See title. This is a thread where you can argue about gun control. Post your ideal gun control policy, and sit back while you get rated dumbs and/or winners.
I'll start.
I'm a liberal, but I fucking love guns. I think civilians should be able to buy hunting rifles (semi-auto shotguns, rifles that fire cartridges of any caliber below 20mm), certain pistols (nothing smaller than an FP-45), and, in certain areas, personal defense weapons.
All firearms must be purchased with a permit acquired thorough licensing process to keep them away from the dumbasses with no trigger disciple.
I really don't care about people having guns, but if you ever point one at me there is going to be one hell of a bloody mess.
[QUOTE=ultra_bright;29491546]I really don't care about people having guns, but if you ever point one at me there is going to be one hell of a bloody mess.[/QUOTE]
Internet tough guy.
Ideal: Guns are hevily restricted, only hunters or people working for the government should be allowed, exceptions for people who are in situations where they would need a gun in case they need to portect themselves, i.e protecting a witness of a crime from some gangsters or some shit.
Okay I understand, you like tools of murder.
[QUOTE=Kontradaz;29491604]Internet tough guy.[/QUOTE]
no i think he's implying he'll be shot therefore bleeding
[QUOTE=blezzy;29491641]no i think he's implying he'll be shot therefore bleeding[/QUOTE]
Almost definitely what he was getting at.
[QUOTE=ultra_bright;29491546]I really don't care about people having guns, but if you ever point one at me there is going to be one hell of a bloody mess.[/QUOTE]
Hell yah brah! That clown that points that gun at me, im gunna use my aerobics and take it straight out of his hands, and put my gun in his holster.
Personally, I think guns should require licenses like cars with mandatory education on gun discipline and gun laws before you use them. Anyone crazy enough to commit a crime using a weapon will probably get the job done by any other means anyway but there are plenty of idiots who inadvertently danger others by not using guns and ammo correctly.
Guns shouldn't be banned.
[QUOTE=fishyfish777;29491747]Personally, I think guns should require licenses like cars with mandatory education on gun discipline and gun laws before you use them. Anyone crazy enough to commit a crime using a weapon will probably get the job done by any other means anyway but there are plenty of idiots who inadvertently danger others by not using guns and ammo correctly.[/QUOTE]
Pretty much how gun control works in Canada.
Gun's shouldn't be banned, they should just be heavily regulated and people would require a license and a background check before getting one.
[QUOTE=Tyrannosaur;29491844]Guns shouldn't be banned. And neither should bullets (to prevent liberals from trying to ban bullets since they can't ban guns).[/QUOTE]
Yeah, but gun control is a double edged sword. Since people like to think that we, the human race have full capability to live in a utopia-esque society. We must ban guns because guns cause war and crime. But in the real world, wars and crime are a element that will always exist. Therefor guns will provide ones with protection with the criminals in the world with guns.
Everyone who doesn't have mental sickness or any criminal charges in the past should have access to guns.
This thread should be a poll instead.
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Because I'm pretty sure most of facepunch has the same opinion on gun control.
[QUOTE=Tyrannosaur;29491844]Guns shouldn't be banned.[/QUOTE]
Do you have a reason? A reason other than our horridly outdated constitution?
We (civilians) have no use for guns. But they're cool, so let's sell them to people who won't forget to put safety on when they're done with them.
[QUOTE=Big Orca;29491955]We (civilians) have no use for guns.[/QUOTE]
So self-defense is not a valid use for guns anymore ?
Also, just because I don't need it doesn't mean I shouldn't be able to get it, that's retarded.
[QUOTE=Big Orca;29491955]Do you have a reason? A reason other than our horridly outdated constitution?
We (civilians) have no use for guns. But they're cool, so let's sell them to people who won't forget to put safety on when they're done with them.[/QUOTE]
In a democratic society we have the freedom to do what we want. Whether it be worshipping some crackpot religion to protesting dumb conspiracy theories to owning guns.
Not like those examples are all in the same boat or anything. Its just that we have the freedom to do what we want as long as it isn't putting people directly in any sort of danger.
The Canadian system seems to be fine to me. You have to take a course and a test to obtain a long gun licence, and some more for a pistol licence. I believe that guns should be accessible, but some restrictions in place as well.
Background check is fine. Education is fine too, but should not be compulsory for every purchase. (cars don't require buyers to take a driver's ed course before each purchase)
Edit: So I forgot to say that yes, a license is a good idea. (Just to clear up any discrepancies)
ITT shitstorm
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it's bound to happen
[QUOTE=ultra_bright;29492019]In a democratic society we have the freedom to do what we want. Whether it be worshipping some crackpot religion to protesting dumb conspiracy theories to owning guns.
Not like those examples are all in the same boat or anything. Its just that we have the freedom to do what we want as long as it isn't putting people directly in any sort of danger.[/QUOTE]
This. I believe we should be able to do whatever we want, as long as it doesn't compromise the freedoms of an individual or group of individuals. That, and the practice of said belief shouldn't be a detriment to the advancement of society and culture.
Ib4Tyrannosaur.
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[QUOTE=Shostakovich;29492108]Background check is fine. Education is fine too, but should not be compulsory for every purchase. (cars don't require buyers to take a driver's ed course before each purchase)[/QUOTE]
I meant permits for types of guns, such as shotguns, pistols, hunting rifles, ect. Someone could be amazing with a pistol, but be so bad with everything else he's a danger to those around him.
