Barack Obama plans intervention in Britain's EU referendum
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President’s ‘big reach out’ would aim to persuade UK voters to back staying in EU, as US fears grow that Cameron could lose
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Barack Obama is planning to make “a big, public reach-out” to persuade British voters to stay inside the European Union, the chair of the US Senate foreign relations committee has revealed.
The plan emerged amid fears in Washington that the UK’s EU referendum is a dangerous gamble that could unravel with disastrous consequences for the entire continent.
His “reach out” is likely to focus on the need for the EU to stick together to combat the migration crisis and the growing threat of Russian aggression in the Baltics, Ukraine and Middle East.
But there are concerns in both Washington and London that an intervention by the US president has to be handled sensitively and could backfire unless it is pitched at the right geopolitical level[/quote]
More in article: [url]http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/feb/12/barack-obama-plans-eu-referendum-intervention[/url]
Fuck off, this is England's choice. Our president doesn't have any business with their internal affairs.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;49738983]Fuck off, this is England's choice. Our president doesn't have any business with their internal affairs.[/QUOTE]
Thanks, I agree. It's nice that he'll actually speak to us personally and I'm looking forward to that but yeah come on this is our choice I know he's doing it for the financial/strategic interests of the UK in the EU and he's just not from this country when it comes down to it :v:
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;49738983]Fuck off, this is England's choice. Our president doesn't have any business with their internal affairs.[/QUOTE]
people think of the wrong choices sometimes and need someone to persuade them
I hope this works, we should not leave the EU.
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;49739007]people think of the wrong choices sometimes and need someone to persuade them[/QUOTE]
Some people have no right to do that?
Nobody sees David Cameron giving a "BIG SHOUT OUT" against Donald Trump, the likes of which would be worse for the international community than Britain leaving the damn EU. It's to leave the EU, not Europe...
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;49739007]people think of the wrong choices sometimes and need someone to persuade them[/QUOTE]
Still sends a bad message when someone tries to interfere in the affairs of another state. Don't get me wrong, I'm voting to stay in, but I can see this pissing off a lot of British voters - might have the opposite of the intended effect.
We don't often like having it rubbed in our faces that we are our former colony's bitch.
[QUOTE=Cypher_09;49739021]Some people have no right to do that?
Nobody sees David Cameron giving a "BIG SHOUT OUT" against Donald Trump, the likes of which would be worse for the international community than Britain leaving the damn EU. It's to leave the EU, not Europe...[/QUOTE]
Obama has as much right to ask the british to vote to stay as any other person
[QUOTE=Craigewan;49739022]Still sends a bad message when someone tries to interfere in the affairs of another state. Don't get me wrong, I'm voting to stay in, but I can see this pissing off a lot of British voters - might have the opposite of the intended effect.
We don't often like having it rubbed in our faces that we are our former colony's bitch.[/QUOTE]
it's Obama, he's going to speak about unity and the importance of alliance and all that, not shove it down your face that they beat you in a war, what are you talking about
[QUOTE=Cypher_09;49739021]Some people have no right to do that?
Nobody sees David Cameron giving a "BIG SHOUT OUT" against Donald Trump, the likes of which would be worse for the international community than Britain leaving the damn EU. It's to leave the EU, not Europe...[/QUOTE]
I think he has every right. He's not telling you to do anything, he'll just be voicing his two cents. The scenario you mentioned would be drastically different.
Another foreign leader reaching out to tell us what to do?
Yeah, I'm sure that will totally persuade eurosceptics.
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;49739030]Obama has as much right to ask the british to vote to stay as any other person
it's Obama, he's going to speak about unity and the importance of alliance and all that, he's not a crazy radical[/QUOTE]
[video=youtube;y5vHhpaP9H8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5vHhpaP9H8[/video]
INTERVENTION
I know though, it's gonna be a nice speech and it is gonna be inspiring. But it's like spending +50 diplomatic power to sway the vote; he's the president of the United States and his word carries a fair amount of weight. Personally I disapprove because I'm for the exit, but if I weren't then I'd be glad he's doing this.
He's an amazing speaker and we love listening to his speeches here, but like a lot of Americans, I'm sure you know that a lot of the time it's "just talk" and if there's the slightest chance (because the USA isn't in the EU, it would be hard to know exactly how it is from our perspective) that will affect the outcome of the vote, I don't think that would be a "fair fight", if you know what I mean.
I know it's all just my opinion though and I'm cool with everyone disagreeing, I'm not trying to ram it down anybody's throat which is why I didn't give one in the OP, but I'll just answer when I'm quoted and hopefully not start a shitstorm again :v:
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;49738983]Fuck off, this is England's choice. Our president doesn't have any business with their internal affairs.[/QUOTE]
We'll make you a deal, you stop the tories pulling us out of the EU and we'll ban Trump from entering the UK to damage his election chances. :v:
[QUOTE=Rents;49739063]We'll make you a deal, you stop the tories pulling us out of the EU and we'll ban Trump from entering the UK to damage his election chances. :v:[/QUOTE]
Now I'll personally pay for Obama's hotel stay during the trip :poot:
Leave us to our own damn interests, you bloody Yanky.
