[quote=The Hill]
Former Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton said on Thursday that misogyny "played a role" her 2016 defeat.
"Certainly, misogyny played a role," Clinton said at the Women of the World Summit in New York. "I mean, that just has to be admitted. And why and what the underlying reasons were is what I'm trying to parse out myself."[/quote]
[quote]"I think in this election there was a very real struggle between what is viewed as change that is welcomed and exciting to so many Americans, and change which is worrisome and threatening to so many others," Clinton said. "And you layer on the first woman president over that and I think some people, women included, had real problems."[/quote]
[url=http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/327706-clinton-misogyny-played-a-role-in-2016-election]Source[/url].
[url=https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/video/2017/apr/07/misogyny-played-a-role-in-election-loss-says-hillary-clinton-video]Alternate Source (video)[/url].
No Hillary, being a woman isn't one of the main reason why people didn't like you.
Gee it's almost like running a terrible campaign focused entirely on your opponent without actually canvassing for votes gets you nowhere, especially when you harp on about four years of the same which nobody wanted to hear.
you can't say it didn't play a role
but its like one tiny thing surrounded by 30 other things
I mean Clinton is politically irrelevant now, who cares what she says?
Was it misogyny when you lost in 2008 aswell?
she says, "misogyny played a role," guys. She didn't say all her opponents were misogynists and that was the only reason she lost.
if you're a reasonable minded person there's no fault with what she said here, calm down folks
[QUOTE=-nesto-;52117226]Was it misogyny when you lost in 2008 aswell?[/QUOTE]
Those misogynist right-wing Obamabros voting for a man because they don't want their fragile masculinity harmed ;_;
Fuck Clinton. She should've never won the nomination.
Nice one Clinton it's not like your campaign was garbage and you blame one of the least prominent factors that made you lose to the most dangerous US presidential candidate in recent history.
Misogyny was an extremely small portion as to why she didn't win the election. She should've won, but her arrogance and dumbass actions made her lose to one of the worst Presidential candidates to grace this nation.
it's time for you to pokemon GO back to whatever hole you came from, clinton.
[QUOTE=DChapsfield;52117235]she says, "misogyny played a role," guys. She didn't say all her opponents were misogynists and that was the only reason she lost.
if you're a reasonable minded person there's no fault with what she said here, calm down folks[/QUOTE]
I wouldn't find any fault with it were it not for the fact that this is the fucking card she's been playing since the [I]goddamn primaries[/I]. Remember 'Berniebros'? Oh yes, obviously people's interests in the alternative candidate isn't because he has an actual fucking platform, it's because they can't stand the idea of a woman being in power.
It gets fucking irritating and, once again, it's the problem with liberal social politics where nobody's willing to believe that someone's doing something out of misogynistic or racist motivation anymore because people overused the fucking verbal trump card.
[QUOTE=-nesto-;52117226]Was it misogyny when you lost in 2008 aswell?[/QUOTE]
Did she say it was? Not seeing how her loss in 2008 is relevant to what she is talking about here.
Misogyny absolutely played a roll in her loss in 2016; it wasn't the key factor, but it absolutely did. The amount of both Democrats and Republicans I read and saw calling her a cunt, bitch, etc, was despicable, and it was all because she comes across as tough, rather than timid.
When there are people who will still claim that we can't have a woman president because of their "emotional instability" or their menstrual cycle... Yes, misogyny plays some sort of role. You guys are way, way too quick to dismiss the possibility.
Misogyny plays a fairly noticeable role with any females in leadership roles. Women who are willing to assert themselves and drive a decision are seen as "bossy", "loudmouthed" or "bitchy", where a man doing the same is seen as "strong", "courageous", "proactive".
It's a lot harder for society to take a female leader seriously still, even today, because of the undercurrents of misogynistic thought that still exist throughout society. We're past the point of people screeching at women leaders about how they shouldn't be there, but you'd be naive to think there's zero mistrust or excessive caution felt with female leadership.
[QUOTE=Wafflemonstr;52117308]Did she say it was? Not seeing how her loss in 2008 is relevant to what she is talking about here.
Misogyny absolutely played a roll in her loss in 2016; it wasn't the key factor, but it absolutely did. The amount of both Democrats and Republicans I read and saw calling her a cunt, bitch, etc, was despicable, and it was all because she comes across as tough, rather than timid.[/QUOTE]
People called her a cunt and a bitch because they work as insults, not because they hate women. They just hated her. Misogyny played such an insignificant roll in her loss its not worth mentioning.
[QUOTE=Wafflemonstr;52117308]Did she say it was? Not seeing how her loss in 2008 is relevant to what she is talking about here.
Misogyny absolutely played a roll in her loss in 2016; it wasn't the key factor, but it absolutely did. The amount of both Democrats and Republicans I read and saw calling her a cunt, bitch, etc, was despicable, and it was all because she comes across as tough, rather than timid.[/QUOTE]
Riiiight people called her a cunt not because of her shady dealings and shit flinging but because she was a [I]strong woman[/I]
[QUOTE=froztshock;52117259]I wouldn't find any fault with it were it not for the fact that this is the fucking card she's been playing since the [I]goddamn primaries[/I]. Remember 'Berniebros'? Oh yes, obviously people's interests in the alternative candidate isn't because he has an actual fucking platform, it's because they can't stand the idea of a woman being in power.
