[QUOTE]ERIE, Pa. (AP)—An Erie cancer researcher has found a way to burn salt water, a novel invention that is being touted by one chemist as the "most remarkable" water science discovery in a century.
John Kanzius happened upon the discovery accidentally when he tried to desalinate seawater with a radio-frequency generator he developed to treat cancer. He discovered that as long as the salt water was exposed to the radio frequencies, it would burn.
The discovery has scientists excited by the prospect of using salt water, the most abundant resource on earth, as a fuel.Rustum Roy, a Penn State University chemist, has held demonstrations at his State College lab to confirm his own observations.
The radio frequencies act to weaken the bonds between the elements that make up salt water, releasing the hydrogen, Roy said. Once ignited, the hydrogen will burn as long as it is exposed to the frequencies, he said.
The discovery is "the most remarkable in water science in 100 years," Roy said.
"This is the most abundant element in the world. It is everywhere," Roy said. "Seeing it burn gives me the chills."
Roy will meet this week with officials from the Department of Energy and the Department of Defense to try to obtain research funding.
The scientists want to find out whether the energy output from the burning hydrogen—which reached a heat of more than 3,000 degrees Fahrenheit—would be enough to power a car or other heavy machinery.
"We will get our ideas together and check this out and see where it leads," Roy said. "The potential is huge."[/QUOTE]
Source: [url]http://www.livescience.com/1861-remarkable-discovery-scientists-burn-saltwater.html[/url]
Hasn't this whole concept been around for a while? I remember reading about this at least a year ago.
Answered my own question:
[url]http://www.metacafe.com/watch/788955/hy​drogen_combustion/[/url]
The other problem is, how much energy does it take to create the radio waves?
Actually I think I saw a thread about it on Facepunch, a yearish ago.
Date: 11 September 2007 Time: 05:11 AM ET
It's late?
I thought it was cool still... :smith:
[QUOTE=Del91;28396169]Actually I think I saw a thread about it on Facepunch, a yearish ago.[/QUOTE]
Yeah.
[QUOTE=Winchesterau;28396203]Date: 11 September 2007 Time: 05:11 AM ET[/QUOTE]
Fuck, I didn't even see that. My friend showed me the link talking about how it was a recent discovery
Damn her :argh:
[QUOTE=Winchesterau;28396203]Date: 11 September 2007 Time: 05:11 AM ET[/QUOTE]
Another awesome invention we'll never hear about again. One of these days I'm just going to obtain the research notes and recreate the experiment in my garage.
:EDIT:
And subsequently get black bagged by a major oil company.
inb4 oceans are drained for fuel
[QUOTE=Psychokitten;28396671]inb4 oceans are drained for fuel[/QUOTE]
We'd have to be careful about water-based fuels. Water's precious, it doesn't just fall from the sky you know.
[QUOTE=Upgrade123;28396724]We'd have to be careful about water-based fuels. Water's precious, it doesn't just fall from the sky you know.[/QUOTE]
Imagine if it rain water. That had been amazing.
There are also a bunch of chemicals that can burn water, and pretty much everything else.
how about we send a probe into a cloud with a vacuum-type thing and suck all the ice crystals and boil it.
[editline]3rd March 2011[/editline]
or am i being incredibly stupid
E.g. chlorine trifluoride
[quote]”It is, of course, extremely toxic, but that's the least of the problem. It is hypergolic with every known fuel, and so rapidly hypergolic that no ignition delay has ever been measured. It is also hypergolic with such things as cloth, wood, and test engineers, not to mention asbestos, sand, and water-with which it reacts explosively. It can be kept in some of the ordinary structural metals-steel, copper, aluminium, etc.-because of the formation of a thin film of insoluble metal fluoride which protects the bulk of the metal, just as the invisible coat of oxide on aluminium keeps it from burning up in the atmosphere. If, however, this coat is melted or scrubbed off, and has no chance to reform, the operator is confronted with the problem of coping with a metal-fluorine fire. For dealing with this situation, I have always recommended a good pair of running shoes.”[/quote]
ok shit i need to make a suitable place to hide while all this imagination dissipates
someone give me boxes i'm going to build a fort
[QUOTE=Del91;28396169]Actually I think I saw a thread about it on Facepunch, a yearish ago.[/QUOTE]
Try about 3 years. :v:
Basically [B]everything[/B] [I]burns[/I] in a way or another. Only question is what environment it requires and if you are going to get energy or have to invest it for it to happen.
That's nothing, I burnt chocolate once when I put it in the microwave.
Its not the water that is burning its the hydrogen gas (the same stuff that was in the hindenburg) that comes from it.
This is just another way to split the hydrogen from the oxygen.
There are alot of ways to create Hydrogen gas, from elektrolyses to gas splitting and via various catalysts (like platinum) but this presents a cool new way of doing it.
Making hydrogen via electrolyses has about a 25 to 40% energy efficiency. (75-60% of the energy used to create it is not stored in the hydrogen) this is only a viable solution if the efficiency of this system is higher.
Seeing this is from 2007 and I have never heard from it it probably is not.
I've known this since high school chemistry? Pretty sure my teacher told us this was possible, maybe not the exact same way though.
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