[QUOTE]Deputy Prime Ministry Dmitry Rogozin has threatened to deactivate all Global Positioning System, or GPS, infrastructure operating on Russian soil if the U.S. does not agree to allow Russia to place Glonass stations on U.S. soil.
At a news conference Tuesday, Rogozin lashed out at the U.S. by calling it an "unreliable partner" and said it has until May 31 to begin negotiations on the placement of Russia's Glonass stations in the U.S. If this does not happen, he warned, then "on June 1 [Russia] will suspend the operation of these [GPS] stations on its territory," he said.
There are currently 11 such sites in Russia, established by agreements regarding the placement of GPS and Glonass infrastructure on each other's territory, and Rogozin said the U.S. had violated these agreements by stalling.
If the demanded negotiations fail, he said, GPS stations will be axed completely.
"I hope that these negotiations will find a way to restore proportional cooperation. If not, from Sept. 1, the operation of these stations will be stopped completely," he said.
Oleg Ostapenko, head of the Federal Space Agency, said the U.S. has been provided with all the necessary documentation required for the deployment of Glonass stations, and that "adequate measures will be taken with respect to U.S. stations on our territory."[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.themoscowtimes.com/business/article/rogozin-threatens-to-deactivate-gps-stations-in-russia/500083.html[/url]
What would having these stations shut down affect?
[QUOTE=OvB;44804088]What would having these stations shut down affect?[/QUOTE]
I'm sure it means that all non-military GPS services will stop functioning or operate with terrible accuracy.
In other words, you better hope you know how to read a map.
We'll have to use a map?
Oh [i]nooooooo![/i]
[QUOTE=pentium;44804098]I'm sure it means that all non-military GPS services will stop functioning or operate with terrible accuracy.[/QUOTE]
I'm not sure how having ground based stations in Russia would effect the accuracy of GPS in the US though. It sounds like the ground stations just receive the data from the satellites, which I would assume would be the station in the closest line of sight to the satellite. If that's the case I would assume this would only affect GPS use in Russia and have almost no noticeable effect on use in the US?
I don't know anything about how this works though so.
[QUOTE=ZakkShock;44804101]We'll have to use a map?
Oh [i]nooooooo![/i][/QUOTE]
I've tried reading one of those big map books for all the highways and roads in a state.
There's so much information, it can be difficult to find the one thing I want.
I could of sworn that GPS was an international standard of satellite navigation. I am aware that the eurozone at least is trying to launch their own competing standard.....I think. If Russia shuts down ground stations in their region....well I can't really explain how exactly it affects their accuracy......actually just ignore my post because I mixed facts up with Globalstar and their shutdown of ground stations in the middle east during the war.
Darn, if only we had only kept Dmitry Rogozin locked in Transnistria, we could've prevented all of this!
[QUOTE=pentium;44804152]I could of sworn that GPS was an international standard of satellite navigation. I am aware that the eurozone at least is trying to launch their own competing standard.....I think. If Russia shuts down ground stations in their region....well I can't really explain how exactly it affects their accuracy......actually just ignore my post because I mixed facts up with Globalstar and their shutdown of ground stations in the middle east during the war.[/QUOTE]
Russia uses GLONASS. I'm not sure how widespread GPS is in Russia. There are multiple positioning constellations.
The Cold War is baaaaaack.
So basically Russia says "let us put our stations on your soil and we'll agree to let you keep your stations on our soil."
It's not like they're shutting them down because they hate us.
Wasn't aware GPS required ground stations to work... don't the proper GPS devices communicate with satellites directly?
[QUOTE=OvB;44804180]Russia uses GLONASS. I'm not sure how widespread GPS is in Russia. There are multiple positioning constellations.[/QUOTE]
Most receivers these days rely on both for a better fix, I know mine splits 50/50 between GPS and GLONASS.
[QUOTE=Reshy;44804202]The Cold War is baaaaaack.[/QUOTE]
When did it end?
Basically U.S.A. made an agreement and then violated it so now they're going to lose their GPS stations in Russia.
[QUOTE=laserguided;44804389]Basically U.S.A. made an agreement and then violated it so now they're going to lose their GPS stations in Russia.[/QUOTE]
it's not like russia is being the aggressor in this
it surely can't be the terrible authoritarian country run by compulsive liars which annexes its neighbours
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;44804400]it's not like russia is being the aggressor in this
it surely can't be the terrible authoritarian country run by compulsive liars which annexes its neighbours[/QUOTE]
The dispute of GLONASS stations in the U.S. has been going on for a year. It has hardly anything to do with the Ukraine crisis. You are just uninformed.
