So ive been looking around for a relatively easy extraction method for mimosa hostilis bark but all the 1's ive found need like a pound of the shit or half pound...if at all possible someone experienced with this shit help me out with a easier way.
i think theres like one or 2 guys overe here who ever done DMT extraction, your best bet is to search erowid.org for an extraction article.
I am pretty sure you can scale down the materials you use with a smaller amount of bark.
look up the dmt nexus wiki, they have a bunch of extraction teks.
IMO you shouldn't be extracting DMT without knowing the chemistry behind it well (just for your own safety, it [i]can[/i] be done just following the recipe). You should find an easy extraction guide, then ask someone who's good with chemistry (the extraction guides I've seen aren't more than high school level) about what exactly is going on, and what you should watch out for. Shouldn't be too hard to find a pot head that studies chemistry.
As much as I want to try DMT all the guide contain lye or chloride and something extremely fucking dangerous to someone's health and idk if I would wanna accidently fuck up somewhere or something. Idk maybe ill try it in a year or something.
[QUOTE=acer8;26523386]As much as I want to try DMT all the guide contain lye or chloride and something extremely fucking dangerous to someone's health and idk if I would wanna accidently fuck up somewhere or something. Idk maybe ill try it in a year or something.[/QUOTE]
It's not that dangerous, jesus you'll have some in your under sink cupboard.
Chemistry GCSE.
Why all the talk about extraction?
Order dat shit online
you cant just order pure DMT online because having it in it's pure state is illegal.
[QUOTE=acer8;26525042]you cant just order pure DMT online because having it in it's pure state is illegal.[/QUOTE]
wat
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[QUOTE=joe588;26523461]It's not that dangerous, jesus you'll have some in your under sink cupboard.[/QUOTE]
yeah but it's another thing completely to smoke shit you make from the chemicals under your sink.
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wait what the fuck, i read the above quote as "you can just buy it online cause its legal in pure form" my bad lol
[QUOTE=theXinferno;26529312]yeah but it's another thing completely to smoke shit you make from the chemicals under your sink.[/QUOTE]
you use those chemicals for an extraction. so if youve done the extraction properly you will be left with DMT only and no other chemicals.
well yeah, but i can still see why people would be nervous about smoking something they just made using said chemicals if they don't know what they're doing besides following a guide they found on the internet.
agree 100% with above
[QUOTE=theXinferno;26533751]well yeah, but i can still see why people would be nervous about smoking something they just made using said chemicals if they don't know what they're doing besides following a guide they found on the internet.[/QUOTE]
Thank you, my point exactly =x
For extraction, does the lye have to be pure sodium hydroxide? Or can it have other ingredients?
[QUOTE=acer8;26523386]As much as I want to try DMT all the guide contain lye or chloride and something extremely fucking dangerous to someone's health and idk if I would wanna accidently fuck up somewhere or something. Idk maybe ill try it in a year or something.[/QUOTE]
It's not that dangerous, it's not like it has deadly fumes which will ignite at the slightest change in temperature. You just melt your skin really bad if you pour the aqueous NaOH on yourself. It's pretty hard to fail that bad. All the recipies require at minimum about 100g of bark. Shits like 45 bucks for 3 kilos though.
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[QUOTE=Lipsonfire;26555418]For extraction, does the lye have to be pure sodium hydroxide? Or can it have other ingredients?[/QUOTE]
Pure is best. Check home depot for drain cleaner.
[url]http://wiki.dmt-nexus.com/DMT_Extraction_Overview[/url]
Probably the best extraction guide you can find. This one also explains the idea behind every action, which you should be able to understand if you have basic knowledge in chemistry (check it out, see if you do).
Feeling a bit redundant today, here's the basic procedure for acid/base extractions:
[b]1.[/b] Add (polar) water to your plant material. Convert the freebase DMT to a (polar) salt by acidifying to a pH of 4. You may go on with a lower pH or cook the solution if you want to speed up the process, since it allegedly breaks down the cells of the plant material, releasing more DMT, but this may also polarize some impurities along with the DMT. After this, filter out the plant material, which you may choose to do more pulls from (same procedure) if you don't want to waste anything. You can now opt to pull out fats and other non-polar impurities with a non-polar phase (naptha, heptane, etc.) and discard it.
[b]2.[/b] Now convert the DMT back to its non-polar, freebase form by raising the pH to 10-11. This allows you to extract the DMT with a non-polar phase, leaving the polar impurities in the polar phase. You may want to do several pulls before discarding the polar phase (3 is suggested). You can choose to clean the non-polar phase from NaOH (or whatever base you used) by using a small amount of MILD acid (which is more likely to react with a strong base like NaOH than a weak one like DMT) in a polar phase (water, obviously).
[b]3.[/b] If you did it right, you should now have DMT left in your non-polar solvent. The recommended method for getting it out is freeze-precipitation. This is best done by ensuring that the DMT is only barely dissolved before precipitating. I'd suggest leaving the solvent to evaporate until DMT crystals start forming. Then heat up the solvent almost as much as you plan to (save quite some room for heating it even more later on), initially causing the DMT to redissolve, but as the solvent rapidly evaporates, you'll eventually start seeing crystals again (probably just a vague sludge) indicating that it has reached its maximum solubility. As soon as this happens, add the extra heat that you saved from before, just barely dissolving the crystallized DMT, then leave it to cool to room temperature, then cool it to fridge temperature, then to freezer temperature. Point being, the slower you cool it, the bigger and cleaner the crystals. Leave it over night and come back for some big DMT crystals, which you should be ready to filtrate without allowing the solution to gain heat again.
That's a more general method for extracting DMT, explaining the general idea behind each step. Noman's tek is a so-called straight to base tek, which means that the DMT isn't intermediately converted to a salt, leaving the polar impurities and plant material in the phase from which you do your final pull. It's also theoretically less efficient. But it's faster.
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[QUOTE=DarkSpider;26556595]It's not that dangerous, it's not like it has deadly fumes which will ignite at the slightest change in temperature. You just melt your skin really bad if you pour the aqueous NaOH on yourself. It's pretty hard to fail that bad. All the recipies require at minimum about 100g of bark. Shits like 45 bucks for 3 kilos though.[/QUOTE]
Hm? I haven't seen any quality, reliable vendor selling it that low. This is where I'm planning to buy from:
[url]http://www.adenium.com.br/mimosa_products.asp[/url]
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If you don't have a pH-meter, you can calculate the pH based on weight/concentration. It's possible to do this for acids and bases of varying strengths, however you'll be making things a lot easier (and thus safer) for yourself using only strong acids and bases. Write in here if you need an equation based on the chemicals and method you're using, but it's not something I can just write a general equation for.
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