banning Muslims from wearing certain clothing is somehow striking at the very heart of Islamic extremism? "I know I said I'd go shoot up a random Parisien street today, but I had to trade all my terrorist stuff for two weeks on the Costa Del Sol so my wife can visit a beach legally"[/QUOTE] It makes it seem like they're doing "something". Nevermind that it doesn't do anything to address the actual problem, this is just to score political favor with rightfully scared people.

[QUOTE=VeniVidiVici74;50967886]If the state court is anti-ban, and the local court is pro-ban, where does the French public stand? The only poll I could find was hosted on Brietbart [url=http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/08/26/france-just-6-per-cent-back-burkini/]aaaaaand..[/url] I don't agree with the European nationalist frenzy, but the public would be the group most swayed by the ongoing culture clash. Policy should be dictated by regional public opinion simply because the ensuing resistance to celebrate or merge the two cultures just drives the division further.[/QUOTE] No, I think policy should be dictated by public opinion only if it is deemed constitutional. If a part of a country wants to continue the enforcement of laws found unconstitutional by the court, it is no longer a part of that country. There is a reason the legislative and judicial branches are separated. This mayor has just annulled his own office, and I expect him to be booted out soon. The state court will always overrule the regional court, that's why it's there.

[QUOTE=Mattk50;50968225]So can we arrest the mayor and imprison him for a decade or so for violating a court order and absuing his power to forcibly strip women on the beach?[/QUOTE] The issue isn't just the mayor of Nice. 28 out of 30 mayors who implemented the ban in the first place are defying the court. Shows you what the motives behind the ban were, if the sheer majority of the mayors prefer to break the constitution rather than retract the measure.

these cunts are focusing on a nonissue that will cause more of the islamic hate (when I say this, I mean hatred from islam to everyone else) that causes terrorist threats and actions in the first place from extremists, instead of focusing on terrorism as an issue itself. They are literally making everything worse for everyone. its also ironic. Islamic extremists bomb a place for being too anti-islam... but when you bomb it then you only justify their fear and hatred and ignorance. Both sides are perpetually fucking stupid.

that's not how this works mayor sorry

[QUOTE=Maadz;50968332]that's not how this works mayor sorry[/QUOTE] Not to be offensive or anything, but coming from someone who lives in a country that is extremely intolerant of other cultures and religions to the point that apostasy is punishable by sentences including flaying and death by beheading, your comment, or at least the sentiment behind it, strikes me as rather strange. I lived in KSA for six years (as my father worked for the Riyadh Daily), and I don't miss its barbarity. Not that I wish to paint you with the same brush if you don't share the beliefs of the institution. Merely pointing that out.

[QUOTE=J!NX;50968314]these cunts are focusing on a nonissue that will cause more of the islamic hate (when I say this, I mean hatred from islam to everyone else) that causes terrorist threats and actions in the first place from extremists, instead of focusing on terrorism as an issue itself. They are literally making everything worse for everyone. its also ironic. Islamic extremists bomb a place for being too anti-islam... [B]but when you bomb it then you only justify their fear and hatred and ignorance. Both sides are perpetually fucking stupid[/B].[/QUOTE] It's critically important to note that this the reaction that extremist organizations WANT to see, and for very real logistical purposes. The strategic goal of extremist organizations is to incite public outrage and reactionary policies towards Muslims as a whole. They want to see hate crimes, persecution, outrage, mistrust, and other misplaced aggression directed towards Muslims, because such conditions feed into their propaganda and recruitment machines. It directly empowers extremist organizations. So, from a strategic standpoint, it'snot "both sides" being fucking stupid right now. Extremist organizations are playing the French government for fools.

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;50968523]It's critically important to note that this the reaction that extremist organizations WANT to see, and for very real logistical purposes. The strategic goal of extremist organizations is to incite public outrage and reactionary policies towards Muslims as a whole. They want to see hate crimes, persecution, outrage, mistrust, and other misplaced aggression directed towards Muslims, because such conditions feed into their propaganda and recruitment machines. It directly empowers extremist organizations. So, from a strategic standpoint, it'snot "both sides" being fucking stupid right now. Extremist organizations are playing the French government for fools.[/QUOTE] It's sad but technically that is true I guess the truth is that the terrorists won this round. The people are shitting themselves.

[QUOTE=_Axel;50967857]Holy shit why is it so fucking important to be the fashion police? Why is this burkini "controversy" even a [I]thing?[/I][/QUOTE] Because burkas are bad because they restrict women's rights to wear what they want so we have to stop it by restricting women's rights to wear what they want.

Burkinis are becoming popular among those who aren't Muslim for fuck sake.

[QUOTE=Steam-Pixie;50969093]Burkinis are becoming popular among those who aren't Muslim for fuck sake.[/QUOTE] Oh man, imagine if because of this controversy, Burkinis become incredibly fashionable. That would be a big fuck you in the face of any of these mayors.

[QUOTE=TornadoAP;50969136]Oh man, imagine if because of this controversy, Burkinis become incredibly fashionable. That would be a big fuck you in the face of any of these mayors.[/QUOTE] I hope their wives wear them lmao

[QUOTE=zupadupazupadude;50968120]please tell me they'll receive some sort of punishment for this[/QUOTE] Sadly politicians have a tendency of getting away with willingly breaking the law when it is to make a point. They do get punished but their political career recovers or is strengthened more often than not. Sometimes it's for a good cause like when in 2004 a mayor decided to marry two men despite no law existing to allow such a thing for another eight years. Other times it's to promote close minded garbage ways of thinking like this case or when the founder and previous leader of the far right wing party FN repeatedly made historical revisionist statements regarding the holocaust.