• UAE warns men NOT to wear robes abroad
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[t]http://ichef-1.bbci.co.uk/news/736/cpsprodpb/142D7/production/_90274628_mediaitem90274627.jpg[/t] [quote]United Arab Emirates (UAE) nationals are being urged not to wear national dress outside the region, days after an Emirati man was detained in the US. Ahmed al-Menhali, a businessman, was detained while wearing traditional robes in a hotel in Avon, Ohio. Media in Ohio said a hotel employee feared he was pledging allegiance to so-called Islamic State group (IS). The UAE's ministry of interior issued advice on Saturday urging citizens to be careful about what they wear abroad. UAE nationals should avoid wearing traditional costume "to preserve their safety", the ministry said (in Arabic) without referencing the Ohio incident.[/quote] [url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-36698839[/url] This will be controversial. My thoughts: Tourists going to UAE are warned not to wear shorts or show too much skin - culturally unfavourable, might upset a few peeps. Tourists from UAE are warned not to wear traditional dress for their own safety and to avoid persecution. Seems like 2 different scenarios 1 for politeness and 1 for safety. I think people should be able to wear whatever they want provided its not too offensive (a tshirt saying "FUCK OFF" or some racist shit is not right), indecent (naked) and doesn't prevent identification (I guess its ok if its removed for passports or police checks. I feel stuff covering the face isn't a good thing to wear). Seems wrong to me that for fear of stereotypes/persecution people are being told not to wear a reasonable (though outlandish by western standards) piece of clothing. [quote]Avon's mayor and police chief have since apologised to Mr Menhali, who was recovering in Ohio after treatment following a stroke.[/quote] Seems like he was having a hard time also. Turning people against muslims (see stuff about people being persecuted against for speaking arabic or even other languages) is what ISIS wants to do. They want to make us marginalise good normal people and turn us against ourselves. For post about the guy [url]https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1525498[/url] Maybe I should have just posted this there?
yeah when you shadily finance oil wars and weapon trades that spawn ISIS, or allagedly ISIS itself, still keep slaves in the 21st century, don't be surprised when the good people from your country reap what you sow the uae is in big part responsible for the paranoia surrounding them, and now they're playing the victim card because a (legitimate) businessman gets hurt to save face
[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;50643978]Tourists going to UAE are warned not to wear shorts or show too much skin - culturally unfavourable, might upset a few peeps. Tourists from UAE are warned not to wear traditional dress for their own safety and to avoid persecution. Seems like 2 different scenarios 1 for politeness and 1 for safety.[/QUOTE] I agree that people should be able to wear whatever they want without fear of violence, but you're talking about parts of the world where women are beaten and stoned to death for not covering their hair. It's not two different scenarios.
Or just not visit UAE because its part of the backwards group.
while I think people [i]should[/i] be able to wear whatever they want, I also think it's kind of a smart call to warn people to not wear robes (especially in the US) because of the current state of how people view muslims. it sucks but if I were them I wouldn't want to get confronted by random people for being a terrorist for no reason either. not even worth the risk.
Religious and cultural attire seem to overturn common sense. It's like if I were to wear a red or blue shirt in Los Angeles and wonder why I was shot at or beaten to a [I]bloody, crippled[/I] pulp. It isn't right, not by a long shot, but what the hell did you expect?
[QUOTE=Penultimate;50644082]I agree that people should be able to wear whatever they want without fear of violence, but you're talking about parts of the world where women are beaten and stoned to death for not covering their hair. It's not two different scenarios.[/QUOTE] IMO state involvement in the discrimination marks the difference. If religious police came to beat you up for wearing shorts then, yes, I would say its the same scenario. (possible in other countries but I think the UAE is a little more sane than Saudi Arabia - not entirely sure) IMO wearing shorts there is a matter of "you might upset the locals" wearing a robe in the US is a matter of "you might get accused of being a terrorist and manhandled by police" But yeah I don't disagree there are some ass backward views and attitudes held in that part of the world.
