[QUOTE]A 9-year-old boy who [B]told police he was being bullied[/B] has been charged with bringing a handgun to Ellis Elementary School outside Manassas.
... school officials confiscated the gun -- [B][U]which was disassembled and in a case[/U][/B] -- from a fourth-grade student, said police spokeswoman Ericca Figueroa.
The boy brought the gun from his home, Figueroa said, and had been showing it to other students, apparently on the school bus. One of those students reported the gun to a teacher, who reported it to the school administration.
The[B][U] disassembled gun could not have been discharged in that state[/U][/B], police and school officials said.
The boy was [B]charged with possession of a firearm on school property and released to the custody of a parent.[/B]
Police also [B]charged a 29-year-old man, Travis Pettie of the 10000 block of Statesboro Street, with contributing to the delinquency of a minor for leaving the gun unsecured.[/B] Figueroa declined to say what relationship Pettie has with the boy, citing the ongoing investigation.
Parents of students at the school were called and a letter went home, he said.
The situation was quickly diffused thanks to the student who reported the gun, Kavits said.
“We are very proud the student did the right thing, and that made a difference,” he said.[/QUOTE]
[URL="http://www.insidenova.com/news/crime_police/manassas-area-elementary-student-charged-with-bringing-gun-to-school/article_35ae2372-cc93-11e3-af54-0019bb2963f4.html"]Source[/URL]
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ABC 7 spoke with the boy's grandmother at length off-camera, and she began by telling us that this was her worst nightmare come true.
She says her [B]grandson is relatively new to the school, and about three weeks ago, he told his parents that an older boy on the bus was “messing with me.”[/B]
However, he did not go into detail, and she says he is now telling them the older boy even hit him, called him names, and took his backpack.
According to the grandmother, the boy reported the bullying to the school bus attendant, but the information was apparently never passed on to school officials or to his parents.
"I think he was [B]trying to frighten the kid who was bullying him[/B]...that doesn't excuse it, but I think he was scared," says the grandmother. "I wish he had told us what was going on."[/QUOTE]
[URL="http://www.wjla.com/articles/2014/04/police-arrest-9-year-old-manassas-boy-for-taking-handgun-to-school-102506.html"]Source[/URL]
[QUOTE]"I believe my grandson, he [B]acted out of fear[/B]," [the boy's grandmother] said. "The little boy had been kicking him, hitting him, pushing him, taking his book bag. After he ignored him for moments, [B]the little boy told him that he was gong to kill him, so I'm thinking that he acted out of fear and he was very afraid.[/B]"[/QUOTE]
[URL="http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/9-Year-Old-Manassas-Boy-Arrested-Charged-With-Bringing-Gun-to-School-256723601.html"]Source[/URL]
This happened less than 5 miles from where I live. Sounds like the boy asked his family for help from the boy "messing with him" and it wasn't taken very seriously.
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It really doesn't look like he meant any harm.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;44650826]It really doesn't look like he meant any harm.[/QUOTE]
Yep, it's more sad he had to do this to be heard instead of his family listening to him when he first brought the bullying to their attention.
and this happened because america's fetishization of guns made him learn that (cough cough tv) "guns solve bad people problems"
[QUOTE=LordCrypto;44650859]and this happened because america's fetishization of guns made him learn that (cough cough tv) "guns solve bad people problems"[/QUOTE]
If the gun was left disassembled it's more likely he just wanted to scare the bully off.
[QUOTE=LordCrypto;44650859]and this happened because america's fetishization of guns made him learn that (cough cough tv) "guns solve bad people problems"[/QUOTE]
No, it happened because he was bullied and nobody would listen to him. If this was in Britain, he'd have taken one of his mother's kitchen knifes (or any knife really).
[QUOTE=Starlight 456;44650871]No, it happened because he was bullied and nobody would listen to him. If this was in Britain, he'd have taken one of his mother's kitchen knifes (or any knife really).[/QUOTE]
but why didn't he take a knife
cause america is like "guns solve problems woooo second amendment *bang bang bang*"
[QUOTE=LordCrypto;44650885]but why didn't he take a knife
cause america is like "guns solve problems woooo second amendment *bang bang bang*"[/QUOTE]
I don't know, perhaps because a gun speaks of more violence than a knife?
bullying is bad
bringing an unassembled firearm to school to threaten/scare bully with is also bad
[QUOTE=LordCrypto;44650885]but why didn't he take a knife
cause america is like "guns solve problems woooo second amendment *bang bang bang*"[/QUOTE]
I brought i knife to school once, it did nothing but make the matter worse.
