Reddit For Sale: How We Bought The Top Spot For $200 - General

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And this is why you should sort threads based on recency of posts instead that dumbass up/downvote system.

[QUOTE=Cuon Alpinus;51534333]And this is why you should sort threads based on recency of posts instead that dumbass up/downvote system.[/QUOTE] You can browse by newest on reddit, and after a few minutes you'll see why it's a terrible idea on a site that large.

I still don't understand why downvoting is still a thing as it clearly doesn't work and combined with the bandwagon-y mentality the guy demonstrated in the video, it is used largely to silence unpopular opinions rather than self moderate unrelated/trash posts. For a free speech platform it doesn't really make sense that a group of users can have your post hidden just because they don't agree with your views, rather than it not being relevant discussion.

[QUOTE=Cuon Alpinus;51534333]And this is why you should sort threads based on recency of posts instead that dumbass up/downvote system.[/QUOTE] But you already can, and its really shit on any of the main subreddits, smaller ones its alright

[QUOTE=Jelman;51534512]But you already can, and its really shit on any of the main subreddits, smaller ones its alright[/QUOTE] Reddit is only really good for the smaller communities anyway in my opinion. In large subs it's hard to get any of your submissions to gain any traction, and posting in a popular thread and trying to get your post noticed is about as hard as winning the lottery. Browsing /r/all is kinda terrible too. It's 99% politics, memes, and amateur porn.

[QUOTE=Jelman;51534512]But you already can, and its really shit on any of the main subreddits, smaller ones its alright[/QUOTE] In the not too distant future, all of humanity is divided into regional subforums. And each of those subforums has it's own district subforums. Each subforum struggles to cope with the every increasing numbers of people trying to talk, and this causes more and more subforums to be created. The 3rd most common job on the planet has become moderation. Even so, with all this toil, humanity learned long ago that the up-vote system wasn't worth it.

Ummm this just dissapeared from the front page of reddit :S

So hypothetically, I could use this to create a youtube channel, make a video, pay some guy less than $200 to put it on the front page of the videos subreddit, circumvent everything about youtube's algorithms and essentially buy myself an audience/youtube fame while most people will be none the wiser? That's kind of the worst, yet at the same time I dunno if you would be able to blame someone for doing it with how youtube is.

A little underwhelming. I expected like one article to get on the front page of r/all, and not one or two subreddits that barely other people go to. But I do admit that this is a real problem. Take for instance, the r/the_donald. Fake news gets posted there a lot, then when it gets to the frontpage of r/all, people notice that it's ACTUALLY bullshit (bullshit because it's actually fake). People on other subreddits make fun of it to the point where r/the_donald users are like "WTF THIS IS FAKE, FUCK YOU R/ALL SHILLS FOR UPVOTING THIS AND MAKING US LOOK BAD. STOP UPVOTING IT!" in the comments section but miraculously it's still on the front page on r/all because like the guy in the video said, people upvote based on title, and not content or comments. [editline]4[/editline] But you literally cannot solve this problem without people screaming censorship. This is a damned if you do, damned if you don't problem. If you allow fake news to be posted, people will scream "OMFG REDDIT IS FOR SALE BY DISHONEST PEOPLE". If you ban fake news from being posted, people will scream "OMFG REDDIT IS FOR SALE BY DISHONEST (((PEOPLE)))".

[QUOTE=Cushie;51534456] For a free speech platform it doesn't really make sense that a group of users can have your post hidden just because they don't agree with your views, rather than it not being relevant discussion.[/QUOTE] Reddit is not a free speech platform though. It is very moderated(for the most part) and biased in some way depending on subreddit.

[QUOTE=Mister Sandman;51535009]So hypothetically, I could use this to create a youtube channel, make a video, pay some guy less than $200 to put it on the front page of the videos subreddit, circumvent everything about youtube's algorithms and essentially buy myself an audience/youtube fame while most people will be none the wiser? That's kind of the worst, yet at the same time I dunno if you would be able to blame someone for doing it with how youtube is.[/QUOTE] No, because you would actually have to make videos that people want to watch. You're going to get a shit return.

