Norway is reaching tipping point for electric vehicles as market share reaches record breaking 37% - Polidicks

[QUOTE]In September 2016, 28.8% of new car sales were plug-in electric vehicles and all-electric cars had 19.0% market shares. It’s 10 times what most countries are doing these days thanks to EV incentives like the 25% VAT tax exemption. Norway pushed the limits last month with record plug-in electric sales reaching 37% market share in the country’s passenger car market. Over 4,800 plug-in electric vehicles were delivered in the country in January – helped by strong BMW i3 sales (622 units) and some PHEV vehicles like the Volvo XC90 (398 units) and the Volkswagen Passat GTE (411 units). Tesla also contributed to the new record now that it has firmly become a two-vehicle automaker: 129 Model S sedans were delivered in January and 238 Model X SUVs. A newcomer like the Hyundai Ioniq Electric also started contributing with 166 deliveries last month. Diesel’s market shares are also falling fast in the country. It now sits at ~13% as local governments are exploring restrictions on the fuel. If electric vehicles completely overtake diesel-powered cars, they would be at 50% market share. [/QUOTE] [url]https://electrek.co/2017/02/15/norway-electric-vehicle-market-share-record/[/url]

This is really great news. Electric vehicles must move forward like a train, slamming everything on the way to the future. ICEs are nice, but it is best for our environment to go as green as possible.

Seems like it's starting to snowball pretty quick now. I feel like it's inevitable now.

[QUOTE=OvB;51825856]Seems like it's starting to snowball pretty quick now. I feel like it's inevitable now.[/QUOTE] Once the Model 3 starts getting delivered in Norway in volume I imagine it will tip the balance over 50%.

[QUOTE=Marbalo;51825933]Norway is a very small, very contained environment. It's only natural that such a market share would present itself. It's still highly uncertain and far too early to tell that the same could be replicated in larger nations like the US, China and others, i.e - where it matters most.[/QUOTE] It's a one step at a time.

Holy shit. 37% is amazing. Like I would've been amazed if 1 in every 5 new cars sold was electric, but over 1 in 3? Amazing. [editline]16th February 2017[/editline] It'll be interesting to see if the the amount stays stable, grows or decreases month on month.

I see Teslas pretty often in my small town. I went to the city the other day and every other car there was a Tesla, even taxis. I thought it'd be an even larger percentage tbh.

I'd like to add that one of the reasons why electric cars are so popular in Norway is because they're heavily subsidized, and fuel is very expensive in Norway. The article mentions electrics don't have to pay the 25% VAT, but they also don't have to pay any of the fees/taxes when you buy them (which can double the price of the car). They also pay about as much road tax as a 50cc motorcycle, don't pay road tolls, have free parking, don't have to pay for ferries, and can use the bus lane. So while they're booming right now, it's going to come to a halt as the benefits are taken away.

[QUOTE=Gulen;51826641]I'd like to add that one of the reasons why electric cars are so popular in Norway is because they're heavily subsidized, and fuel is very expensive in Norway. The article mentions electrics don't have to pay the 25% VAT, but they also don't have to pay any of the fees/taxes when you buy them (which can double the price of the car). They also pay about as much road tax as a 50cc motorcycle, don't pay road tolls, have free parking, don't have to pay for ferries, and can use the bus lane. So while they're booming right now, it's going to come to a halt as the benefits are taken away.[/QUOTE] All the subsidies will last until at least 2020 though (except maybe the bus lane one) so hopefully it's enough to put the ICE out of it's misery.

[QUOTE=Morgen;51826659]All the subsidies will last until at least 2020 though (except maybe the bus lane one) so hopefully it's enough to put the ICE out of it's misery.[/QUOTE] In America because of GOP control Ours is a bubble that WILL collapse, becaused GOP is convinced all the subsidized green energy is Crony Capitalist.

You can't stand on a street corner in Oslo for 5 minutes without several Teslas driving by. Some streets in the center have charging stations along the sidewalk where there are always rows of Teslas and Nissan Leafs parked.

[QUOTE=Morgen;51826659]All the subsidies will last until at least 2020 though (except maybe the bus lane one) so hopefully it's enough to put the ICE out of it's misery.[/QUOTE] It's not. The bus lane has already been restricted in Oslo, and municipalities can now have up to 50% toll fares on electric cars. Free parking and free ferries are also on the table. And while the VAT is set until 2020 and the other one-time taxes/fees are set for now, they may be re-negotiated later on. At the same time, ICEs are getting less taxes, minimizing the gains of driving an electric car over an ICE one.

To put things into perspective, [URL="http://ec.europa.eu/germany/news/luftverschmutzung-durch-stickstoffdioxid-kommission-droht-deutschland-mit-klage_de"]NO2 killed 70,000 people in Europe in 2003 (40% of the gas is from traffic, and the total deaths were almost three times as much as from traffic accidents[/URL][URL="https://archive.is/8YtHe"]).[/URL] ([URL="http://www.microsofttranslator.com/bv.aspx?&lo=SS&from=&to=en&a=http%3A%2F%2Fec.europa.eu%2Fgermany%2Fnews%2Fluftverschmutzung-durch-stickstoffdioxid-kommission-droht-deutschland-mit-klage_de"]Englis[/URL][URL="https://archive.is/gg6L5"]h[/URL]) 400,000 people die in the EU each year because of air quality issues. With switching the technology over, [I]a lot[/I] of lives will be saved.