Heaven forbid a foreign politician trying to prevent us from committing political and economic suicide.
[QUOTE=CMB Unit 01;49739158]Heaven forbid a foreign politician trying to prevent us from committing political and economic suicide.[/QUOTE]
Suicide? We'd be better trading partners with the US than ever before
America has pretty big interest in us staying in the EU, what with TTIP and all.
The UK has a strict policy of non-intervention in the affairs of the U.S.
This seems so fucking underhanded.
What is happening at the moment.. Obama has gone completely fucking haywire.
[QUOTE=Bradyns;49739177]
What is happening at the moment.. Obama has gone completely fucking haywire.[/QUOTE]
What do you mean, fucking lol, he's been like this since he got elected.
He's worse than Bush when it comes to waffling on foreign policy
[QUOTE=Bradyns;49739177]The UK has strict policy of non-intervention in the affairs of the U.S.
This seems so fucking underhanded.
What is happening at the moment.. Obama has gone completely fucking haywire.[/QUOTE]
He doesn't have to give a shit about re-election, I'm surprised he hasn't pushed the boat out more really.
You reckon he'll sit us all down with a cup of Tea like the Queen does on Christmas Day?
So can someone fill me in on this, is UK going to do better off without the EU?
[QUOTE=AhoyMate;49739207]So can someone fill me in on this, is UK going to do better off without the EU?[/QUOTE]
Depends on who you ask and in what regard.
[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;49739211]Depends on who you ask and in what regard.[/QUOTE]
Well, economically.
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;49739185]What do you mean, fucking lol, he's been like this since he got elected.
He's worse than Bush when it comes to waffling on foreign policy[/QUOTE]
Not really.
You have to surely agree that he has become more vocal in the last 12-18months about specific topics that don't necessarily tow the party line, nor agree with the way the nation would be inclined to vote.
[QUOTE=Bradyns;49739236]Not really.
You have to surely agree that he has become more vocal in the last 12-18months about specific topics that don't necessarily tow the party line, nor agree with the way the nation would be inclined to vote.[/QUOTE]
The way he plans an intervention though, doesn't feel like he's reciprocating the respect we give each other. I thought we were immune to all of this "freedom fries" shit he throws at other countries.
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[QUOTE=AhoyMate;49739227]Well, economically.[/QUOTE]
You'd have to do some reading;
[url]http://www.betteroffout.net/the-case/10-eu-myths-about-withdrawl/[/url]
[url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-20448450[/url]
[url]http://www.theweek.co.uk/eu-referendum[/url]
[url]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/11488929/Is-Britain-better-off-in-or-out-of-Europe.html[/url]
[url]http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/apr/19/what-would-happen-if-britain-left-the-eu-consequences-of-exit[/url]
Bearing in mind that media corporations are almost always politically affiliated.
How is it surprising that Obama doesn't want the UK to literally make the dumbest choice ever? He's tried to convince other European leaders to act differently, like when he told Merkel to cut Greece a bit of slack a year ago.
Friends don't let friends do stupid or cruel things. You guys are literally acting the way people do during interventions "fuck off mate this is my choice it's not even that big a deal it's none of your fucking business ya arse"
[QUOTE=MissZoey;49739012]I hope this works, we should not leave the EU.[/QUOTE]
There is no way the UK will leave the EU.
[QUOTE=person11;49739281]How is it surprising that Obama doesn't want the UK to literally make the dumbest choice ever? He's tried to convince other European leaders to act differently, like when he told Merkel to cut Greece a bit of slack a year ago.
[B]Friends don't let friends do stupid or cruel things.[/B] You guys are literally acting the way people do during interventions "fuck off mate this is my choice it's not even that big a deal it's none of your fucking business ya arse"[/QUOTE]
In which case why are we not sending David Cameron to convince your country not to vote for Trump?
Usually when you stage an intervention it's to bring them back to some sort of normality. In case you haven't noticed over there but the EU is pretty fucked for a lot of countries right now and has led to this whole migrant crisis.
\/ with this guy's chancellor on the throne
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;49738983]Fuck off, this is England's choice. Our president doesn't have any business with their internal affairs.[/QUOTE]
He's not taking it. Think about what he has to say and his arguments or don't, that's another choice. One he's actually giving you without taking any.
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[QUOTE=Adarrek;49739290]There is no way the UK will leave the EU.[/QUOTE]
Their entire financial sector is so tightly intertwined with the EU even thinking about it is almost pervertedly comical.
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