2nd Amendment March - General

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What a lot of people don't realize is that gun control = people control. First they'll take away "assault weapons" (in which assault rifles and pistols are already illegal without an ATF tax stamp), then all semi autos, pistols, pump actions, lever actions, bolt actions, break actions (O&U's, SxSs, SBs), and finally muzzle loaders.

I'm probably gonna go to the Florida capital with some friends if I'm not busy.

I'm going to a local gunshow in the capital of North Dakota on the 19th... No doubt some political rallies are gonna be going.

I have lived in a country where guns are banned aside from hunting rifles, and we are not controlled by our goverment. Its not people control its just an effort to decrease gun kills/massacres.

yes yes every one listen to gekkosan its clearly Obama trying to trick you, the reason i want guns is its a sense of protection just incase some government turns into a tyrant or a naked man that wants to rape me in the but turns up i will have my gun.

[QUOTE=GravyKing;39209516]What a lot of people don't realize is that gun control = people control. First they'll take away "assault weapons" (in which assault rifles and pistols are already illegal without an ATF tax stamp), then all semi autos, pistols, pump actions, lever actions, bolt actions, break actions (O&U's, SxSs, SBs), and finally muzzle loaders.[/QUOTE] Sorry, but that is in no way correct. We have no guns here in Denmark (apart from hunting rifles if you're into that stuff), and we aren't "controlled" in any way. I'd even argue that we have more freedom than US citizens, even though we can't have fun with guns.

Wow fp is hick as fuck.

[QUOTE=BlackBirdNL;39217456]Wow fp is hick as fuck.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=cartman;39215067]yes yes every one listen to gekkosan its clearly Obama trying to trick you, the reason i want guns is its a sense of protection just incase some government turns into a tyrant or a naked man that wants to rape me in the but turns up i will have my gun.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Gekkosan;39213789]I have lived in a country where guns are banned aside from hunting rifles, and we are not controlled by our goverment. Its not people control its just an effort to decrease gun kills/massacres.[/QUOTE] Thanks for these intelligent posts.

[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;39217595]Thanks for these intelligent posts.[/QUOTE] I can't tell whether this is ironic or not, the last one isn't dumb in any way.

[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;39217636]I can't tell whether this is ironic or not, the last one isn't dumb in any way.[/QUOTE] Except "assault weapons" account for less than 1% of homicides a year lol

[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;39218109]Except "assault weapons" account for less than 1% of homicides a year lol[/QUOTE] No one mentioned assault weapons dude

[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;39218109]Except "assault weapons" account for less than 1% of homicides a year lol[/QUOTE] Where did the guy say anything about "assault weapons". The words "aside from hunting rifles" are clear on my retina, but "assault weapons" are not. Rather, he was refuting a quite dumb post saying that "no weapons = people control", and his post did that rather brilliantly.

Call me paranoid but i think somebody might start shooting in one of these marches.

[QUOTE=GravyKing;39209516]What a lot of people don't realize is that gun control = people control. First they'll take away "assault weapons" (in which assault rifles and pistols are already illegal without an ATF tax stamp), then all semi autos, pistols, pump actions, lever actions, bolt actions, break actions (O&U's, SxSs, SBs), and finally muzzle loaders.[/QUOTE] It'll never get that bad. People are preparing riots already. Ban weapons completely and you'll have far more than riots.

[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;39219197]Where did the guy say anything about "assault weapons". The words "aside from hunting rifles" are clear on my retina, but "assault weapons" are not. Rather, he was refuting a quite dumb post saying that "no weapons = people control", and his post did that rather brilliantly.[/QUOTE] I assumed he was implying that "assault weapons" caused massacres, considering he said everything but hunting rifles were banned in his country.

[QUOTE=Str4fe;39219213]Call me paranoid but i think somebody might start shooting in one of these marches.[/QUOTE] That would be fucking hilarious to be perfectly honest. I might die from an irony deficiency.

[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;39219392]I assumed he was implying that "assault weapons" caused massacres, considering he said everything but hunting rifles were banned in his country.[/QUOTE] Well, I think he probably means "anything but hunting rifles are banned", but if you legitimately just misunderstood it, fair enough. Try reading more into the context next time, it helps the overall discussion.

[QUOTE=Gekkosan;39213789]I have lived in a country where guns are banned aside from hunting rifles, and we are not controlled by our goverment. Its not people control its just an effort to decrease gun kills/massacres.[/QUOTE] When we're talking about laws there are two kinds of people. Those who follow the law and those who don't. Guess which ones kill people. Now guess which ones will obey the gun ban.

