Women's rights activist doesn't like RapeLay, players say "shut up bitch" - Polidicks

[url]http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/dec/16/adult-videogames-sexual-violence-women[/url] [quote] Mark Kermode says we should be relaxed about adult themes in videogames (Should we avoid violent games?, 11 December). He confesses to knowing nothing about these games: "I don't play them and probably never will." But he then says, "I do know something about horror films, and the moral panic they provoke," and takes issue with the "ominous sense of ill-informed outrage" about the modern videogames market. He then advises readers looking for a sensible opinion on the subject to refer to "someone who knows, someone who plays them, someone who actually likes them". In short, the fans. My organisation, Equality Now, has heard a lot from the fans of some of these games. We highlighted the game RapeLay, produced in Japan, as one example of many that promote violence against women. In RapeLay the player manipulates an onscreen penis to simulate rape of a woman and her young daughters over and over again. Our international campaign called on the Japanese government to ban games that promote sexual violence against women and girls. Fans of these games were outraged. They asked us why we were targeting RapeLay when, they said, it was mild compared to similar available games. In Japan there is a whole genre of extreme pornography, known as hentai, which takes in cartoons and comic books as well as videogames. Imagery includes women and girls being molested, stalked and gang-raped. We received hundreds of emails from around the world, many calling for our own rape and murder. "By the way, I played RapeLay (doing the 13-year-old was best)", said one, referring to the pre-pubescent girl whom players "rape" in the game. Kermode recalls media coverage in the 1980s – when horror movies were seen as likely to "deprave and corrupt" – and suggests that we now have a more sophisticated attitude to that genre. "With almost any genuine art form, the most important works can rarely be taken at face value," he asserts. But if games such as RapeLay can now be classified as art, maybe the popular media promotion of sexual violence against women is so normalised that we don't even pay attention any more. Does "killing" a prostituted woman in Grand Theft Auto just reconfirm to a gamer the "lesser value" of women in prostitution generally? What we know is that violence against women and girls is all too real. The NSPCC for example reported in September that a third of teenage girls in a relationship suffer unwanted sexual acts (including rape) and a quarter physical violence such as being slapped, punched or beaten by their boyfriends. Certainly the UN's women's committee believes that gender stereotypes, including those of women as sex objects, and gender-based discriminatory attitudes, contribute to violence against women. Will the players of RapeLay act on their threats towards us? It's just a game, don't threaten our free speech, say the fans who tell us to shut up or else. Maybe Kermode was right after all when he said we should ask the fans. They certainly gave us their answer loud and clear. [/quote] Guardian seems mad

Lol RapeLay

Rapelay= 100% of the gaming market didn't you guys know that

Do not read if easily angered by stupidity and ignorance.

Killuah: guardian.co.uk is not a valid source of information. It's just idiots and human failures publishing the products of their digestive system through the internet.

It's true rapelay should never have been made let alone released but the guardian is just being stupid.

I remember when they hired Anne Diamond to be a games reviewer... Oh the hilarity!

Because RapeLay is exactly what every other game out there is like. Who the fuck makes a game like that anyways? Orite, Japan.

Note: This isn't an official guardian article, before you guys go shitting all over it. It's a place where people can go and post articles - notice the 'Comment is Free'? [url=http://www.guardian.co.uk/profile/jacqueline-hunt]Look at her user page[/url] - she heads up a woman's organisation, of course it's going to be biased.

[QUOTE=Pascall;19012596]Because RapeLay is exactly what every other game out there is like. Who the fuck makes a game like that anyways? Orite, Japan.[/QUOTE] Well said bro. [img]http://i.somethingawful.com//sasbi/2007/01/elpintogrande/25-rapelay_geometric.jpg[/img]

porn is filmed therefore all films are evil erotica is written therefore all words are evil cartoon dicks are drawn therefore all drawings are evil

To be fair, the blood covering the penis after you break the hymens of the young girls is done in such a detailed manner in RapeLay you could argue it has some artistic merit [editline]06:57PM[/editline] [quote]Our international campaign called on the Japanese government to ban games that promote sexual violence against women and girls.[/quote] What, so violence against men and boys is ok? :downs:

[QUOTE]Our international campaign called on the Japanese government to ban games that promote sexual violence against women and girls.[/QUOTE] So if they made a game about raping men and boys it would be perfectly fine?

Because in Grand Theft Auto you were forced to kill the hookers. :rolleyes:

The Guardian is the best newspaper :smug:

So, in this game, you rape a 13 year old girl, isn't that technically child porn?

It's Japan. They don't care. :v: Also, even if it WAS here, drawn CP isn't illegal, as far as I know. Only real pics.

Reminds me of those articles on the mass effect "rape simulator".

I used to think twice before I ran over a hooker in real life, but after GTAIV I don't give it a second thought.

brb playing RapeLay

[QUOTE=Pascall;19013725]Also, even if it WAS here, drawn CP isn't illegal, as far as I know. Only real pics.[/QUOTE] Drawn CP is illegal in the UK. [editline]07:52PM[/editline] There's a fine line though. As in, if it's extremely realistic CGI CP then it's illegal, but if it's just a poorly drawn naked child drawn in the margin of a textbook with a biro pen, then it's not illegal.

She has no say in what is and isn't art

[QUOTE=Killuah;19012437]Killuah: guardian.co.uk is not a valid source of information. It's just idiots and human failures publishing the products of their digestive system through the internet.[/QUOTE] But they have Charlie Brooker.

Meh, while i see their point they are using a rather extreme example. [editline]07:59PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Killuah;19012437]Killuah: guardian.co.uk is not a valid source of information. It's just idiots and human failures publishing the products of their digestive system through the internet.[/QUOTE] The Guardian is one of the few that British newspapers where i don't feel like my intelligence is being insulted.

[QUOTE=Killuah;19012437]Killuah: guardian.co.uk is not a valid source of information. It's just idiots and human failures publishing the products of their digestive system through the internet.[/QUOTE] yes the guardian is a gutter tabloid like the daily mail, good to see you read a lot. the article is written by a woman who conveniently brings in feminism to a sensible topic, like women always do.

RapeLay really isn't related to the rest of the video game market at all. That's like saying Gone With The Wind = Sasha Grey's Extreme Gangbang because they both come on DVDs.

[QUOTE=Splurgy;19012983]To be fair, the blood covering the penis after you break the hymens of the young girls is done in such a detailed manner in RapeLay you could argue it has some artistic merit [editline]06:57PM[/editline] What, so violence against men and boys is ok? :downs:[/QUOTE] Of course it is! You seriously think feminists care about males? :frown:

[QUOTE=Killuah;19012437]Killuah: guardian.co.uk is not a valid source of information. It's just idiots and human failures publishing the products of their digestive system through the internet.[/QUOTE] I think you are confusing it with the daily mail

[QUOTE=Useful Dave;19014211]But they have Charlie Brooker.[/QUOTE] They've now also bought Sarah Palin into the Comment Free or whatever it's called section. This of course speaks volumes for the quality of that section of the Guardian.

They're right though, RapeLay is pornography, it may be a game but it's still more pornography than anything else. But then, I doubt whoever wrote that article is familiar with Japan, while the rest of us come to expect these kinds of things from them.