Solve bullying with your fists or with words, which ever is easier for you.
[QUOTE=LordCrypto;44650885]but why didn't he take a knife
cause america is like "guns solve problems woooo second amendment *bang bang bang*"[/QUOTE]
You have an incredibly narrow view of American gun culture and you obviously don't have enough knowledge to even be close to being correct.
If you're a responsible gun owner in America, you keep your guns locked in a safe, unloaded, with the safety on, you don't point it at anything you don't want to destroy, and you keep your finger off the trigger until you want to fire. Kinda contradicts your idea of "Murricuh thinks they're cowboys still stupid mirricans XD", eh?
[QUOTE=Starlight 456;44650913]You have an incredibly narrow view of American gun culture and you obviously don't have enough knowledge to even be close to being correct.
If you're a responsible gun owner in America, you keep your guns locked in a safe, unloaded, with the safety on, you don't point it at anything you don't want to destroy, and you keep your finger off the trigger until you want to fire. Kinda contradicts your idea of "Murricuh thinks they're cowboys still stupid mirricans XD", eh?[/QUOTE]
go turn on the tv, flip to a random channel
see how long it takes for a drama show to discharge a firearm and the person being shot at is dead and they were unequivocally bad in terms of the story
this is what i mean by "guns solve problems" in america
also i'm an american you idiot
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[QUOTE=LordCrypto;44650925]go turn on the tv, flip to a random channel
see how long it takes for a drama show to discharge a firearm and the person being shot at is dead and they were unequivocally bad in terms of the story
this is what i mean by "guns solve problems" in america
also i'm an american you idiot[/QUOTE]
I know you're an American. Doesn't mean you automatically understand gun culture.
And obviously that isn't what you meant at all, by the way you were talking about it.
"cause america is like "guns solve problems woooo second amendment *bang bang bang*""
is not
"The media teaches that guns are a quick answer to your problems", it's "I think gun owners are cowboy rednecks looking to kill something"
[QUOTE=LordCrypto;44650925]go turn on the tv, flip to a random channel
see how long it takes for a drama show to discharge a firearm and the person being shot at is dead and they were unequivocally bad in terms of the story
this is what i mean by "guns solve problems" in america
also i'm an american you idiot[/QUOTE]
Stop this, you're just making yourself look worse.
If somebody does this, they're doing it purely out of desperation from what they perceive as a situation they can't escape through conventional means. This incident is a cry for help since the gun wasn't even assembled and his relatives and parents didn't believe him in the first place.
[QUOTE=LordCrypto;44650925]go turn on the tv, flip to a random channel
see how long it takes for a drama show to discharge a firearm and the person being shot at is dead and they were unequivocally bad in terms of the story
this is what i mean by "guns solve problems" in america
also i'm an american you idiot[/QUOTE]
lol what the fuck are you even doing
[QUOTE=Starlight 456;44650871]If this was in Britain, he'd have taken one of his mother's kitchen knifes (or any knife really).[/QUOTE]
A 9 year old taking a knife to school in any situation is highly unlikely here.
[QUOTE=LordCrypto;44650925]go turn on the tv, flip to a random channel
see how long it takes for a drama show to discharge a firearm and the person being shot at is dead and they were unequivocally bad in terms of the story
this is what i mean by "guns solve problems" in america
also i'm an american you idiot[/QUOTE]
Even if you are right, it's guaranteed that you won't convince anybody and the thread will just turn into a petty shit slinging match.
How many times does this have to happen before people learn that there is no point in arguing on the internet?
[QUOTE=WeekendWarrior;44650948]A 9 year old taking a knife to school in any situation is highly unlikely here.[/QUOTE]
I was more using it as like, "It's not the gun, it's the kid".