[QUOTE=Egevened;50644079]yeah when you shadily finance oil wars and weapon trades that spawn ISIS, or allagedly ISIS itself, still keep slaves in the 21st century, don't be surprised when the good people from your country reap what you sow the uae is in big part responsible for the paranoia surrounding them, and now they're playing the victim card because a (legitimate) businessman gets hurt to save face[/QUOTE] Because citizens of the UAE is personally responsible for all the bad things the government does, just like how every American is personally responsible for the tortures taken place in Gitmo. [QUOTE=Penultimate;50644082]I agree that people should be able to wear whatever they want without fear of violence, but you're talking about parts of the world where women are beaten and stoned to death for not covering their hair. It's not two different scenarios.[/QUOTE] Show me evidence of countries in that "part of the world" where women are legally stoned for showing their hair.
[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;50643978] Tourists going to UAE are warned not to wear shorts or show too much skin - culturally unfavourable, might upset a few peeps. Tourists from UAE are warned not to wear traditional dress for their own safety and to avoid persecution. Seems like 2 different scenarios 1 for politeness and 1 for safety.[/QUOTE] I would much rather have dark skin and wear a traditional muslim robe in the US than to go to the UAE and wear something many over there view as offensive. Though, it's my understanding it's more a matter of being the wrong gender in the UAE. I mean, let's look at what happened here; some idiot freaked out, called the police, and provided incorrect information, seemingly because of what this person was wearing. The police responded based on the contents of the call, detained the individual to investigate, and released him shortly thereafter. Point being, the government and legal system didn't unduly prosecute him because of what he was wearing or where he was from. Meanwhile, in the UAE: [quote]Penalties for public displays of affection or immodesty can be severe. Travelers have been sentenced to lengthy jail terms for kissing in public.[/quote] [url=https://travel.state.gov/content/passports/en/country/united-arab-emirates.html]Source[/url]
[QUOTE=Fayez;50644195] Show me evidence of countries in that "part of the world" where women are legally stoned for showing their hair.[/QUOTE] In July 2013, a Norwegian woman, Marte Dalelv, reported rape to the police and received a prison sentence for "illicit sex and alcohol consumption" and false allegations. Apostasy is a crime punishable by death in the UAE.[37][38] Blasphemy is illegal, expats involved in insulting Islam are punished by deportation. homosexuality is a capital offense in the UAE.[49][50] In 2014, an Emirati man was on trial for being accused of a "gay handshake" [quote]The UAE Federal Supreme Court this week upheld the earlier ruling of the Federal Sharia Court of First Instance in Ajman, to hand down the death sentence by stoning to a Pakistani man found guilty of having unlawful sexual relations with his four stepdaughters. The Gulf News report said that a police officer had remarked that this was the first time that somebody had been sentenced to death by stoning. The man who is in his 50s admitted his guilt at all stages of the court process. The four women were sentenced to 80 lashes each for ‘allowing’ their stepfather to have sex with them. They reportedly gave birth to 11 children by their stepfather. These women, who are now aged between twenty-one and twenty-six, told the judge their stepfather had threatened them with a knife as he forced them to surrender to him. The report did not indicate how the charge of ‘allowing’ the stepfather to have sex with them, squared with their statement of being forced to comply to his advances, at the threat of a knife. The punishment decreed by the court has already been carried on the women. The mother of the young women (who was formerly married to an Emirati man who died twelve years ago) has been accused of aiding and abetting her husband but is yet to be sentenced. The full report is online at: Bassma Al Jandaly, ‘Court upholds Stoning Penalty Against Man’, Gulf News, 13 April 2007.[/quote]
[QUOTE=DaMastez;50644227]I would much rather have dark skin and wear a traditional muslim robe in the US than to go to the UAE and wear something many over there view as offensive. Though, it's my understanding it's more a matter of being the wrong gender in the UAE. I mean, let's look at what happened here; some idiot freaked out, called the police, and provided incorrect information, seemingly because of what this person was wearing. The police responded based on the contents of the call, detained the individual to investigate, and released him shortly thereafter. Point being, the government and legal system didn't unduly prosecute him because of what he was wearing or where he was from. Meanwhile, in the UAE: [url=https://travel.state.gov/content/passports/en/country/united-arab-emirates.html]Source[/url][/QUOTE] Yup you're right, we (as in the west) should strive to be far better than them though. 1 thing I don't get is why people go there on holiday anyway? there are far nicer places to go without propping up some of the worst regimes on the planet.
