I'm referring to things like 420chan's /gore/ board, GUROchan, bestgore, and websites like Rotten, or Ogrish, or some of the more disturbing content on Liveleak. Gore, sometimes with a pornographic, almost snuff movie-like angle to it. In your opinion, debatepunch, is it wrong for someone to view these materials and perhaps gain sexual arousal and gratification from them?
I find it creepy. Illegal obviously not, immoral? I'd say so. It isn't normal and it is signs of some weird underlying issues.
Generally serial killers are into that sort of thing lol
Why should it be wrong? Those images are going to be on the net regardless, why should it be a problem if someone wanks to it?
As long as people don't act it out in real life, I have no problem with it.
[QUOTE=Aman VII;33867674]I find it creepy. Illegal obviously not, immoral? I'd say so. It isn't normal and it is signs of some weird underlying issues.
Generally serial killers are into that sort of thing lol[/QUOTE]
How does not normal translate to immoral?
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Not to mention sexual arousal is not something you generally control.
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;33867745]How does not normal translate to immoral?
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Not to mention sexual arousal is not something you generally control.[/QUOTE]
I dunno, weird grey area topic.
Usually when you have someone getting off to torture/death/etc they are murderers and serial killers.
Not really. It's not like you're hurting anyone, and it doesn't make you inclined to go chop off someones legs and insert your cock into their eye socket or whatever.
We don't control what we find sexy, and we shouldn't be considered 'immoral' or 'wrong' for enjoying those pleasures rather than denying them.
Isn't most of this shit just drawings anyway?
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Usually when you have someone getting off to torture/death/etc they are murderers and serial killers.[/QUOTE]
Really, I wasn't aware that I'm a serial killer, although I just look at the drawn stuff so maybe that's why?
[QUOTE=Aman VII;33867781]Usually when you have someone getting off to torture/death/etc they are murderers and serial killers.[/QUOTE]
are you sure it isn't the other way around
Theres nothing wrong with it, Some people like feet, Some like catsuits, Some like midgets, And some like gore. You can't choose what you will be into and as long as they don't try to act it out in real life i see no problem.
I'm not saying everyone who likes it is a killer I'm just saying look at various serial killers and a chunk of them will share a common interest in getting off to death
It is highly questionable in fictional format because it is deriving pleasure from a hypothetical persons suffering and at that point it is more or less perspective as to whether that is wrong. In real format then it is centered around the actual suffering of another person so yes that would [B]probably[/B] be wrong*.
*However there are too many weird as hell circumstances as to consider a blanket statement of wrong.
You have to consider as strange as it sounds consent. Did the filming involve murder or is it something like a filmed autopsy by natural causes.
OP how do you define "wrong" exactly?
[QUOTE=Aman VII;33867933]I'm not saying everyone who likes it is a killer I'm just saying look at various serial killers and a chunk of them will share a common interest in getting off to death[/QUOTE]
People that live next to power lines tend to have shorter life expectancies. Does this mean that power lines cause health problems? No. It's because houses that are next to power lines tend to be in poorer communities, and poor people tend to have worse health.
The existence of correlation does not necessarily imply causation.
[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;33867965]People that live next to power lines tend to have shorter life expectancies. Does this mean that power lines cause health problems? No. It's because houses that are next to power lines tend to be in poorer communities, and poor people tend to have worse health.
The existence of correlation does not necessarily imply causation.[/QUOTE]
I understand what you are saying but I think there [I]is[/I] a correlation between the two.
Well, it's like saying "is it weird to be attracted to feet". Just one involved gore.
[QUOTE=Aman VII;33867983]I understand what you are saying but I think there [I]is[/I] a correlation between the two.[/QUOTE]
Do you have evidence to support this claim?
[QUOTE=Mister Sandman;33867999]Do you have evidence to support this claim?[/QUOTE]
It wasn't a claim, I didn't say "there is" I said [I]I think[/I] there is.
Aka my opinion
[QUOTE=Aman VII;33868019]It wasn't a claim, I didn't say "there is" I said [I]I think[/I] there is.
