• 5 teens in custody after Jewish cemetery attack
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[quote]Five teenagers are in custody after the desecration of a Jewish cemetery in Sarre Union, France, Saverne prosecutor Philippe Vanier said Monday. The minors, all between the ages of 15 and 17, grew up in the Alsace region of France and have no criminal records. Police took the teens into custody after a 15-year-old turned himself in, saying he had damaged the cemetery with four other teenagers, the prosecutor said. One of the teens denied the attack was anti-Semitic, Vanier said. The teens thought the graveyard was abandoned and didn't notice the graves were Jewish until after they had begun to vandalize them, the prosecutor said, recounting what one of the teens told police. They are charged with desecration of graves and with organized damage on property for the public benefit, Vanier said. They each face a maximum sentence of seven years in prison. Though it wasn't noticed until the weekend, it appears the damage occurred late Thursday afternoon. About 250 graves were damaged, with most of the damage consisting of headstones being overturned and columns uprooted. Photos from the cemetery showed gray stone and glossy marble headstones lying on the ground as if they'd toppled over. "We express the strongest condemnation of the desecration of hundreds of graves in a Jewish cemetery," Interior Minister Bernard Cazeneuve said in a news release. "Everything will be put in place to identify, arrest and send to justice the perpetrators of these ignominious acts," he said. "The French Republic won't allow another act against our values." Calling the site "an image of desolation," Philippe Richert, president of the Alsace region, told Agence France-Presse why he felt the damage was the certain work of vandals: "One doesn't knock over heavy steles like that dating from the 19th century very easily. It was a deliberate act of destruction."[/quote] [url]http://www.cnn.com/2015/02/16/europe/france-jewish-cemetery-tombstones-damaged/index.html[/url]
7 years sure seems like a lot for teenagers being stupid.
[quote]The teens thought the graveyard was abandoned and didn't notice the graves were Jewish until after they had begun to vandalize them,[/quote] It isn't okay regardless of the religion the dead had. You simply do not desecrate the graves of the dead. Families have them put there for a reason. [editline]16th February 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=SamPerson123;47153804]7 years sure seems like a lot for teenagers being stupid.[/QUOTE] Honestly, "being stupid" should never be something which gets you off the hook for doing heinous shit like this. Certain religions find the desecration of one's grave to be on par to that of torturing the soul of that person and possibly sending them to hell for damnation. And the people who fork out thousands for their family members to be remembered with a gravestone should be able to rest easy without having some teenage kids going around and breaking their families headstones or flipping them over and desecrating them.
[QUOTE=SamPerson123;47153804]7 years sure seems like a lot for teenagers being stupid.[/QUOTE] It's more for the purposes of making them an example to discourage any further potential acts like this.
[QUOTE=Adlertag1940;47153860]It's more for the purposes of making them an example to discourage any further potential acts like this.[/QUOTE] I somehow doubt it'll work like that.
[QUOTE=Adlertag1940;47153860]It's more for the purposes of making them an example to discourage any further potential acts like this.[/QUOTE]Should law and justice work like that though? Almost a decade of their life gone over a petty crime all of that just to use them as an example. I don't think teens should get 7 years for vandalizing gravestones. Give them like 2 + community service instead.
I don't believe their excuse. There's no such thing as 'abandoned' land, not in the developed world. Someone owns it, whether public or private, it belongs to some entity. Is that graveyard your land? No? Then stay off the property unless you have legitimate business there. Is that headstone yours? if the answer is no then you can't mess with it. Simple concepts.
[QUOTE=Adlertag1940;47153860]It's more for the purposes of making them an example to discourage any further potential acts like this.[/QUOTE] Still though 7 years? Come on. 6 or 7 months would be acceptable.
They turned themselves in and they got 7 years for it? wtf
[QUOTE=MightyLOLZOR;47153879]Still though 7 years? Come on. 6 or 7 months would be acceptable.[/QUOTE] They desecrated around 300 graves, its not just kids being silly - its a pretty fucked up thing they did.
[QUOTE=Jonzky;47154049]They desecrated around 300 graves, its not just kids being silly - its a pretty fucked up thing they did.[/QUOTE] To be fair, the dead don't really care. Seven years is a very, very long time.
7 years is the maximum sentence, not what they got. They haven't gotten their punishment yet. Personally I'd say it'd be better to make them responsible and have them be required to help repair and upkeep the cemetery. If they fail to do that jail would be the fallback.
[QUOTE=CrucialSeBBi;47153997]They turned themselves in and they got 7 years for it? wtf[/QUOTE] They are facing charges that have a maximum sentence of 7 years. That means the punishment could be that or anything lesser (generally speaking turning yourself in and/or confessing increases your odds of a lighter end sentence), and that's assuming they're even convicted.
