[quote]Washington (CNN)House Speaker Paul Ryan said Thursday that Republicans will move to strip all federal funding for Planned Parenthood as part of the process they are using early this year to dismantle Obamacare.[/quote]
[url]http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/05/politics/paul-ryan-planned-parenthood-obamacare/index.html[/url]
whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
Great! Making birth control and women's health access less accessible is definitely going to reduce the number of abortions that occur.
What is the motivation behind this bullshit? Those bastards really want our country to regress.
[QUOTE=Biotoxsin;51628262]Great! Making birth control and women's health access less accessible is definitely going to reduce the number of abortions that occur.
What is the motivation behind this bullshit? Those bastards really want our country to regress.[/QUOTE]
thar kerlin are babies!
Women are going to die from the lack of legal and licensed care.
I swear they only think babies are important when they are in the womb. Once they are out who gives a fuck.
[QUOTE=A B.A. Survivor;51628265]Women are going to die from the lack of legal and licensed care.[/QUOTE]
It really just shows how little they care.
Abortions are a tiny part of what PP does. But at the very least, they could just provide an ultimatum to cease/dontfundwithgovernmentmoney THAT activity while keeping the rest.
I have trouble believing the politicians themselves are as dumb as their supporters. Is the point to solidify class alignment within our country by locking the poor in place? If you want to destroy class mobility this seems like a [I]great[/I] strategy.
The problem with abortion is, making it harder to access won't stop people getting them. I honestly think the only thing that can really be done here is more education, more focus on birth control, and more support. I don't necessarily [I]want[/I] abortions to happen (I'd much prefer every pregnancy to be planned and wanted), but there are positive ways to reduce abortion rates compared to just making it really difficult.
[QUOTE=Jamsponge;51628279]The problem with abortion is, making it harder to access won't stop people getting them. I honestly think the only thing that can really be done here is more education, more focus on birth control, and more support. I don't necessarily [I]want[/I] abortions to happen (I'd much prefer every pregnancy to be planned and wanted), but there are positive ways to reduce abortion rates compared to just making it really difficult.[/QUOTE]
What's wrong with abortion? Even with contraceptive use pregnancy happens at inopportune times. No one wants them, but we [I]need[/I] them.
We need to defund planned Parenthood
To build a wall
U.S.A! U.S.A!
[QUOTE=MissingGlitch;51628267]I swear they only think babies are important when they are in the womb. Once they are out who gives a fuck.[/QUOTE]
Before birth and after 18, fucking hell Carlin might as well have just been speaking truth at this sad moment in time.
Good. Why should we waste our money on people who can't keep it in their pants or wrap it up?
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[QUOTE=Bleach Qeef;51628311]Good. Why should we waste our money on people who can't keep it in their pants or wrap it up?[/QUOTE]
What is your opinion on women that became pregnant through rape, or via broken condom?
[QUOTE=Bleach Qeef;51628311]Good. Why should we waste our money on people who can't keep it in their pants or wrap it up?[/QUOTE] You're right, cramming those children into the foster care system or having terribly ill-equipped parents to raise them is a better choice.
Also planned parenthood, as the name suggests TEACHES them how to do those things along with many other services.
[QUOTE=Biotoxsin;51628285]What's wrong with abortion? Even with contraceptive use pregnancy happens at inopportune times. No one wants them, but we [I]need[/I] them.[/QUOTE]
That's what I mean. I'd prefer as few abortions as possible to happen, but it's still a harrowing and awful experience for the mother, and you're extinguishing what, with time, would become a person. It's sad, but I'm not against it happening. I just wish it didn't have to.
[QUOTE=Bleach Qeef;51628311]Good. Why should we waste our money on people who can't keep it in their pants or wrap it up?[/QUOTE]
How the fuck is it even possible for you to be so short-sighted? Are you ASPD? Here, here's something for you to think about:
[QUOTE]So, some background. I have a 6 week old daughter now, but 1 year ago my wife and I watched as our first pregnancy ended with our daughter dying from Turner's Syndrome complicated by a cystic hygroma. She choked to death on her own lympathic fluid and then had her head explode like a water balloon (which I witnessed).