[QUOTE=usaokay;51535128] The bandwagon mentality exists in both Reddit and Facepunch though. It can be for any sort of rating like funny, agree, dumb, downvotes, or upvotes. Dumbs can help to influence a ban too. Not sure about downvotes, but I guess it depends on the context of the comment more than the rating. Reddit obviously is wildly different in that it's a platform that even media company uses. Heck, I even see some """journalism""" sites cite Reddit as a source to the point of making an article of "I was on Reddit today and this is what I found!" These articles always feature something that was on the front page, which helps for more exposure. Having an upvoted thread reach the front page of a popular subreddit is crazy difficult compared to just posting in a regular forum. It's really apples & bananas here, but Reddit has a lot more faults and a little bit more positives than this forum.[/QUOTE] I was going to bring up the comparison to the old SH and the reason they switched out everything with star effectively just an upvote button; because the few people that had opinions against the grain got spammed with boxes with comparatively few people actually replying to it. The problem is spamming boxes on people might be discouraging for them, but unlike Reddit it isn't actively silencing them by making the system treat their post as spam. Without this people can support posts they agree with but if they heavily disagree with something they are more inclined to reply to it rather than just downvote til its hidden and moving on.

This stuff happened all the time on Facepunch in Sensationalist Headlines back when ratings were still a thing. You would have people who would influence the general flow of Facepunch and it's political ideas, simply by bandwagoning ratings. If you wanted to make people not like something, you'd just get a group of four or five to rate it dumb. If you wanted to make people agree with it, you just rated agree or winner. The days of the Great Guncake War on SH could be summed up as non-stop campaigning via ratings.

I LITERALLY just got off of a major game subreddit where a guys post was deleted by a moderator because noone, including the moderator, read the body but instead just the title.

[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;51535093]No, because you would actually have to make videos that people want to watch. You're going to get a shit return.[/QUOTE] I remember this same thing happening with a channel called Three Musketeers. They had ads [I]all over[/I] youtube after starting their channel, so there was no way you didn't know about them, but their videos were such manufactured trash it completely backfired on them. They had HD cameras, big smiles, the whole shebang, and 0 charisma or soul.

[QUOTE=Occlusion;51534900]Ummm this just dissapeared from the front page of reddit :S[/QUOTE] Still there, just on page 3 now: [img]http://i.imgur.com/V6fYRbw.png[/img]

[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;51535909]This stuff happened all the time on Facepunch in Sensationalist Headlines back when ratings were still a thing. You would have people who would influence the general flow of Facepunch and it's political ideas, simply by bandwagoning ratings. If you wanted to make people not like something, you'd just get a group of four or five to rate it dumb. If you wanted to make people agree with it, you just rated agree or winner. The days of the Great Guncake War on SH could be summed up as non-stop campaigning via ratings.[/QUOTE] You could argue the same for the star rating, really. I really want a ratingless Mass Debate to come back, but I know it's not gonna happen with FP 2.0 in the works.

Bandwagoning is pretty much the same thing as the bystander effect, but in reverse. Kinda awful but also instinctual. [QUOTE=Water-Marine;51535991]You could argue the same for the star rating, really. I really want a ratingless Mass Debate to come back, but I know it's not gonna happen with [B]FP 2.0 in the works[/B].[/QUOTE] god help us all the end really is nigh

Fucking hell, MGS2 is becoming more relevant. "Everyone withdraws into their own gated community, afraid of a larger forum". [video=youtube;eKl6WjfDqYA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKl6WjfDqYA[/video]

What are people talking about with Reddit silencing downvoted comments? Downvoted comments are just automatically collapsed based on a user-defined threshold, not deleted or anything.

[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;51537366]What are people talking about with Reddit silencing downvoted comments? Downvoted comments are just automatically collapsed based on a user-defined threshold, not deleted or anything.[/QUOTE] thats just as bad, especially with the hivemind that happens with upvotes/downvotes.

[QUOTE=Naught;51537372]thats just as bad, especially with the hivemind that happens with upvotes/downvotes.[/QUOTE] Not really since they're still accessible. If they were deleted automatically, then that's bad. Comments getting low visibility due to downvotes is the least of your problems when talking about censorship on reddit.

[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;51537380]Not really since they're still accessible. If they were deleted automatically, then that's bad. Comments getting low visibility due to downvotes is the least of your problems when talking about censorship on reddit.[/QUOTE]They may be technically accessible, but that doesn't mean they'll ever be accessed. There's no real difference between hiding them and outright deletion.

[QUOTE=Monkah;51538265]They may be technically accessible, but that doesn't mean they'll ever be accessed. There's no real difference between hiding them and outright deletion.[/QUOTE] ...except you can still see downvoted posts [editline]16th December 2016[/editline] it's not "technically accessible", it's literally right there with other comments that you get to by scrolling down. the last post of a page on FP isn't "hidden"

[QUOTE=NixNax123;51538620]...except you can still see downvoted posts [editline]16th December 2016[/editline] it's not "technically accessible", it's literally right there with other comments that you get to by scrolling down. the last post of a page on FP isn't "hidden"[/QUOTE] They're minimized by default after surpassing 3+ downvotes.