A lot of people say that I'm throwing my vote away, but I don't feel that way. I'd rather vote for a third party that represents me and my beliefs than for politicians who don't. After reading their party platform and looking into their party and it's views, I have to say that I agree with most, if not all of their ideas. They combine all of the good things about conservativism (guns never getting banned, not socialist healthcare, weaker federal government, requiring the government to obey the Constitution, more economic freedoms, etc.) and the best of liberalism (gay rights, no censorship, no school uniforms, locally run school boards, more personal freedoms, etc.) and none of the bad of either group. Well, that's just my $0.02, if you want read up on them yourself: [url]http://www.lp.org/platform[/url]
Whats wrong with healthcare?
Okay? Why did OP made this thread?
Riveting tale, bro.
Good choice, compared to the other dumbshit parties you Americans have
I agree with them on everything except the healthcare
I love how you think health care is bad.
I think it's better your vote gets wasted.
Libertarian party.
Because only rich people deserve human rights.
[editline]4th April 2011[/editline]
Also guns everywhere
School uniforms don't have anything to do with the government.
[QUOTE=T-hunter;28983176]Whats wrong with healthcare?[/QUOTE]
It's failed everywhere it was tried. It makes everyone pay higher taxes. It lowers the quality of healthcare. It makes longer waiting lines. It eliminates people's ability to choose their own healthcare plans and their own doctors. It means lesser healthcare for the elderly. It makes things even easier on people who don't work and skim off government. There is absolutely no desire for anyone to be a doctor. Oh and don't forget that ever since England adopted universal healthcare, patient deaths due to doctor negligence have risen nearly 80% more than they were before.
This is America, if you need a surgery, you get a job and you work for a living like a normal person, don't skim off government programs that let you sit on your ass for 5 years, or wait, even more years now, since they extended unemployment. For every one person who is legitimately bad off and incapable of rational thought and/or working, there are a thousand people who abuse the system for their own personal gain and take money off of social security. Plus it's not like people don't all get healthcare when they need it, liberal propaganda has people believing that if you go into an emergency room you won't get treated simply because you're not "super rich" which is a complete and utter lie. They are required to treat you, it doesn't matter how much money you have.
Why should the government decide what healthcare I get? Why should the government decide who my doctor is? It shouldn't, but that's what people want. People are getting lazy and stupid, they want the government to do everything for them, since they're too lazy to actually get off their ass and do something like they're supposed to. If anyone remembers during the 2008 election, reporters were asking random people off the street why they were voting for who they were voting for, and the number one answer for people who voted for Obama (a Democrat), was that he would "take care of them" and "pay off their debt for them" because they were too fucking stupid to pay off their own debt, in fact, they were stupid enough to get in debt to begin with by purchasing things they don't need on credit.
Just out of curiosity, have you ever tried to pay for a preventative surgery on minimum wage?
[QUOTE=ShivanCommander;28983340]It's failed everywhere it was tried. It makes everyone pay higher taxes. It lowers the quality of healthcare. It makes longer waiting lines. It eliminates people's ability to choose their own healthcare plans and their own doctors. It means lesser healthcare for the elderly. It makes things even easier on people who don't work and skim off government. There is absolutely no desire for anyone to be a doctor. Oh and don't forget that ever since [b]England adopted universal healthcare, patient deaths due to doctor negligence have risen nearly 80% more than they were before.[/b]
This is America, if you need a surgery, you get a job and you work for a living like a normal person, don't skim off government programs that let you sit on your ass for 5 years, or wait, even more years now, since they extended unemployment. For every one person who is legitimately bad off and incapable of rational thought and/or working, there are a thousand people who abuse the system for their own personal gain and take money off of social security. Plus it's not like people don't all get healthcare when they need it, liberal propaganda has people believing that if you go into an emergency room you won't get treated simply because you're not "super rich" which is a complete and utter lie. They are required to treat you, it doesn't matter how much money you have.
Why should the government decide what healthcare I get? Why should the government decide who my doctor is? It shouldn't, but that's what people want. People are getting lazy and stupid, they want the government to do everything for them, since they're too lazy to actually get off their ass and do something like they're supposed to. If anyone remembers during the 2008 election, reporters were asking random people off the street why they were voting for who they were voting for, and the number one answer for people who voted for Obama (a Democrat), was that he would "take care of them" and "pay off their debt for them" because they were too fucking stupid to pay off their own debt, in fact, they were stupid enough to get in debt to begin with by purchasing things they don't need on credit.[/QUOTE]
taken so out of context its unbelievable lol
american politics fucking suck jesus christ
[QUOTE=ShivanCommander;28983340]It's failed everywhere it was tried. It makes everyone pay higher taxes. It lowers the quality of healthcare. It makes longer waiting lines. It eliminates people's ability to choose their own healthcare plans and their own doctors. It means lesser healthcare for the elderly. It makes things even easier on people who don't work and skim off government. There is absolutely no desire for anyone to be a doctor. Oh and don't forget that ever since England adopted universal healthcare, patient deaths due to doctor negligence have risen nearly 80% more than they were before.
This is America, if you need a surgery, you get a job and you work for a living like a normal person, don't skim off government programs that let you sit on your ass for 5 years, or wait, even more years now, since they extended unemployment. For every one person who is legitimately bad off and incapable of rational thought and/or working, there are a thousand people who abuse the system for their own personal gain and take money off of social security. Plus it's not like people don't all get healthcare when they need it, liberal propaganda has people believing that if you go into an emergency room you won't get treated simply because you're not "super rich" which is a complete and utter lie. They are required to treat you, it doesn't matter how much money you have.