My family are ultra-right-wing Christians and they love to post their opinions all over social media, and they frequently rail about abortion despite knowing full well what my wife and I went through and that both of us wish we had aborted our daughter rather than waiting 6 months until she suffered and died.
I've never responded to their anti-abortion militancy, although my wife has a few times and she has literally begged them to have compassion for people in situations that they have not been through. Instead, they still feel the need to throw these very cruel, judgmental, and hurtful little videos and stories all over the place with no concern for anyone's feelings, just wanting to be holier-than-thou in every way possible. When my wife asked my sister to have some thought for parents put in a position where their child will suffer horrendously and die, my sister's exact response was "Well maybe suffering isn't a good enough excuse to kill a child." Still I kept myself in check, for family's sake...
Until my sister posted this video: [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDmwPGrZkYs[/URL]
And I just lost my fucking mind. Like, I really lost it. If they had been in the house with me I'd have hit someone, I'm still shaking with rage. I cried from how hurtful it is to see shit like that.
But I also think I went too far, but I don't know. It breaks my heart to hate someone I love, but I swear every time someone posts something like this I lose my shit and I do hate them. My heart fills with so much hate every time someone tries to shove this garbage into my face. I don't think I have any less empathy or any more hatred for anyone on this planet than for the "prolife" movement. And I used to be one of them (which fills me with immense shame).
I have no idea how to think or feel about what I said or how this all went down, I'm still shaking, I'm still enraged. I'll include what I wrote. I'm not looking for affirmation for what I said, I just need people who can understand why I am so angry, and (yes) tell me I need therapy. But mostly I just need people who can understand my absolute, blinding-red rage. Because I could not be angrier than I am right now.
[QUOTE]Ben's welcome to come tell the mother of a child with anencephaly that she must carry the baby to term until its brains melt out of its skull and flop onto the floor of a hospital in a pile of slop as the amniotic fluid spends nine months chewing away at its body while it is dissolved alive. Sure would be nice if the mother could choose to not put its child through that, oh well, not in Ben's world, fuck those women and their children I guess.
You know how many abortions happen in the third trimester in America every year? It's 100. That's it. And ALL of them are from severe abnormalities, chromosomal defects, and 100% fatally dead children. All of them. ALL of them. The same happy fun place I was in one year ago today.
You know what would have been nice? Not having my daughter's skull explode like an overripe melon in front of my eyes. That was a bit unpleasant. Sure could have done without that image until the day I died. OH WELL, at least Ben fucking Shapiro approves of my daughter's head exploding naturally and not from saving her from suffering until she died, so I can live with THAT comfort can't I?
And while that was a bad day, watching her choke to death on her own lymphatic fluids for six months was a bit harder to deal with. Just a wee fucking bit. Ending her suffering before she had a functional nervous system would have been the kind thing to do. I, selfishly, and cruelly, chose to pretend that she wasn't going to die and instead forced her to choke to death and die in agony. I wish I could do that over again, but not in Ben's world, nope, fuck me for wanting to not force my daughter to gag to death on her own plasma and piss. You know what I wonder whenever someone shoves this shit down my throat? How they would react watching their child suffer and die for six months? How the FUCK they would react watching their infant's head go POP and leak out on the hospital floor? It was oodles of fun, maybe I should've made a video so you could share in the joy.
Maybe people like Ben can tell me how they would deal with having a profession where it's your job to give this SAME NEWS to parents every day. That's my job. I go "HEY! my daughter's head exploded like an overripe melon and splattered the doctor in the face like a waterballoon, that's what you're in for! WHEEEE". Maybe Ben could then tell them they can't do anything but let the fetus suffer because Ben fucking Shapiro said they don't get to choose how their terminal child dies: in agony or instantly. Good thing Ben fucking Shapiro is the moral arbiter of the universe and the judge of other people's medical decisions.