[QUOTE=Shostakovich;29492108]Background check is fine. Education is fine too, but should not be compulsory for every purchase. (cars don't require buyers to take a driver's ed course before each purchase)[/QUOTE]
No, but you still need a license to use it, which basically means you need one when purchasing. (But ill let this one go cause I love your namesake's music :P)
I think the licensing idea as described by Stupideye would be great. You don't need to take a test [i]every[/i] time you go to buy a gun, you just need to prove that you actually know what you're doing (via a license updated every now and then)
Also, this:
[QUOTE=Big Orca;29492311]I meant permits for types of guns, such as shotguns, pistols, hunting rifles, ect. Someone could be amazing with a pistol, but be so bad with everything else he's a danger to those around him.[/QUOTE]
I generally find the idea of legislating for the lowest common denominator an unpleasant idea i.e. banning something because some absolute moron does something idiotic or morally reprehensible with it, ruining it for the vast majority of law-abiding people. That being said, they should most certainly be regulated; background checks coupled with mandatory safety training, and immediate revocation of licence for doing something truly stupid or dangerous with them.
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[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;29492168]ITT shitstorm
[editline]28th April 2011[/editline]
it's bound to happen[/QUOTE]Predictions of shitstorms generally tend to outnumber actual shitstorms.
Everyone who buys a gun should get a thorough background check for any history of mental illness, serious crimes, or general misuse of weapons. And it should be a law that if you have kids your gun is locked the fuck up.
People who go for banning of guns do it for the wrong reasons.
For all the people who know nothing about guns, look at this before saying something stupid.
[url]http://www.lizmichael.com/ninemyth.htm[/url]
Banning guns doesn't keep guns off the street since they will find a way around it.
[quote]Vicious predators who ignore laws against murder, mayhem, and drug
trafficking routinely ignore those existent American gun laws. No amount
of well-meaning, wishful thinking will cause these criminals to honor
additional gun laws.
Advocates of gun control rarely discuss the enforceability of their
proposals, an understandable lapse, since even police-state tactics
cannot effectively enforce gun bans. As evidence, in Communist China, a
country whose human rights record we dare not emulate, 120,000 banned
civilian guns were confiscated in one month in 1994.[25]
Existent gun laws impact only those willing to comply with such laws,
good people who already honor the laws of common decency. Placing
further impediments in the path of good citizens will further
disproportionately disarm those good people - especially disarming good,
poor people, the people who live in the areas of highest risk.
If "better" data are forthcoming, we are ready to reassess the public
policy implications. Until such time, the data suggest that victim
disarmament is not a policy that saves lives.
What does save lives is allowing adult, mentally-competent, law-abiding
citizen access to the safest and most effective means of protection -
guns.[26,27][/quote]
Banning guns causes more gun violence.
[quote]For over twenty years it has been illegal for teens to buy guns and,
despite such gun control, the African-American teenage male homicide rate
in Washington, DC is 227 per 100,000 - 20 times the US average![5] The US
group for whom legal gun ownership has the highest prevalence,
middle-aged white men, has a homicide rate of less than 7 per 100,000 -
about half of the US average.[6]
If the "guns-cause-violence theory is correct why does Virginia, the
alleged "easy purchase source of all those illegal Washington, DC guns,
have a murder rate of 9.3 per 100,000, one-ninth of DC's overall homicide
rate of 80.6?[7 ]Why are homicide rates lowest in states with loose gun
control (North Dakota 1.1, Maine 1.2, South Dakota 1.7, Idaho 1.8, Iowa
2.0, Montana 2.6) and highest in states and the district with draconian
gun controls and bans (District of Columbia 80.6, New York 14.2,
California 12.7, Illinois 11.3, Maryland 11.7)?[7] The
"guns-cause-violence and "guns exacerbate violence theories founder.
Again, the causes of inner city violence are family disruption, media
violence, and abject poverty, not gun ownership.
Accidents
National Safety Council data show that accidental gun deaths have been
falling steadily since the beginning of this century and now hover at an
all time low. This means that about 200 tragic accidental gun deaths
occur annually, a far cry from the familiar false imagery of "thousands
of innocent children.[8]
Suicide
Gun bans result in lower gun suicide rates, but a compensatory increase
in suicide from other accessible and lethal means of suicide (hanging,
leaping, auto exhaust, etc.). The net result of gun bans? No reduction in
total suicide rates.[3] People who are intent in killing themselves find
the means to do so. Are other means of suicide so much more politically
correct that we should focus on measures that decrease gun suicide, but
do nothing to reduce total suicide deaths?[/quote]
So I say that American law is fine the way it is.
[QUOTE=Big Orca;29491955]Do you have a reason? A reason other than our horridly outdated constitution?
We (civilians) have no use for guns.[/QUOTE]
[quote]* Myth #1 "Guns are only used for killing"
Compared to about 35,000 gun deaths every year, 2.5 million good
Americans use guns to protect themselves, their families, and their
livelihoods - there are 65 lives protected by guns for every life lost to
a gun - five lives are protected per minute - and, of those 2.5 million
protective uses of guns, about 1/2 million are believed to have saved
lives.[2][/quote]
Fuck everyone, I want guns so I can be like FPS Russia.
Guns are illegal here (except for hunting and sports, obviously only with a permit) and from what I know and hear, gun violence is pretty rare here and I think it's fine if we keep it this way.
[QUOTE=BrQ;29493422]Guns are illegal here (except for hunting and sports, obviously only with a permit) and from what I know and hear, gun violence is pretty rare here and I think it's fine if we keep it this way.[/QUOTE]
Where the fuck is "here"
Gun control is a fool's dream. Strict gun control only makes good citizens into even better victims. Do you honestly believe that a criminal would abide by the law in order to purchase a firearm and then commit a crime? No, they wouldn't. They acquire them through illegal means. So Joe Average that is about to get mugged or have his house broken into in the middle of the night will have a difficult time protecting his family and property with strict gun laws. I'm not saying there should be no restriction, not at all. But they could be a bit lighter for the law-abiding citizens.
I think the USA has the gun laws down pat. They seem pretty reasonable to me.
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