Does this affect the life of the everyday civilian? Will GPS stop working or what?
[QUOTE=ForgottenKane;44804385]When did it end?[/QUOTE]
"Paused"
Or at least someone turned the volume down.
[QUOTE=Vilusia;44804427]Does this affect the life of the everyday civilian? Will GPS stop working or what?[/QUOTE]
No GPS will be fine. GPS was originally made for military applications and they wouldn't make something that tracks positions of military hardware dependent on the Russians. There will just be a few less ground stations.
This has nothing to do with Ukraine. It's an old issue.
[QUOTE=OvB;44804180]Russia uses GLONASS. I'm not sure how widespread GPS is in Russia. There are multiple positioning constellations.[/QUOTE]
GLONASS is a huge stupid gimmick and is almost never used by civillians. The military probably uses it, but pretty much everyone else uses GPS
[QUOTE=Rent-a-BoxHouse;44804469]GLONASS is a huge stupid gimmick and is almost never used by civillians. The military probably uses it, but pretty much everyone else uses GPS[/QUOTE]
"GPS" devices are often tracking all available satellites regardless of weather or not they're GLONASS or GPS nowadays. You just don't call it "GLONASS" you call it a GPS system. Pretty much every single smartphone uses both satellites, the only gimmick in here is your logic.
[QUOTE=Vilusia;44804427]Does this affect the life of the everyday civilian? Will GPS stop working or what?[/QUOTE]
Nah GPS technically doesnt even need the ground station to work, having the ground station just makes it more accurate. Its the difference bettween having 3m accuracy and 30m accuracy, basically.
A lot of more recent smartphones used GLONASS and GPS.
I assume the ground stations are used as points of reference to keep the GPS calibrated. But I'm not sure.
I found this:
[quote] Monitor stations track the GPS satellites as they pass overhead and channel their observations back to the master control station. Monitor stations collect atmospheric data, range/carrier measurements, and navigation signals. The sites utilize sophisticated GPS receivers and are operated by the MCS.
There are 16 monitoring stations located throughout the world, including six from the Air Force and 10 from the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency (NGA). [/quote]
[url]http://www.gps.gov/systems/gps/control/[/url]
"We're going to stick it to you guys by weakening our own infrastructure! YEA SUCK IT USA!" - Putin
[QUOTE=Im Crimson;44804373]Wasn't aware GPS required ground stations to work... don't the proper GPS devices communicate with satellites directly?[/QUOTE]
A GPS receiver is just that, a receiver. It doesn't communicate with the GPS satellites at all. The ground stations upload all the information required (ephemerides) to allow the satellite to give the receiver the information needed to find where they are.
The satellites rebroadcast the information every 2 hours (they get it every 24 hours, for up to 60 days at a time) so to answer the other question in this thread, I guess they could talk with each other.
Also I think this is dumb as fuck, everyone should cooperate and let GPS / GLONASS / Galileo work as best as possible. Of course this isn't ever going to happen as the reason for all the various things is to be able to carry on with it if someone tries to stop you (ie the US turning off GPS to stop a Russian ICBM).
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[QUOTE=Rent-a-BoxHouse;44804469]GLONASS is a huge stupid gimmick and is almost never used by civillians. The military probably uses it, but pretty much everyone else uses GPS[/QUOTE]
Does the Russian government still have an embargo against smartphones that only use GPS? I remember a couple of years back that was the latest idea to get people to use it, ban people importing smartphones that don't have GLONASS.
[editline]14th May 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=laserguided;44804478]"GPS" devices are often tracking all available satellites regardless of weather or not they're GLONASS or GPS nowadays. You just don't call it "GLONASS" you call it a GPS system. Pretty much every single smartphone uses both satellites, the only gimmick in here is your logic.[/QUOTE]
You are kinda wrong, there are a lot of dual (and I assume tri) capable receivers out there but they have to be built to use that. There are differences between GPS and GLONASS that have to be taken into account (like the frequency differences..).
Everyone should just use the term GNSS though as in the future I assume all receivers will just pick up the lot and be super accurate.
GLONASS answers a question nobody really cared about: what would happen if you made your own GPS, but scammed most of the money into your own bank account, then used the rest to make a really shoddy copy of GPS with outdated tech from the USSR?
Am I the only one who sees no issue with this.
America has its GPS station in Russia but refuses to let Russia have GPS stations there?
I guess when nationalism gets involved, fair competition goes out of the window.
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