Students across the U.S. mass protest against decadence surrounding education systems. Demand purges - Polidicks

[url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/grade-point/wp/2015/11/12/million-student-march-fights-for-debt-free-college/[/url] [quote]Students at 110 college campuses across the country planned to walk out of class Thursday to march for an affordable education. The aptly named Million Student March has been months in the making, inspired by national campaigns to boost minimum wages, explained Beth Huang, a coordinator for the Student Labor Action Project (SLAP), an initiative of a labor union and foundation-funded group called Jobs with Justice.[/quote] [url]http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/11/12/ferguson-effect-1000-at-berkeley-million-student-march/[/url] [quote]BERKELEY — Roughly 1,000 demonstrators gathered in front of Sproul Hall at the University of California Berkeley to protest for free tuition and demonstrate solidarity with students at the University of Missouri. The Berkeley demonstration was one of more than 100 across the country, part of a “Million Student March” that demanded free tuition, student debt forgiveness, and a minimum wage of $15 per hour. However, events of the past several days have linked the economic campaign to the broader racial protests sweeping across U.S. campuses.[/quote]

Nothing wrong with campaigning for more affordable education. The amount of debt US students accrue is shocking

[QUOTE=Medevila;49105820]also allow me to be [del]cyinical[/del] realistic and say that a demographic that does not vote cannot expect representation in a representative democracy[/QUOTE] It's unrealistic to believe young people as a whole don't vote/don't deserve their say in a democracy

Voting isn't even close to the only democratic expression people have.

1,000 people on Sproul? I doubt that, I walked through there and it was a lot but not that much.

I can see free tuition at the cost of civil or military service but free tuition across the board is not realistic. More affordable education though? Yes.

The sooner we realize that education is the most beneficial thing for society the better.

[QUOTE=Medevila;49105830]and let me be clear I agree with this and this post is silly[/QUOTE] Would you mind explaining how?

wait, walking out of classes you already paid for, or in a lot of cases, your parents paid for, seems REALLY dumb

[QUOTE=Glitchman;49105890]wait, walking out of classes you already paid for, or in a lot of cases, your parents paid for, seems REALLY dumb[/QUOTE] It very well is. It'd be smarter to have this be done by outsiders protesting the education system itself. No longer could a young man work the coal mines to spend his pennies at the library. Now your fate is more decided by the system, with only nepotism carrying the few forward.

[QUOTE=BLOB Fish Dude;49105838]1,000 people on Sproul? I doubt that, I walked through there and it was a lot but not that much.[/QUOTE] Were they snapping their fingers?

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;49105832]Voting isn't even close to the only democratic expression people have.[/QUOTE] But it's true that the 18-24 age group has the absolute lowest voter turnout among all age groups. I think it's reasonable to assume that low voting participation means low political participation in general. While I agree that the education system and the amount of debt need changing, Medevila has a good point.

ya if i did this today i'd probably have failed 2 of my classes

i bet that none of the protestors are engineers

[QUOTE=Banhfunbags;49106356]i bet that none of the protestors are engineers[/QUOTE] What does that have to do with anything? If your average kid is expected to deal with 4 or even upwards of 5-6 figures of debt, it means fuck all if they're an engineer or an aboriginal dance major, it clearly shows that something is rotten in the system. I want to be a teacher, right? At this rate, even with scholarships and taking the easy road of community college to get an associates degree, I'm looking at absolutely gigantic amounts of payment and debt that will accumulate at the drop of a hat, and that's before I even graduate, let alone actually get a job. And the degree I want isn't some weirdo, hyper-specialized thing, I just want to teach kids history, which is something I've wanted to do for years. There is clearly something wrong with the system, and you don't need to be a bomb-throwing socialist to see that.

[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;49106376]What does that have to do with anything? If your average kid is expected to deal with 4 or even upwards of 5-6 figures of debt, it means fuck all if they're an engineer or an aboriginal dance major, it clearly shows that something is rotten in the system. I want to be a teacher, right? At this rate, even with scholarships and taking the easy road of community college to get an associates degree, I'm looking at absolutely gigantic amounts of payment and debt that will accumulate at the drop of a hat, and that's before I even graduate, let alone actually get a job. And the degree I want isn't some weirdo, hyper-specialized thing, I just want to teach kids history, which is something I've wanted to do for years. There is clearly something wrong with the system, and you don't need to be a bomb-throwing socialist to see that.[/QUOTE] he might be talking about skipping a day of classes

You know its odd. Until recently University was free but then around the 1990's it begun to be converted to paid education and now your trapped with an absorbent amount of debt that you'll never pay off because its gone from nothing to in some cases 100,000 dollars. Would you rather have slightly higher taxes that give you access to university and the ability to learn and go back at any time or would you rather pay an absorbent amount of money and be trapped with a debt for life?