Aka my opinion[/QUOTE]
Well then, your opinion is irrelevant. Things like this should be decided on logic and facts rather than what you feel.
My only 'evidence' is me finding people getting off to suffering and death creepy and not the norm along with reading about a shit ton of serial killers.
Guess it's sort of ironic I find this gore porn weird and creepy but I really enjoy reading about every killer out there.
people can look at what they like, but it says a lot about a person when they get off to gore porn
[QUOTE=Djentleman;33867670] is it wrong for someone to view these materials and perhaps gain sexual arousal and gratification from them?[/QUOTE]
This requires more understanding of what kind of gratification or arousal the person derives from this.
Does the person derive arousal from suffering or from something else?
Basically, I see it like atheism. There's a very huge lack of evidence to support that there is a God. Am I emotionally happy with this? No, in fact, I'm very unhappy with that. But logic shouldn't be pushed away because it makes you feel bad, or in this case, creeped out. So far I don't know any evidence that supports the claim that there is a correlation between serial killers and gore porn, so I don't believe in the idea that there is one.
I don't think it's wrong. They don't harm anyone by looking.
Death is the last of taboos.. and well, they don't see it as one. Perhaps is breaking that taboo what makes it so good for them?
I can't tell. Someone on here can share his/her experience on the matter? It would be real interesting.
[QUOTE=Mister Sandman;33868121]Basically, I see it like atheism. There's a very huge lack of evidence to support that there is a God. Am I emotionally happy with this? No, in fact, I'm very unhappy with that. But logic shouldn't be pushed away because it makes you feel bad, or in this case, creeped out. So far I don't know any evidence that supports the claim that there is a correlation between serial killers and gore porn, so I don't believe in the idea that there is one.[/QUOTE]
That doesn't really come to any conclusion as to whether it is wrong from at least the perspective of continuing the species.
[QUOTE=Thlis;33868156]That doesn't really come to any conclusion as to whether it is wrong from at least the perspective of continuing the species.[/QUOTE]
I'm not really sure what you're saying here.
If you mean it's fine in that it does not impact the continuation of the species, I don't see why it would impact the species very much at all, because we have serial killers and we have guro fetishists, and our population is doing just fine.
It's fine with me, the person can masturbate to whatever he wants as long as he doesn't do it in the real world.
You can't exactly choose what you like yourself, and having a way to get off to your fetish without harming other people is always good to have.
[QUOTE=Mister Sandman;33868209]I'm not really sure what you're saying here.
If you mean it's fine in that it does not impact the continuation of the species, I don't see why it would impact the species very much at all, because we have serial killers and we have guro fetishists, and our population is doing just fine.[/QUOTE]
To derive pleasure from the suffering of your own species seems wrong from at least that perspective.
I am not saying it is morally wrong but I don't think it is exactly a healthy thing.
[QUOTE=Thlis;33868247]To derive pleasure from the suffering of your own species seems wrong from at least that perspective[/QUOTE]
Maybe, but that perspective doesn't matter that much anymore. We've got seven billion motherfuckers on this planet. Population's gonna continue marching on whether or not guro fetishists are jerking off to the suffering of others. It's harmless.
[QUOTE=Thlis;33868247]I am not saying it is morally wrong but I don't think it is exactly a healthy thing.[/QUOTE]
Well, that remains to be seen once again via evidence.
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Well, that remains to be seen once again via evidence.[/QUOTE]
If someone is deriving pleasure from that avenue then there certainly is a chance that there might be something wrong with them depending on how they process it.
AFAIK most of the stuff gore fetishists use to satisfy their desires fall into on of two categories:
1) things that were not originally intended to fulfill one's sexual fantasy
and 2) things that do not depict any real humans dying
Fetishes don't seem to affect a person's morality as much as we like to think. In fact, no aspect of sex does, really. People just seem to have a hard time considering the idea that one can separate sexual desires from morality, especially when it involves something as extreme as pain and death.
And when it comes right down to it gore/death is perhaps the least common form of morally-questionable pornography out there. The amount of fictional rape in porn nowadays is astonishingly high. There are obviously a lot of people who can get off to the idea of someone getting raped, but very few of them go out and do it in real life.
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