[QUOTE=Fayez;50644195]Because citizens of the UAE is personally responsible for all the bad things the government does, just like how every American is personally responsible for the tortures taken place in Gitmo.[/QUOTE] this is exactly what I was avoiding by saying the "uae" referring to their government
IIRC, American tourists going abroad are strongly encouraged by the US to not wear anything identifying them as American. This is probably pretty standard for most countries warning tourists and other travelers.
Remember, wear your burkqa or whatever or you might be stoned by the most tolerant religion on earth women
[QUOTE=niiiiiiiiok;50644413]Remember, wear your burkqa or whatever or you might be stoned by the most tolerant religion on earth women[/QUOTE] Are we not better than that though? Why should people fear wearing a certain style of cloth in our bastion of freedom?
[QUOTE=Egevened;50644079]yeah when you shadily finance oil wars and weapon trades that spawn ISIS, or allagedly ISIS itself, still keep slaves in the 21st century, don't be surprised when the good people from your country reap what you sow the uae is in big part responsible for the paranoia surrounding them, and now they're playing the victim card because a (legitimate) businessman gets hurt to save face[/QUOTE] "discrimination is okay when its against people i dont like"
[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;50644453]Are we not better than that though? Why should people fear wearing a certain style of cloth in our bastion of freedom?[/QUOTE] I'm referring to UAE and friends love of psychotic punishments, Ojai
[QUOTE=Scot;50644469]"discrimination is okay when its against people i dont like"[/QUOTE] When "people i don't like" is being used for "a country that has 23 pages+ human rights violations"; I think it goes a little further than just "people i don't like." That said, what the UAE is doing is no different than what any other first-world country does when talking about traveling abroad during strained relations. I'm not saying it's peachy, and it sure is a raw plate of shit what occurred in the news story due to media-spiced paranoia and ignorance - but it [I]is[/I] generally a good idea to not draw attention to yourself when going to other countries. If America has an Islamophobia craze, maybe it's not a good idea to wear items that may have rednecks identify you as "ISIS man." And I sure as shit wouldn't go to the UAE with anything patrotically American - I've had unassuming family members get harassed over their, during business trips, just for being American.
I hope that receptionist is happy for phoning in a fake terror threat now
[QUOTE=BioWaster;50644122]Religious and cultural attire seem to overturn common sense. It's like if I were to wear a red or blue shirt in Los Angeles and wonder why I was shot at or beaten to a [I]bloody, crippled[/I] pulp. It isn't right, not by a long shot, but what the hell did you expect?[/QUOTE] This doesn't happen unless you walk in really shady ghetto areas in the middle of the night or some shit
[QUOTE=Egevened;50644250]In July 2013, a Norwegian woman, Marte Dalelv, reported rape to the police and received a prison sentence for "illicit sex and alcohol consumption" and false allegations. Apostasy is a crime punishable by death in the UAE.[37][38] Blasphemy is illegal, expats involved in insulting Islam are punished by deportation. homosexuality is a capital offense in the UAE.[49][50] In 2014, an Emirati man was on trial for being accused of a "gay handshake"[/QUOTE] Way to completely ignore what I posted.
[QUOTE=Penultimate;50644082]I agree that people should be able to wear whatever they want without fear of violence, but you're talking about parts of the world where women are beaten and stoned to death for not covering their hair. It's not two different scenarios.[/QUOTE] whoa, this is the UAE here not Iraq. jesus christ. not all of the UAE immediately decides to beat people up if they dont wear a hijab or something. even extremer areas. the most i've seen is getting arrested, and thats in severe cases.
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