[QUOTE=Passing;49106502]You know its odd. Until recently University was free but then around the 1990's it begun to be converted to paid education and now your trapped with an absorbent amount of debt that you'll never pay off because its gone from nothing to in some cases 100,000 dollars.[/QUOTE] Would be awesome of universities cut all the useless shit. Sports, 800,000 salaries for coaches and deans, etc.

One of our editors and a photographer went out to cover the protests on our campus, since apparently this is becoming another Occupado. I'm looking forward to seeing their pictures, since I was trapped at the copy desk.

I'm guessing that is why there was a small group of individuals out in the plaza today, all day. Too bad they will only be count as absent. Scholarships and fasfa helped with all of my tuition for my degree. I'm lucky to get out debt free and with a bachelor's.

[QUOTE=Banhfunbags;49106356]i bet that none of the protestors are engineers[/QUOTE] this, i had 5 hours of lab after 2 exams today. walking out would have been a very bad idea [editline]13th November 2015[/editline] i'm lucky my school has really good financial aid, i may not have a job lined up yet, but my loans are not so large that i'm going to be paying them back for years

[QUOTE=Banhfunbags;49106356]i bet that none of the protestors are engineers[/QUOTE] As an Electrical Engineering major, I think its really annoying when other engineering students are pretentious toward non-engineers. Also, I am huge supporter of free higher education. One should not have to go into massive debt in order to receive something that should be a public service, regardless of the potential return on investment.

I understand where some of them are coming from. I couldn't afford to go to college for more than two years with a scholarship paying for most of it. My family is too poor to help me financially (I'm usually helping them) and the loans available would put me in too much debt for my choice of studies. It's kind of silly that in the age of free information you even need to pay this much. Lab classes I understand and paying someone to teach you is a given, but the amount they charge can get ridiculous for lower level classes. Can't I just buy the old edition of the book and then pay a fee to take the exam to skip low level classes?

[QUOTE=TreasoN.avi;49106784]Can't I just buy the old edition of the book and then pay a fee to take the exam to skip low level classes?[/QUOTE] Eh, what about AP's and SAT II's? A lot of people I know count on those to save college money.

Those are called CLEP courses Treason, don't know why you got rid of your question since it was a good one. Google CLEP. [editline]13th November 2015[/editline] CLEP is made by the same people who make AP and the SAT. ItIt allows you to test out for certain courses and receive college credit for them. [url]https://clep.collegeboard.org/[/url]

They were protesting at my campus during common hour so I joined for a little bit but I left because protests make me uncomfortable. I believe in free public college and overall lower tuition, but they were protesting specifically to make our (private) college free, which was a little much. I do understand why they're demanding so much though, it's to start negotiation. It's like bartering, you start with an absolutely insane number and slowly work until the thing you really want seems better in comparison

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;49106524]Would be awesome of universities cut all the useless shit. Sports, 800,000 salaries for coaches and deans, etc.[/QUOTE] And all the worthless degree programs. But then, most of these kids probably wouldn't be there.

[QUOTE=BigJoeyLemons;49106967]I do understand why they're demanding so much though, it's to start negotiation. It's like bartering, you start with an absolutely insane number and slowly work until the thing you really want seems better in comparison[/QUOTE] I highly doubt it. These protestors generally see free education as a human right, not something that you compromise on.

[QUOTE=BLOB Fish Dude;49105838]1,000 people on Sproul? I doubt that, I walked through there and it was a lot but not that much.[/QUOTE] I was tabling at the time of the protest and there were more like 300 people. 1000 is a pretty large exaggeration.

[QUOTE=splenda;49107092]I was tabling at the time of the protest and there were more like 300 people. 1000 is a pretty large exaggeration.[/QUOTE] Media often exaggerates the number of people at events they support so as to impress a larger sense of importance.