Maybe someone can explain to me why it's better to force someone to birth a child with a cystic hygroma and no chance of survival? Anyone? Anyone care to tell me what a good boy I am for making my daughter's head pop like a melon? Or what about mothers with fetuses with iniencephaly? (Google images it). How about hydaditiform moles? (Google it) How about ectopic pregnancies? (Google it) How about trisomy 13? (Google it) How about Bowen Conradi Syndrome? (Google it) How about anencephaly? (Google it) How about Alobar Holoprosencephaly? (Google it) How about an acardiac/acephalic twin that has no heart or head and if you don't abort it they both die. Maybe Ben has a medically informed explanation for them? Or maybe an ounce of fucking empathy...? Oh, no, they're just stupid evil whores for not wanting to force their children to liquify in the womb. Of course. Ben's got it all figured out with his bachelor of arts in political science. I wonder if Ben could tell me what a single chromosomal abnormality is off the top of his head? What do you think the odds are...? I'm betting it's a touch low.
Maybe Ben would like to tell the mother of this child she didn't have a choice but to let it die in agony and pain in an inevitable death as its critically malformed brain turned to soup. What an evil bitch right? Good thing we have Ben to spit in her face and call her an evil whore for having a child with a chromosomal abnormality. She's obviously responsible for her own genetics, right? [URL]http://www.aheartbreakingchoice.com/.../Holoprosencephaly[/URL]...
And maybe Ben can explain to me why 45% of all pregnancies end in dead fetuses and grieving parents? For every person on this planet there's one that didn't get past the womb because its guts were turned into a tumorous soup, or its brain never existed at all. Maybe Ben in his infinite medically-uniformed wisdom would like to take it up with his fucking god and not spit on people who WANT children and have to choose between instant death or 10 months of suffering and turning into fetal soup.
But I guess that'd require something a bit harder than telling grieving parents how evil they are.[/QUOTE][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Biotoxsin;51628262]Great! Making birth control and women's health access less accessible is definitely going to reduce the number of abortions that occur.
What is the motivation behind this bullshit? Those bastards really want our country to regress.[/QUOTE]
The motivation is the GOP is full of old fucks who claim to want small government while simultaneously using big government to enforce their personal morals on the country because they're a bunch of old fucks.
[QUOTE=Jamsponge;51628329]That's what I mean. I'd prefer as few abortions as possible to happen, but it's still a harrowing and awful experience for the mother, and you're extinguishing what, with time, would become a person. It's sad, but I'm not against it happening. I just wish it didn't have to.[/QUOTE]
Despite being a far left atheist I'm pretty strongly against it except for rape and other dire circumstances, but that's just my personal conviction on what constitutes the foetuses humanity.
When it comes to other people/couples, imo there isn't nearly a strong enough case to force them to not have the option if they so desire.
[QUOTE=Bleach Qeef;51628311]Good. Why should we waste our money on people who can't keep it in their pants or wrap it up?[/QUOTE]
Yeah, we should let them be born into poverty and spend money helping to support them their entire non-adult life through either welfare for their parents, a state or federally run orphanage, or federally assisted foster child programs instead! Great idea! /s
While I still have misgivings about free abortion (at-least, when it comes to actively supporting it in Ireland; I would never oppose it), abortion should be- nah, must be allowed in cases of rape, incest, or where there is a threat to the life of the mother. I hope that will one day be the case in Ireland at-least.
It should certainly not be rolled back. And Planned Parenthood shouldn't be either.
Overall I believe abortion should be a [I]choice.[/I] No one should decide other than the mother what happens (unless it's a case where the mother will die due to complications).
[QUOTE=thelurker1234;51628343]Despite being a far left atheist I'm pretty strongly against it except for rape and other dire circumstances, but that's just my personal conviction on what constitutes the foetuses humanity.
Otherwise though, there isn't a strong enough case to force other people to not have the option if they so desire.[/QUOTE]
As an atheist, I would imagine that you want your convictions to be based on logic and evidence. I would recommend reading about [URL="https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/nonidentity-problem/"]non-identity[/URL]. Ascribing value to that which does not exist simply because it might is not logically sound. A person's experiences are what makes them human.
