Walmart and Dick's Sporting Goods put new limits on gun sales - Polidicks

[quote]Dick’s Sporting Goods Inc, one of the US’s largest sports sellers, is ending the sale of all assault-style weapons in its stores in the wake of the recent massacre at a high school in Florida. Later Wednesday, Walmart joined Dick’s in tightening company controls on gun sales,[B] raising the minimum age at which customers could buy firearms and ammunition to 21 years. The US retail company, which stopped selling assault-style weapons in 2015, that it was also removing items from its website resembling such weapons, including non-lethal airsoft guns and toys. [/B] “We take seriously our obligation to be a responsible seller of firearms and go beyond Federal law by requiring customers to pass a background check before purchasing any firearm,” Walmart said, adding: “Our heritage as a company has always been in serving sportsmen and hunters, and we will continue to do so in a responsible way.” Dick’s CEO Ed Stack, in an interview with ABC News on Wednesday, [B]said the company would no longer sell assault-style firearms or high-capacity magazines. “We’re taking these guns out of all of our stores permanently,”[/B] Stack said. He also announced that Dick’s would impose a ban on sales of guns to those under age 21. Pennsylvania-based [B]Dick’s is one of the nation’s largest gun sellers[/B] and sells weapons through its Dick’s Sporting Goods and Field & Stream stores.[/quote] [url]https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/feb/28/dicks-sporting-goods-guns-assault-rifle[/url]

Andddd their gun sales plummet.

[QUOTE=Episode;53168716]Andddd gun sales plummet.[/QUOTE] Isn't that a good thing?

A republican being in office will reduce gun says... now all of a sudden Trump's not taking the 'right' side of guns Now two pretty huge stores to get guns are are adding limits? Hot damn

[QUOTE=Episode;53168716]Andddd gun sales plummet.[/QUOTE] you can't drink in the US before 21, why should you be able to own a gun? I'm not against gun ownership rights, but there's some clear, clear disparities there.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;53168729]you can't drink in the US before 21, why should you be able to own a gun? I'm not against gun ownership rights, but there's some clear, clear disparities there.[/QUOTE] However, you can join the military at 18 and potentially get sent home in a casket before 19.

[QUOTE=P.;53168726]Isn't that a good thing?[/QUOTE] No, not really. It's even more honest, blue-collar jobs going up in smoke, another hit to the economy, and another knee-jerk reaction that won't ultimately have any meaningful effect on these sorts of incidents. [editline]1st March 2018[/editline] [QUOTE=HumanAbyss;53168729]you can't drink in the US before 21, why should you be able to own a gun? I'm not against gun ownership rights, but there's some clear, clear disparities there.[/QUOTE] Scenario: You join the USMC right out of high school, get excellent training, get deployed, do two tours, return home. You're 19 and a few months old. You're better trained with a firearm than 95% of our police officers, better disciplined too, *yet you're not allowed to buy one of your own due to some arbitrary bullshit*. Make any sense to you?

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;53168729]you can't drink in the US before 21, why should you be able to own a gun? I'm not against gun ownership rights, but there's some clear, clear disparities there.[/QUOTE] Alcohol is a very different topic and it has more to do with brain chemistry and developmental health It's also a bullshit age limit to begin with, and should be lowered, regardless. I don't really see what the limit of something else has to do with it, really.

[QUOTE=CunningHam;53168763]Very good point! The age to join the military should be raised as well.[/QUOTE] Why?

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;53168766]Why?[/QUOTE] So they're closer to mentally being adults when potentially becoming cannon fodder?

[QUOTE=TestECull;53168735]No, not really. It's even more honest, blue-collar jobs going up in smoke, another hit to the economy, and another knee-jerk reaction that won't ultimately have any meaningful effect on these sorts of incidents. [editline]1st March 2018[/editline] Scenario: You join the USMC right out of high school, get excellent training, get deployed, do two tours, return home. You're 19 and a few months old. You're better trained with a firearm than 95% of our police officers, better disciplined too, *yet you're not allowed to buy one of your own due to some arbitrary bullshit*. Make any sense to you?[/QUOTE] I don’t think that banning anyone under the age of 21 from buying guns will significantly affect business at either store. Most kids that age probably wouldn’t even have enough money to buy a gun. But if it does help to prevent a would-be school shooter from getting their hands on a gun (I assume most school shooters are not older than 21), then it’s a good policy. Also the whole ‘[i]you’d be able to serve in the army when you’re 19, but wouldn’t be able to get your hands on a gun when you get home[/i]’ thing doesn’t make sense anyways, because these under-21 bans are being imposed by retailers in the market; not governments. No constitutional right has been violated.