Why should the government decide what healthcare I get? Why should the government decide who my doctor is? It shouldn't, but that's what people want. People are getting lazy and stupid, they want the government to do everything for them, since they're too lazy to actually get off their ass and do something like they're supposed to. If anyone remembers during the 2008 election, reporters were asking random people off the street why they were voting for who they were voting for, and the number one answer for people who voted for Obama (a Democrat), was that he would "take care of them" and "pay off their debt for them" because they were too fucking stupid to pay off their own debt, in fact, they were stupid enough to get in debt to begin with by purchasing things they don't need on credit.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.medicareaustralia.gov.au/about/index.jsp[/url]
Educate yourself. Now.
[QUOTE=Daggoth;28983382]Just out of curiosity, have you ever tried to pay for a preventative surgery on minimum wage?[/QUOTE]
I work a minimum wage job.
What the hell, do you know what healthcare is?
[QUOTE=T-hunter;28983176]Whats wrong with healthcare?[/QUOTE]
Socialized healthcare, inherently, has nothing wrong with it. The problem comes in when you realise that the United States has a nasty long track record of fucking that kind of thing up.
Also: socialism has a bit of a bad stigma here after the cold war, seeing as the USSR was a socialist state.
Healthcare is nice. I just hope that it won't be scraped half way.
Or something else.
i think this video sums up the problems that America faces with adopting universal healthcare
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wi9y5-Vo61w[/media]
[QUOTE=ShivanCommander;28983434]I work a minimum wage job.[/QUOTE]
That didn't answer the question.
[QUOTE=Greaterbeing;28983401]taken so out of context its unbelievable lol
american politics fucking suck jesus christ[/QUOTE]
of course you idiots don't see that he's right.
[QUOTE=Noth;28983469]That didn't answer the question.[/QUOTE]
No, I've never required surgery. But if I did, I can guarantee you that I would start making those paychecks count.
[QUOTE=ShivanCommander;28983496]No, I've never required surgery. But if I did, I can guarantee you that I would start making those paychecks count.[/QUOTE]
How much do you earn in a year?
[QUOTE=ButtsexV17;28983471]of course you idiots don't see that he's right.[/QUOTE]
uh i agree with him. i think that its far too late for the US to adopt universal or partially free healthcare.
i'm just saying that american politics have been completely warped since the 1980s
statistics and facts are taken hugely out of context. heck, often enough its just pure lies or completely misleading.
I work near minimum wage, and I've had (minor) surgery. The health insurance that I pay for myself paid for most of it, so I only had to pay a few hundred dollars. If you're any decent with money a few hundred dollars isn't hard to come by.
[QUOTE=T-hunter;28983511]How much do you earn in a year?[/QUOTE]
Upwards of $6900 a year.
There's a think called insurance in America, and your co-pay covers most of the cost of healthcare, including surgeries.
As an Australian who lives under state healthcare, and has had his and loved ones lives saved by the system, at no real cost to any of us, I think it's fucking sad how some American's try and justify privatized healthcare despite the thousands who can't afford it dying simply because they don't have the cash.
What kills me is that we say " we don't like universal healthcare because it is socialist." meanwhile, our damn public education system and the postal service is socialist. people over here are sometimes fucking retarded. And I am tired of hearing "HURP WE WOULD LIKE HAVE TO WAIT DAYS TO GET HEALTHCARE" I would rather have some kind of healthcare than no healthcare at all. Over here pharmaceuticals are outrageously over priced too. most prescriptions are in the 30-80$ range. My cousin who is autistic needs a certain pill so he can function better, but the prescription cost 95$ per bottle. My uncle's insurance won't cover it saying that it is too expensive for them. Horseshit.
[QUOTE=ShivanCommander;28983340]It's failed everywhere it was tried. It makes everyone pay higher taxes. It lowers the quality of healthcare. It makes longer waiting lines. It eliminates people's ability to choose their own healthcare plans and their own doctors. It means lesser healthcare for the elderly. It makes things even easier on people who don't work and skim off government. There is absolutely no desire for anyone to be a doctor. Oh and don't forget that ever since England adopted universal healthcare, patient deaths due to doctor negligence have risen nearly 80% more than they were before.
This is America, if you need a surgery, you get a job and you work for a living like a normal person, don't skim off government programs that let you sit on your ass for 5 years, or wait, even more years now, since they extended unemployment. For every one person who is legitimately bad off and incapable of rational thought and/or working, there are a thousand people who abuse the system for their own personal gain and take money off of social security. Plus it's not like people don't all get healthcare when they need it, liberal propaganda has people believing that if you go into an emergency room you won't get treated simply because you're not "super rich" which is a complete and utter lie. They are required to treat you, it doesn't matter how much money you have.
Why should the government decide what healthcare I get? Why should the government decide who my doctor is? It shouldn't, but that's what people want. People are getting lazy and stupid, they want the government to do everything for them, since they're too lazy to actually get off their ass and do something like they're supposed to. If anyone remembers during the 2008 election, reporters were asking random people off the street why they were voting for who they were voting for, and the number one answer for people who voted for Obama (a Democrat), was that he would "take care of them" and "pay off their debt for them" because they were too fucking stupid to pay off their own debt, in fact, they were stupid enough to get in debt to begin with by purchasing things they don't need on credit.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.nhs.uk/choiceintheNHS/Yourchoices/GPchoice/Pages/ChoosingaGP.aspx[/url]
Yeah no one in the UK can pick what doctor they want :rolleyes:
And don't you just hate it when poor people get healthcare, I sure as shit do I think the poor and weak should die rather than live in my ~non-socialist~ healthcare.
[QUOTE=ShivanCommander;28983340]
This is America, if you need a surgery, you get a job and you work for a living like a normal person,[/QUOTE]
The fact you act like this is a good thing is worrying.
Oh this is gonna end good...
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