• Police officer pepper sprays line of sitting students at UC Davis
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[video=youtube;WmJmmnMkuEM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmJmmnMkuEM[/video] [quote]Earlier today, police at UC Davis broke up a group of students protesting the eviction of Occupy Davis. The occupiers sat and joined arms in protest of yesterday’s eviction. They offered no resistance to police, and were not physically aggressive. Police pepper sprayed the protesters after they refused to move. Protesters chanted “Don’t shoot students” and “Shame on you.” After ten arrests were made, the police nervously retreated while students continued to chant “Whose University? Our university!”. Last week, the SF Chronicle reported that after arrests at UC Berkeley, Captain Margo Bennet said that linking arms was “not nonviolent.” There are multiple Youtube Videos showing the incident from several angles. The incident: [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuWEx6Cfn-I[/url] [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3fIess2Vqs[/url] Police Retreat:[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oF72Es92T-U[/url][/quote] [url]http://wearetheother99.wordpress.com/2011/11/18/police-pepper-spray-uc-davis-students-for-sitting-down/[/url] How the fuck do they keep getting away with doing things like this? All they're doing is sitting on the fucking ground, not to mention they're all paying $ to attend there.
Is it legal to wear a gas mask to things like this? I feel like this would be a good time to wear one. Or when they use tear gas.
[QUOTE=Collin665;33337622]Is it legal to wear a gas mask to things like this? I feel like this would be a good time to wear one. Or when they use tear gas.[/QUOTE] I don't believe it's legal. I may be wrong though
[QUOTE=Collin665;33337622]Is it legal to wear a gas mask to things like this? I feel like this would be a good time to wear one. Or when they use tear gas.[/QUOTE] I'm pretty sure it's illegal (in NYC at least) to wear any form of mask if multiple people in a group are wearing them.
Don't worry students, we're protecting the living [b]shit[/b] out of you
[QUOTE=elfbarf;33337637]I'm pretty sure it's illegal (in NYC at least) to wear any form of mask if multiple people in a group are wearing them.[/QUOTE] At least wear some swimming goggles or something. I know it will not protect you against anything, but it is certainly better than nothing. [quote] Captain Margo Bennet said that linking arms was “not nonviolent.”[/quote] Would love to hear why.
[QUOTE=Collin665;33337622]Is it legal to wear a gas mask to things like this? I feel like this would be a good time to wear one. Or when they use tear gas.[/QUOTE] I'm pretty sure wearing masks is legal, I've never heard of anything that would say you aren't allowed to wear a mask Seems like a horribly idiotic law too, you may as well ban types of clothing and hats while you're at it
wow what the fuck that was fucking bullshit
Well there aren't too many other ways to break up a ring of protestors (and don't respond with, "they shouldn't be doing so in the first place") so I wouldn't really call it brutal or inhumane. Still, it's things like this that give the moral victories to the protestors.
[quote]Captain Margo Bennet said that linking arms was “not nonviolent.”[/quote] This changes thousands of years of human perception and social development. The western world is an interesting place. Also, things started to get really creepy 4:20 onwards.
So guys, where's all the good cops to reprimand that asshole cop?
"Oh, we just sprayed them because we wanted to know how well this stuff works, ya know. I didn't think it was gonna do that!"
If I had been there when that happened I would have afterwards gone to jail for a very long time
[QUOTE=Funion;33338023]If I had been there when that happened I would have afterwards gone to jail for a very long time[/QUOTE] Sure you would've.
[QUOTE=Florence;33337933]So guys, where's all the good cops to reprimand that asshole cop?[/QUOTE] Doing their jobs, AKA doing what the Commissioner tells them to do.
It's only a matter of time until these cops put up with enough unjust bullshit that they start protesting along with these guys.
That is complete bullshit, If you had asked me six months ago I would have said I respect police officers.
That video is somewhat one sided being that it starts just when they are getting sprayed. More importantly, isn't it legal to peacefully protest if you get permission first (or something like that)? If so, and they failed to do so, it's their own fault. Also, put yourselves in one of the officer's shoes. With that many people, you would probably want to get the protesters and get out as quickly as you can. Pepper spraying them was probably the quickest ways to do so. Quite frankly, I don't see the problem if they were indeed breaking the law. The media sees a bunch of "harmless" students being "assaulted" by the police and thinks what a wonderful story it will make. If anything, I feel sorry for the police officers who were just doing their job which was made a whole lot harder by the mass of chanting students.
[QUOTE=DaMastez;33338367]That video is somewhat one sided being that it starts just when they are getting sprayed. More importantly, isn't it legal to peacefully protest if you get permission first (or something like that)? If so, and they failed to do so, it's their own fault. Also, put yourselves in one of the officer's shoes. With that many people, you would probably want to get the protesters and get out as quickly as you can. Pepper spraying them was probably the quickest ways to do so. Quite frankly, I don't see the problem if they were indeed breaking the law. The media sees a bunch of "harmless" students being "assaulted" by the police and thinks what a wonderful story it will make. If anything, I feel sorry for the police officers who were just doing their job which was made a whole lot harder by the mass of chanting students.[/QUOTE] yeah just think of the emotional and physical trauma those poor, poor police officers went through, calmly and stoicly pepper spraying a bunch of sitting students multiple times maybe we should start a fundraiser to help them afford therapy so they can get over the stress that they were forced to endure in this event and yeah the video is [b]soo[/b] one sided, for all we know they could have been beating the police officers with bats and waving guns around before they sat down quietly and were pepper sprayed.