[QUOTE=Dr. Evilcop;51628344]Yeah, we should let them be born into poverty and spend money helping to support them their entire non-adult life through either welfare for their parents, a state or federally run orphanage, or federally assisted foster child programs instead! Great idea! /s[/QUOTE]
No, no you see obviously we're supposed to get rid of THAT too! Why should [i]I[/i] have to support a social safety net that exists because people are imperfect? Fuck abandoned children, let 'em rot! Let them starve on the side of the road, let them die of disease, who the fuck wants to spend money on medical care for unwanted children! It's not [i]my[/i] problem after all! /s
[QUOTE=Bleach Qeef;51628311]Good. Why should we waste our money on people who can't keep it in their pants or wrap it up?[/QUOTE]
Because it's neither a waste of money nor is that the reason abortions need to exist, and if you can't understand that then you don't deserve autonomy over your money anyway.
GOP WILL DEFUND FIRE DEPARTMENTS
"Good. Why should we waste our money on people who can't keep from lighting their houses on fire?"
[editline]5th January 2017[/editline]
That's not even to mention that Planned Parenthood does vastly more than just perform abortions, like, you know, providing birth control and information on birth control. Which is apparently on what you're so interested in.
[QUOTE=Bleach Qeef;51628311]Good. Why should we waste our money on people who can't keep it in their pants or wrap it up?[/QUOTE]
bleach what the fuck are you doing man
are you high again
its amazing that the states where teen pregnancy is falling have easy access to birth control, contraceptives, and morning after pills while the states with rediculous high teen pregnancy rates are full of dumb shit like this
either deal with the tons of teen mothers or deal with the pregnancies, doing nothing leads to another generation of criminals and poor
There are way too many people in the world as is, to be honest. I'm going to continue subscribing to the idea that some jingoistic fucks have been manipulating religious peoples' opinions on abortion just so that they have more poor kids to enlist in the future.
[QUOTE=purvisdavid1;51628299]Before birth and after 18, fucking hell Carlin might as well have just been speaking truth at this sad moment in time.[/QUOTE]
[media]https://youtu.be/AvF1Q3UidWM[/media]
I've seen so many arguments that bring up the exact points that he does that I am wondering if he should be considered more a philosopher than a comedian
Hell, most planned parenthood clinics don't offer that as a service anyways. It's actually very difficult to even get the proper setup to be able to perform abortions in the US. Most of those clinics provide healthcare to low income families and women, which is partially why this whole argument is dumb to begin with.
Don't like abortion? Well, we can debate the ethics of that, and there are some surprising arguments both for and against, but healthcare for low income women? Simple things like HPV tests, breast examinations, physicals, referrals to specialists when problems get too bad? Now that's not ethical at all to deny low income groups access to basic survival needs.
Additionally, if there was any question as to why the government funds them? [DEL]Two words, they don't. Planned parenthood to my knowledge receives no federal or state grants. They simply are able to accept medicade and medicare funds for their services, similar to insurance.[/DEL]
EDIT: After looking into it more, this is technically wrong, they do receive federal funds, but the majority of it is from medicare reimbursements. Similar to insurance for some people, but the government does comp them when people have no ability to pay. So while the government does fund them, the funding is basically for charity medical care. Also, this was signed into law by Nixon, who said: "Nixon described Title X funding as based on the premise that "no American woman should be denied access to family planning assistance because of her economic condition"."
-[URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planned_Parenthood#Funding"]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planned_Parenthood#Funding[/URL]
In a nutshell this is political pandering to the nth degree and is a non issue. Republicans in congress should get their heads out of their respective rectums and actually address some of the more pressing needs of our nation.
i think it's great that anti-abortioners call birth "the miracle of life" but also "punishment for careless sex"
so, is it a good or bad thing???
[QUOTE=Bleach Qeef;51628311]Good. Why should we waste our money on people who can't keep it in their pants or wrap it up?[/QUOTE]
Mate, PP was the [I]only[/I] place in parts of southern Indiana that provided HIV testing. Indiana republicans strangled it out of existence right in the middle of an opioid crisis and we were left with a full blown AIDS epidemic that's still spreading as a result.
The whole country is currently experiencing a major opioid surge. I guarantee other parts of rural america are going to get fucked like hoosiers did here if they follow through with this. PP is more than just abortions.
On another note, why the hell are they prioritizing this over economic issues? Where the hell is their healthcare plan? They have damn near free reign and this is what they choose to prioritize?
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