[QUOTE=Diet Kane;44650939]lol what the fuck are you even doing[/QUOTE]
when a kid thinks that bringing a firearm to a school even to [I]scare[/I] a bully is ok
you've got two problems, the bullying itself, and the fact that he was taught by society that it was going to work
[QUOTE=LordCrypto;44650898]bullying is bad
bringing an unassembled firearm to school to threaten/scare bully with is also bad[/QUOTE]
Are you going to shut up or what
[QUOTE=LordCrypto;44650964]when a kid thinks that bringing a firearm to a school even to [I]scare[/I] a bully is ok
you've got two problems, the bullying itself, and the fact that he was taught by society that it was going to work[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Starlight 456;44650962]I was more using it as like, "It's not the gun, it's the kid".[/QUOTE]
Just pointing out that the reactions to this would be completely different in other cultures.
[QUOTE=LordCrypto;44650964]when a kid thinks that bringing a firearm to a school even to [I]scare[/I] a bully is ok
you've got two problems, the bullying itself, and the fact that he was taught by society that it was going to work[/QUOTE]
But he wasn't. That's like saying a kid who watches cooking shows bringing a kitchen knife to school was taught by those shows that the knife would solve his problems.
[QUOTE=The golden;44650950]Schools wash their hands completely of any bullying issues so it's no surprise the kid took matters into his own hands.[/QUOTE]
Gray area. The article reports that the kid told the schoolbus dude about it, and he didn't tell it to anyone else
[QUOTE]According to the grandmother, the boy reported the bullying to the school bus attendant, [I]but the information was apparently never passed on to school officials or to his parents[/I].[/QUOTE]
Was the attendant wrong for not escalating it to higher-ups? Totally.
But why didn't the kid try to tell someone else about it? I don't know, teachers, principals... They might've helped with the situation. (Or not, since this is USA after all... but hey, one can be optimistic)
I'm sure we can confirm that LordCrypto is a retard.
[QUOTE=LordCrypto;44650964]when a kid thinks that bringing a firearm to a school even to [I]scare[/I] a bully is ok
you've got two problems, the bullying itself, and the fact that he was taught by society that it was going to work[/QUOTE]
I doubt it's really the case that the kid thought a firearm would solve all his problems instantly, because "gun culture bluh bluh bluh". Kids really aren't that stupid.
He probably recognized it as a weapon, was aware that people were afraid of it due to its danger, and put two and two together: "If I bring an intimidating weapon to school and threaten my bully with it, he'll probably fuck off."
It's not a whole big gun culture thing, the kid just realized he had access to a weapon and could intimidate his bully into backing off with it. The fact that he tried telling people first means that he probably didn't snap to this decision instantly, but was forced to take action when no one else would. From his viewpoint, he was completely alone and in the sights of a kid who threatened and wanted to kill him, so he made a logical choice to intimidate using a gun. Not a good choice, but it's not entirely his fault, and he clearly tried other solutions first.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;44650826]It really doesn't look like he meant any harm.[/QUOTE]
Zero tolerance! Shoot the suspect down!
But seriously now, the headline in this, imo, is more the fact that this all started because of a bully, and not the fact that he brought a gun, although the gun just shows how messed up things can get with something so stupid and so despicable as bullying. The gun could have been a knife instead, or something as dangerous, and save everyone a lot of "hurr durr guns, muh children"
Also, good job charging a 9 year old.
I wonder, if I park in a prohibited place, get out of my car spilling my guts on the sidewalk trying to get to the hospital, will cops ticket me for the parking before or after being treated/dying?
[QUOTE=LordCrypto;44650964]when a kid thinks that bringing a firearm to a school even to [I]scare[/I] a bully is ok
you've got two problems, the bullying itself, and the fact that he was taught by society that it was going to work[/QUOTE]
Perhaps he just knew a gun was a source of power and control. He was most likely sick of not being in control and hated that he was powerless to do anything. If he had brought the gun assembled and loaded, this would be a whole different story. I think he just brought it in the case to show "Hey, I have a gun, don't fuck with me." kind of thing. Which, for a 9-year-old is a bit much, but.. I don't know.
That's pretty mature of a 9 year old to keep the gun disassembled
I hope the kid that bullied him atleast gets half the trouble the poor kid is going through
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