It gets fucking irritating and, once again, it's the problem with liberal social politics where nobody's willing to believe that someone's doing something out of misogynistic or racist motivation anymore because people overused the fucking verbal trump card.[/QUOTE]
Okay, i get that, she often spoke of how being a woman made it more difficult to garner support.
And i understand, especially for Bernie supporters, that being generalized as a bro who wanted a man in the office is frustrating. It's a simple false accusation to be automatically labeled as a mysoginist just because you were a Bernie supporter for the primaries.
Look, here, Clinton was speaking about the causes of the election results. She's not just speaking about Democrats, she's talking about the whole voting populace. And this is at a Women of the World Summit. How is she not going to mention mysoginistic tendencies, which are, still, a powerful set of automatic nonconscious attitudes held by a LOT of voters, especially the farther south and west you go?
Time and place, is what you're saying. Too often and it's a limp warning. But it's the Women of the World Summit. That's kind of THE time and place.
[QUOTE=-nesto-;52117329]Riiiight people called her a cunt not because of her shady dealings and shit flinging but because she was a [I]strong woman[/I][/QUOTE]
Some people can't understand that a targeted insult isn't an attack on the body it applies to, but because the one being insulted in part of that body. Such a tiny portion who might have voted democrat chose not to vote for her for being a woman.
Maybe she shouldn't have insulted those who wanted Bernie as the candidate.
That's how you get some to vote for the other side or abstaining out of spite, because if you're enough of a selfcentered idiot, people will rather watch you burn along with them rather than regretfully vote for you because you end up representing everything they dislike from that political spectrum.
It's an inoffensive statement, it's an answer to a question that's then taken out of context for a catchy headline, and it's politically irrelevant, but it brings out that Hillary attitude. Terribly full of herself, lamenting the [I]burden[/I] of being the [I]first[/I] woman president. It's so much change, too much for old conservative america to deal with!
It reminds me of that old tweet:
[t]http://i.imgur.com/LEwO3u2.png[/t]
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;52117328]People called her a cunt and a bitch because they work as insults, not because they hate women. They just hated her. Misogyny played such an insignificant roll in her loss its not worth mentioning.[/QUOTE]
this is entirely based on anecdotal experience, and you're free to call me out on that. but i don't find it particularly hard to believe that there are plenty of people out there who have a bias against female leaders. it's not even about extreme woman-hating attitudes or anything, mostly just conditioning
i agree clinton's career warrants plenty of insults. i agree misogyny wasn't the driving force behind her loss. it's just the idea that misogyny is completely unmentionable in this context that doesn't sit well with me
Ofcourse she would say that, the other option is to say that she lost fair and square to a sentient block of cheddar cheese.
While it wasn't the main reason, it certainly played a role.
I mean, Trump got caught on tape boasting about how he sexually assaulted women and it got brushed off as mere locker room talk and did fuck all. That should have fucked his reputation for life let alone his election chances, but apparently people don't mind their president having those views on women.
Wasn't there an article posted here around a few months ago where they redid the debates line for line, but with actors of the opposite gender, and came to the conclusion that Clinton was really that fucking unlikable in general?
russian misogynist berniebros forced clinton to not campaign in rust belt states where she lost, it's not her fault
What a laughable copout excuse
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[QUOTE=thejjokerr;52117435]If trump had lost misandry would've played a role according to him.[/QUOTE]
I would bet he wouldn't say this
[editline]17th April 2017[/editline]
does he even know the word
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;52117377]this is entirely based on anecdotal experience, and you're free to call me out on that. but i don't find it particularly hard to believe that there are plenty of people out there who have a bias against female leaders. it's not even about extreme woman-hating attitudes or anything, mostly just conditioning
i agree clinton's career warrants plenty of insults. i agree misogyny wasn't the driving force behind her loss. it's just the idea that misogyny is completely unmentionable in this context that doesn't sit well with me[/QUOTE]
Its not that its unmentionable. It can be mentioned all day long. It's just stupid to mention because it is meaningless and a cheap distraction from her failings as a candidate.
[QUOTE=GrizzlyBear;52117402]While it wasn't the main reason, it certainly played a role.
I mean, Trump got caught on tape boasting about how he sexually assaulted women and it got brushed off as mere locker room talk and did fuck all. That should have fucked his reputation for life let alone his election chances, but apparently people don't mind their president having those views on women.[/QUOTE]
He started getting ahead when more info on the FBI investigation against Clinton came forward.
Plus, lots of people who vote Republican aren't exactly bright or well-educated people.
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[QUOTE=GrizzlyBear;52117460]Also guys don't forget Hillary isn't saying this is solely why she lost, she simply said it played a role. She didn't say it was the only reason, she isn't going to turn around and say it didn't play a role when asked when it did.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, but it's nothing compared to the many other reasons why she lost. I'm not saying that it didn't play a role, but maybe I would've agreed with her if she explained that it was one of the lesser reasons.
Also guys don't forget Hillary isn't saying this is solely why she lost, she simply said it played a role. She didn't say it was the only reason, she isn't going to turn around and say it didn't play a role when asked when it did.
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;52117442]What a laughable copout excuse
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I would bet he wouldn't say this
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does he even know the word[/QUOTE]That's the only reason he'd not say it is because he couldn't even find it in the dictionary, let alone define it under any circumstances.
[QUOTE=cdr248;52117212]you can't say it didn't play a role
but its like one tiny thing surrounded by 30 other things[/QUOTE]
there are plenty of women I'd vote for over trump. condi rice for starters would have been a hell of a good choice.
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