[QUOTE=CruelAddict;51825825]This is really great news. Electric vehicles must move forward like a train, slamming everything on the way to the future. ICEs are nice, but it is best for our environment to go as green as possible.[/QUOTE] Not to dispute that the running of an electric car is greener than a conventional car, because electric cars obviously have no exhaust, but electric cars are not exactly the best solution for environmental sustainability. Studies (source below) have shown that consumers buy hybrid or electric vehicles not necessarily out of concern for the environment, but to fulfill ego and social needs, eg 'look at me, I care about the environment, I'm so awesome'. People who very seriously care about the environment tend to not drive cars at all, instead opting for walking, cycling or public transport. Even with the latter, emissions are reduced through a kind of economies of scale. Let's not forget that building electric cars is still a very harmful process, especially the process of mining for lithium in their batteries. Source: Chua, W. Y., Lee, A., & Sadeque, S. 2010. Why do people buy hybrid cars? Proceedings of Social Marketing Forum, Perth, Western Australia, Edith Cowan University, Churchlands, W.A. 1-13.

[QUOTE=OmniConsUme;51826669]In America because of GOP control Ours is a bubble that WILL collapse, becaused GOP is convinced all the subsidized green energy is Crony Capitalist.[/QUOTE] Which is funny because the GOP is the party of Privatizing Profit and Socialising Losses.

Market share of new vehicles purchased, not on the road.

1st time in norway few months back, i was genuinely amazed by the abundance of electric cars and its charging poles it's everywhere

[QUOTE=BF;51834540]Not to dispute that the running of an electric car is greener than a conventional car, because electric cars obviously have no exhaust, but electric cars are not exactly the best solution for environmental sustainability. Studies (source below) have shown that consumers buy hybrid or electric vehicles not necessarily out of concern for the environment, but to fulfill ego and social needs, eg 'look at me, I care about the environment, I'm so awesome'. People who very seriously care about the environment tend to not drive cars at all, instead opting for walking, cycling or public transport. Even with the latter, emissions are reduced through a kind of economies of scale. Let's not forget that building electric cars is still a very harmful process, especially the process of mining for lithium in their batteries. Source: Chua, W. Y., Lee, A., & Sadeque, S. 2010. Why do people buy hybrid cars? Proceedings of Social Marketing Forum, Perth, Western Australia, Edith Cowan University, Churchlands, W.A. 1-13.[/QUOTE] EV technology has changed a lot since 2010. I would argue that your study is invalid now due to that. In 2010 you had some hybrids and no real BEVs in mass production. Now the quickest car is a BEV, you have 300+ mile range options, quick charging, cheap EVs, and a plethora of PHEVs. In 2010 you probably did only buy one to prove you could because it simply wasn't viable for 99% of people to do so. You can also recycle batteries.

What subsidies is Norway offering? It doesn't mean much until they can sell well on their own.

[QUOTE=download;51834917]What subsidies is Norway offering? It doesn't mean much until they can sell well on their own.[/QUOTE] The environmental benefits happen regardless of if they sell because of subsidies or not.

Alright, took a look at the EV vehicles in Norway wiki page; their subsidies are obscene. [editline]17th February 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Morgen;51834924]The environmental benefits happen regardless of if they sell because of subsidies or not.[/QUOTE] True, but that doesn't mean they're economically viable. EV vehicles being economicly viable is the only way you will see widespread adoption.

[QUOTE=download;51834927]Alright, took a look at the EV vehicles in Norway wiki page; their subsidies are obscene. [editline]17th February 2017[/editline] True, but that doesn't mean they're economically viable. EV vehicles being economicly viable is the only way you will see widespread adoption.[/QUOTE] Well we are clearly seeing Norway adopting EVs in mass over a long period of time. They would be economically viable even without any additional subsidies just because of the price of fuel.

[QUOTE=Morgen;51834943]Well we are clearly seeing Norway adopting EVs in mass over a long period of time. They would be economically viable even without any additional subsidies just because of the price of fuel.[/QUOTE] Not everyone has the extra money to afford the increased upfront costs even if long term you see fuel cost savings.

[QUOTE=download;51834946]Not everyone has the extra money to afford the increased upfront costs even if long term you see fuel cost savings.[/QUOTE] Well thanks to the subsidies you should have a decent pre owned market, even if you took the subsidies away now.

Yeah, and most people still consider EVs a second car, and think that they can't really replace ICEs as the primary car yet.

[QUOTE=Gulen;51834955]Yeah, and most people still consider EVs a second car, and think that they can't really replace ICEs as the primary car yet.[/QUOTE] Citation needed.

[QUOTE=Gulen;51834955]Yeah, and most people still consider EVs a second car, and think that they can't really replace ICEs as the primary car yet.[/QUOTE] Sure they can, there's really no issue with replacing ICE cars at this point.

[QUOTE=paul simon;51835026]Sure they can, there's really no issue with replacing ICE cars at this point.[/QUOTE] I can understand older people not wanting to get a short range EV. But next year that should be a non issue with the Bolt and Model 3. Short range EVs will either be dead, or super cheap on the pre owned market.