They can do whatever they want, I have never gotten a gun from either. Besides, it's capitalism. The tiny local gun store that I do go to has a much better selection anyways. Walmart and Dick's are just virtue signalling, like they did before. Pointless to do.

I wonder if they will refuse to accept a transfer.

[QUOTE=TestECull;53168735]No, not really. It's even more honest, blue-collar jobs going up in smoke, another hit to the economy, and another knee-jerk reaction that won't ultimately have any meaningful effect on these sorts of incidents. [editline]1st March 2018[/editline] Scenario: You join the USMC right out of high school, get excellent training, get deployed, do two tours, return home. You're 19 and a few months old. You're better trained with a firearm than 95% of our police officers, better disciplined too, *yet you're not allowed to buy one of your own due to some arbitrary bullshit*. Make any sense to you?[/QUOTE] No it doesn't Why can a teen join the military? That's just a whole thing that's also an issue I don't think young people are stupid but I know in my youth I made lots of decisions I can see the echos of in my later years that I awash sure wouldn't play out that way. My point isn't "teens are dumb" my point is that people who lack life experience often make choices without really acknowledging the consequences. It's actually a feature of our biology at that age and I don't get why we would send them to war, or let them carry a gun unless it's a necessity

[QUOTE=BF;53168781] Also the whole ‘[i]you’d be able to serve in the army when you’re 19, but wouldn’t be able to get your hands on a gun when you get home[/i]’ thing doesn’t make sense anyways, because these under-21 bans are being imposed by retailers in the market; not governments. No constitutional right has been violated.[/QUOTE] Actually Florida just passed a law making the legal age limit to purchase a firearm to 21, which is where I suspect these companies are taking their number from.

i didn't even know you could buy guns at wal-mart

[QUOTE=Keychain;53168843]i didn't even know you could buy guns at wal-mart[/QUOTE] Quite a few chains will have gun counters in their stores that are outside of major cities. My town has two Fred Meyers and a Walmart, and all three have gun counters.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;53168836]Actually Florida just passed a law making the legal age limit to purchase a firearm to 21, which is where I suspect these companies are taking their number from.[/QUOTE] Which is a bit retarded for them to be making a law in reaction to this ONE particular incident.... I imagine the law will be struck down as unconstitutional. A person's rights cannot be put behind an arbitrary age limit. If you are the age of majority, you have all of the rights. And alcohol is a poor comparison since it isn't considered a right to drink it. Though it is fun pointing out that Prohibition spurred much of the crime we see today. Since it created the illegal gangs/mobs/etc that shifted to illegal drugs when alcohol was allowed again. Really, a lot of crime could be prevented by taking away the incentive for gangs to exist. Make what is currently illegal drugs legal. But just make it designed to discourage people from the hard drugs. Show them the evidence of the effects the drugs have on the body, like they've been trying with tobacco.

[QUOTE=Kigen;53168999]Which is a bit retarded for them to be making a law in reaction to this ONE particular incident....[/QUOTE] There has been more than one "incident" recently, dude

[QUOTE=Kigen;53168999]Which is a bit retarded for them to be making a law in reaction to this ONE particular incident.... I imagine the law will be struck down as unconstitutional. A person's rights cannot be put behind an arbitrary age limit. If you are the age of majority, you have all of the rights. And alcohol is a poor comparison since it isn't considered a right to drink it. Though it is fun pointing out that Prohibition spurred much of the crime we see today. Since it created the illegal gangs/mobs/etc that shifted to illegal drugs when alcohol was allowed again. Really, a lot of crime could be prevented by taking away the incentive for gangs to exist. Make what is currently illegal drugs legal. But just make it designed to discourage people from the hard drugs. Show them the evidence of the effects the drugs have on the body, like they've been trying with tobacco.[/QUOTE] I have wondered why no one challenged the 21 handgun/NFA item rule though. If that hasn't been struck down, this might not be either.