They were asked to leave, they decided to not to. They linked arms, that is resisting itself. It may have not been violent, but it is still resisting. Just like if a cop asks you to come here, and you don't at that point it is resisting. There is a fine line and people need to learn it. It isn't like they didn't have a choice to just leave. Look at this evil cop tell them what will happen to them and asks them if they understand... WOW SO UNPROFESSIONAL [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=H0yMDxf7Sz4[/media]
[QUOTE=MR-X;33338414]They were asked to leave, they decided to not to. They linked arms, that is resisting itself. It may have not been violent, but it is still resisting. Just like if a cop asks you to come here, and you don't at that point it is resisting. There is a fine line and people need to learn it.[/QUOTE] There is a thing known as reasonable force you know. Things like pepper spray should [I]only[/I] be used to stop people who are acting in a threatening manor or are being violent. Heck in the UK its classed as a firearm (?? odd laws) because it can be so bad.
[QUOTE=Kopimi;33338406]yeah just think of the emotional and physical trauma those poor, poor police officers went through, calmly and stoicly pepper spraying a bunch of sitting students multiple times maybe we should start a fundraiser to help them afford therapy so they can get over the stress that they were forced to endure in this event and yeah the video is [b]soo[/b] one sided, for all we know they could have been beating the police officers with bats and waving guns around before they sat down quietly and were pepper sprayed.[/QUOTE] I'm sure they will be fine, they are after all trained to handle such situations. It's nice that you care so much though. Also, as to the video being one sided; if the students were told to leave by the police, then they should have. Instead, they chose to stay and resist. You don't have to be violent to break they law. The post I quoted below says it much better. [QUOTE=MR-X;33338414]They were asked to leave, they decided to not to. They linked arms, that is resisting itself. It may have not been violent, but it is still resisting. Just like if a cop asks you to come here, and you don't at that point it is resisting. There is a fine line and people need to learn it.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Jsm;33338442]There is a thing known as reasonable force you know. Things like pepper spray should [I]only[/I] be used to stop people who are acting in a threatening manor or are being violent. Heck in the UK its classed as a firearm (?? odd laws) because it can be so bad.[/QUOTE] The police needed to break up the students (and at that point arrest them), if they had tried to forcefully remove their interlocked arms it could have caused injuries to both the students and police. Pepper spray I would assume was safer for all involved parties.
[QUOTE=MR-X;33338414]They were asked to leave, they decided to not to. They linked arms, that is resisting itself. It may have not been violent, but it is still resisting. Just like if a cop asks you to come here, and you don't at that point it is resisting. There is a fine line and people need to learn it.[/QUOTE] I'm all for that kind of thing, in most cases. If a cop tells you to stop, you probably should, but in this case, pepper spray is just ridiculous. No physical force should have been exerted.
[QUOTE=Funcoot;33338464]I'm all for that kind of thing, in most cases. If a cop tells you to stop, you probably should, but in this case, pepper spray is just ridiculous. No physical force should have been exerted.[/QUOTE] Then how were the police going to arrest them? By interlocking their arms they were resisting arrest (if my understanding is correct that is). If you don't want to get hurt, don't break the law. Simple as that. It's not like they shot the students, they used a non-lethal spray which irritates.
[QUOTE=DaMastez;33338367]Also, put yourselves in one of the officer's shoes. With that many people, you would probably want to get the protesters and get out as quickly as you can. Pepper spraying them was probably the quickest ways to do so. [/QUOTE] The quickest way would be to shoot them, but yet you do not see them doing that. Just because something is quicker does not make it right. [QUOTE=MR-X;33338414]They were asked to leave, they decided to not to. They linked arms, that is resisting itself. It may have not been violent, but it is still resisting. Just like if a cop asks you to come here, and you don't at that point it is resisting. There is a fine line and people need to learn it.[/QUOTE] [quote]Captain Margo Bennet said that linking arms was “not nonviolent.”[/quote] Resisting arrest is not quite the same as being violent. Chaining yourself to a pole could be considered resisting arrest, but it is not violent.
[QUOTE=MR-X;33338414]They were asked to leave, they decided to not to. They linked arms, that is resisting itself. It may have not been violent, but it is still resisting. Just like if a cop asks you to come here, and you don't at that point it is resisting. There is a fine line and people need to learn it.[/QUOTE] Then I don't really understand the point of a protest.
At my college students got permission to do a sit-in and protest. They were there all day, with no problems. They were eventually asked to leave a isle in the large mass of people so people could get to class. But I didn't go, I wasn't about to skip class that I paid tons of money for.
[QUOTE=DaMastez;33338488]Then how were the police going to arrest them? By interlocking their arms they were resisting arrest (if my understanding is correct that is). If you don't want to get hurt, don't break the law. Simple as that. It's not like they shot the students, they used a non-lethal spray which irritates.[/QUOTE] It really defeats the point of protesting. *People protest as defended by the constitution* Cop says, "Whats the constitution? GTFO!" *Cop proceeds to pepper spray non violent people* I'm sorry, but protesting in America is a joke. I love cops, but when it comes to these protests lately. . .
As long as nothing gets as bad as Canada losing Hockey.
It's only a matter of time until it breaks out into violence. These peaceful protests have risen awareness but there hasn't been much of a result except their own people getting the shit beaten out of them. This economic climate, this poor treatment of our citizens is why the constitution gave us the right to protest and even the right to bear arms in the first place.
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