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;39219751]When we're talking about laws there are two kinds of people. Those who follow the law and those who don't. Guess which ones kill people. Now guess which ones will obey the gun ban.[/QUOTE] That's bullshit argument, and you know it. Murder and crime rates in general are social problems, but to say a lenient gun law isn't influencing it at all is just blindfolding yourself. Read through this: [url]http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/guns/procon/guns.html[/url] Straw purchases are a direct result of easy to buy firearms, and they're used in almost 30% of gun crime. if you read the article, it's also reasonable to assume that some gun dealers are also selling guns illegally on the side. At last there's the comparatively minor, but still relevant amount of guns that come from theft: 10%. All these three (quite common) ways for criminals to get guns, are spawned directly by the fact that guns are legal in the US. The problem isn't that the criminals can buy guns, it's that's criminals have friends that can. The fact that about 40-50% of the guns used in crime can be accounted for by these factors is troubling to say the least, and I think it shows that lenient gun laws most definitely have an impact on murder rates. Yes, they could use knives as well, but knives aren't nearly as effective. Do what you want with your country, and have as lenient gun laws as you want - it's really not for me to say whether it's worth it or not, but you can't put [I]all[/I] the blame on something else. Quite a bit, sure, but definitely not all.

[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;39215133]Sorry, but that is in no way correct. We have no guns here in Denmark (apart from hunting rifles if you're into that stuff), and we aren't "controlled" in any way. I'd even argue that we have more freedom than US citizens, even though we can't have fun with guns.[/QUOTE] I wonder why gun rights aren't factored into a country's freedom index. When you think about it they really should be. But anyways it seems like you're misunderstanding something. The purpose of the 2nd is to prevent tyranny, if guns were banned we wouldn't automatically become a tyranny (although some would argue that yes that is the case) we just become a lot more vulnerable to such an occurrence. In other words, a ban on guns doesn't necessarily mean a country is "controlled" as you put it.

[QUOTE=Disotrtion;39220211]I wonder why gun rights aren't factored into a country's freedom index. When you think about it they really should be. But anyways it seems like you're misunderstanding something. The purpose of the 2nd is to prevent tyranny, if guns were banned we wouldn't automatically become a tyranny (although some would argue that yes that is the case) we just become a lot more vulnerable to such an occurrence. In other words, a ban on guns doesn't necessarily mean a country is "controlled" as you put it.[/QUOTE] I didn't put it that way, the guy I quoted did. And no, I don't think you'd be more vulnerable to a government take-over - the military is humongous. And do you really think it'd be realistic in any way?

[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;39220257]I didn't put it that way, the guy I quoted did. And no, I don't think you'd be more vulnerable to a government take-over - the military is humongous. And do you really think it'd be realistic in any way?[/QUOTE] It probably would actually, and the military defections wouldn't start unless the government were slaughtering civlians, and the government wouldn't be doing that unless they were fighting back.

Banning assault weapons will almost only ban them from good people buying them legitimately. If some thug wants one he can buy one off of the black market or an illegal dealer easy.

I just don't get why the USA is apparently so radically different from nearly every developed nation on Earth regarding guns Do you really think that every other country is doing it wrong and they'll wake up one morning with Hitler 2.0 in charge and you'll have the last laugh or something?

[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;39220257]I didn't put it that way, the guy I quoted did. And no, I don't think you'd be more vulnerable to a government take-over - the military is humongous. And do you really think it'd be realistic in any way?[/QUOTE] The military pales in comparison to our citizenry. Are you seriously arguing that the 1.5 million US troops scattered all around the world could put down a revolt of hundreds of millions? Not to mention defections, desertions, etc.

[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;39220344]It probably would actually, and the military defections wouldn't start unless the government were slaughtering civlians, and the government wouldn't be doing that unless they were fighting back.[/QUOTE] If we suppose you're right - what are the chances? I just get a tinfoil hat vibe from it, that's all. It may have been relevant back in the 18th century, but I think it's kinda irrelevant. We've got a lot of countries over here in Europe that is doing pretty fine despite the hypothetical threat of a government take-over. [editline]14th January 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Disotrtion;39220498]The military pales in comparison to our citizenry. Are you seriously arguing that the 1.5 million US troops scattered all around the world could put down a revolt of hundreds of millions? Not to mention defections, desertions, etc.[/QUOTE] Yes? Tanks and so on seem to be important as well, and you're proposing that pretty much every able-bodied citizen should work against them. I find that unlikely. But still a hell of a lot more likely than a government take-over happening in the first place.

[QUOTE=Disotrtion;39220498]The military pales in comparison to our citizenry. Are you seriously arguing that the 1.5 million US troops scattered all around the world could put down a revolt of hundreds of millions? Not to mention defections, desertions, etc.[/QUOTE] Don't forget that the US is incredibly active in international diplomacy and very close to other world powers, not to mention the UN. I can't see Europe for example just sitting back and watching blatant abuse of the american people

[QUOTE=jptalbert;39220417]Banning assault weapons will almost only ban them from good people buying them legitimately. If some thug wants one he can buy one off of the black market or an illegal dealer easy.[/QUOTE] Try reading my post about precisely this argument. It isn't like criminals are fairies that get their weapons from some shadow in the other-world, they'll have to get hands on them. If a country is filled with weapons, it's gonna be easier to get one. There's a reason why there's less gun-related crime in Europe, it's simply not as easy to get your hands on such stuff. We've got stabbings, sure, but it [I]is[/I] much harder to get your hands on a weapon. And not just if you're a law-abiding citizen.