You can't even buy airsoft BB's at wal mart without being 18, at least the ones I've been in It's still kind of stupid to raise the age to 21 because of school shootings when none of them were committed with a firearm that the kid went out and bought from a store

[QUOTE=TheTalon;53169209]You can't even buy airsoft BB's at wal mart without being 18, at least the ones I've been in It's still kind of stupid to raise the age to 21 because of school shootings when none of them were committed with a firearm that the kid went out and bought from a store[/QUOTE] I mean, I'm pro gun as ever, but that's blatantly false in this most recent instance. I don't agree with the age raise, but Cruz did buy the firearm he used from a shop.

[QUOTE=Kigen;53168999]Which is a bit retarded for them to be making a law in reaction to this ONE particular incident.... [/QUOTE] About that, lad. [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_the_United_States[/url] [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_shootings_in_the_United_States[/url]

[QUOTE=Kigen;53168999]I imagine the law will be struck down as unconstitutional. A person's rights cannot be put behind an arbitrary age limit. If you are the age of majority, you have all of the rights.[/QUOTE] What if you are a felon? What if you are mentally ill? You don't have "all the rights" automatically when you reach the age of majority. Heller sets a pretty high standard for striking down a gun control law as unconstitutional. Very, very few laws have been struck down since.

Honestly from a business point of view this a the right move. The worst thing you want is to be labeled all over the news that the gunman bought your gun from your store. You know how social media chews that shit up. Dicks sporting goods tweeted out that "Cruz bought a shotgun from us, while he didn't use it at the school, he could of." No business wants to be the guy that supplied a murderer. Just my two thoughts

[QUOTE=Shibbey;53169049]There has been more than one "incident" recently, dude[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=J!NX;53169215]About that, lad. [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_the_United_States[/url] [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_shootings_in_the_United_States[/url][/QUOTE] First, I'm talking about this specific law. Moving the age from 18 to 21. Second, citing those Wikipedia articles is silly. How many of those shooting would have been stopped by this proposed law? (And my comments were in reference to this specific law and its effects.) Bad laws are way worse than doing nothing. [editline]1st March 2018[/editline] [QUOTE=download;53169051]I have wondered why no one challenged the 21 handgun/NFA item rule though. If that hasn't been struck down, this might not be either.[/QUOTE] Probably because you could still get a rifle. That seems to be the way the courts seem to see it. As long as you can obtain some sort of weapon then your rights weren't infringed. But if they make it so you basically cannot obtain any weapon until 21 then I doubt even the 9th Circus would support it.

[QUOTE=Kigen;53169262]Probably because you could still get a rifle. That seems to be the way the courts seem to see it. As long as you can obtain some sort of weapon then your rights weren't infringed. But if they make it so you basically cannot obtain any weapon until 21 then I doubt even the 9th Circus would support it.[/QUOTE] The unnecessary jab at the 9th aside, the Heller court held [i]precisely the opposite[/i]. A handgun ban was not constitutional merely because you could buy a different type of gun.

[QUOTE=Snowmew;53169270]The unnecessary jab at the 9th aside, the Heller court held [i]precisely the opposite[/i]. A handgun ban was not constitutional merely because you could buy a different type of gun.[/QUOTE] I know what Heller held. But the lower courts love to make their own interpretations of it. Regardless of the plain language of the decision. But my comment about that is because that is something the 9th Circuit has held. Because you are able to obtain at least something then no rights were violated. Just look at the fights going on there about the Assault Weapons Bans and may-issue CCW.

[url=https://www.wsj.com/articles/kroger-to-stop-selling-guns-to-buyers-under-21-1519911901?mod=e2tw]Kroger is following suit. They're also refusing to sell firearms to buyers under 21 who shop in their Fred Meyer locations.[/url]

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