[QUOTE=itisjuly;47153874]Should law and justice work like that though? Almost a decade of their life gone over a petty crime all of that just to use them as an example. I don't think teens should get 7 years for vandalizing gravestones. Give them like 2 + community service instead.[/QUOTE] Seven years is the maximum sentence they can get. The thing missing from the article is the minimum sentence they can get. This will most likely end up as community service.
[QUOTE=cecilbdemodded;47153876]I don't believe their excuse. There's no such thing as 'abandoned' land, not in the developed world. Someone owns it, whether public or private, it belongs to some entity. Is that graveyard your land? No? Then stay off the property unless you have legitimate business there. Is that headstone yours? if the answer is no then you can't mess with it. Simple concepts.[/QUOTE] I think that was supposed to be their reason, not their excuse. By saying that I don't think they were trying to get themselves off any kind of punishment, just saying why they did it.
250 graves? wtf
[QUOTE=Impact1986;47154301]250 graves? wtf[/QUOTE] They would have done more but it's a small graveyard.
[QUOTE=SamPerson123;47153804]7 years sure seems like a lot for teenagers being stupid.[/QUOTE] Damaging and defacing 250 graves is 'teenagers being stupid to you'?
Holy fuck actually read the article some of you.
[QUOTE=itisjuly;47153874]Should law and justice work like that though? Almost a decade of their life gone over a petty crime all of that just to use them as an example. I don't think teens should get 7 years for vandalizing gravestones. Give them like 2 + community service instead.[/QUOTE] You don't fuck with the dead. Period. 250 graves later; don't sit there and act like they "didn't know what they were doing." That is willful vandalism, and in regard to WHAT they vandalized, I think the sentencing is honestly a little low. You'd be singing a different tune if it was one of your family members / loved ones grave. [editline]17th February 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=MightyLOLZOR;47153879]Still though 7 years? Come on. 6 or 7 months would be acceptable.[/QUOTE] No. Once again, you'd all all be singing a different tune if it was your relative. [editline]17th February 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;47154082]To be fair, the dead don't really care. Seven years is a very, very long time.[/QUOTE] So using your logic, you'd be totally chill if I took a fatty piss on your grave? Or decide to let lose some slippery shits on your marker? Please; you'd smite me if you could.
[QUOTE=Adlertag1940;47156029]You don't fuck with the dead. Period. 250 graves later; don't sit there and act like they "didn't know what they were doing." That is willful vandalism, and in regard to WHAT they vandalized, I think the sentencing is honestly a little low. You'd be singing a different tune if it was one of your family members / loved ones grave. [/quote] It's not murder. It's not rape. Yeah, what they did was bad but holy shit that's a lot of years away from someone's life. [QUOTE=Adlertag1940;47156029]No. Once again, you'd all all be singing a different tune if it was your relative.[/quote] Well, thank god we don't let victims judge trials. [QUOTE=Adlertag1940;47156029]So using your logic, you'd be totally chill if I took a fatty piss on your grave? Or decide to let lose some slippery shits on your marker? Please; you'd smite me if you could.[/QUOTE] No, because I'd be fucking dead. DEAD. As in I do not give a single fuck about anything. I would not be "chill", I would not be "angry".
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;47154082]To be fair, the dead don't really care. Seven years is a very, very long time.[/QUOTE] To be fair, the families most likely do. I agree on seven years being an awfully long time, though.
Deserved more.
Make them clean the graves + some community service as punishment?
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;47156616]It's not murder. It's not rape. Yeah, what they did was bad but holy shit that's a lot of years away from someone's life. Well, thank god we don't let victims judge trials. No, because I'd be fucking dead. DEAD. As in I do not give a single fuck about anything. I would not be "chill", I would not be "angry".[/QUOTE] Your counter argument is so poorly formed it's not even worthy of rebut. Not to mention if you are just okay with people vandalizing graves, you're just garbage, and at this point just claiming so for attention.
[QUOTE=Adlertag1940;47156029] No. Once again, you'd all all be singing a different tune if it was your relative. [/QUOTE] This is not an argument. If we let victims decide, the criminals will end up getting tortured with salt and then ripped to shreds with whatever violent tool victims can imagine. Unless a teen causes serious harm to someone, they do not deserve 7 years of their life gone in a cell. This is simply counter productive to everyone. Destroying graves should in no way send you into one.
[QUOTE=itisjuly;47158048]This is not an argument. If we let victims decide, the criminals will end up getting tortured with salt and then ripped to shreds with whatever violent tool victims can imagine. Unless a teen causes serious harm to someone, they do not deserve 7 years of their life gone in a cell. This is simply counter productive to everyone. Destroying graves should in no way send you into one.[/QUOTE] It is a valid argument because most of you are absolute hypocrites that hide behind the internet. I challenge anyone to PM me GPS coordinates of their family / loved one's grave markers, if it's just totally chill.
"We didn't [I]know[/I] the cemetery was Jewish, but once we did we adjusted our graffiti accordingly"
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