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The point is that the real solution is to drive your current car as little and as long as possible before getting an electric (preferably used), and then do the same with that. Don't bandwagon.
That stop motion was amazing.
so adam doesnt know that superchargers have solar panels that charge the chargers right, thus is less dependant or even cuts off the energy grid.
i mean the tesla site makes that a big deal
theres also the whole nuclear/solar/wind powered cities that dont even use coal generators
So when Tesla completes:
1) its lithium battery recycling plant
2) refitting tesla factories for completely renewable power
3) probably refitting its charging station with them newfangled solar roof tiles
then what?
Not to mention the lifespan of an electric car is crazy huge and the pollution associated with battery manufacturing is generally localized, rather than airborne. Also the centralization of power sourcing means more flexibility in where it is sourced from. It is hard to change hundreds of millions of cars, but much easier to change the power plants that supply them.
This one seems to have oversimplified the equation pretty significantly.
[QUOTE=Wii60;51593746]so adam doesnt know that superchargers have solar panels that charge the chargers right, thus is less dependant or even cuts off the energy grid.
i mean the tesla site makes that a big deal
theres also the whole nuclear/solar/wind powered cities that dont even use coal generators[/QUOTE]
See this is what bugs me about ARE vids.
Yes the numbers they throw out are accurate, but at the same time they often omit counter-evidence or newer developments, or just spin the numbers to make things seem way worse.
oh, another "adam ruins" where he looks at a small portion of something, misunderstands it, then tries to discredit the whole thing based on misconceptions
Guys, he's just telling you to stop buying new cars ffs. The point of the video is that if you really want to help the environment, you should drive your current car as little & long as possible, and only then buy an electric car (preferably used).
[QUOTE=Talvy;51593825]Guys, he's just telling you to stop buying new cars ffs. Drive your current one as long & little as possible, [I]then[/I] buy an electric (used) when your current car breaks down.[/QUOTE]
If I had the money to buy a new car every year why wouldn't I
First time I felt like an Adam Ruins really didn't get me at all. [I]"If we all ditched our trusty old cars in favor of brand new electrics..."[/I] Really? Everybody getting a new car all at once would be bad? Who would have thought. And immediately before that, [I]"if a third of all drivers switched to electric cars, the carbon savings could be tiny"[/I] meanwhile a "pollution meter" is shown switching from "DISASTROUSLY MASSIVE" to "SLIGHTLY LESS DISASTROUSLY MASSIVE". That... sounds good to me?
[QUOTE=Sherow_Xx;51593860]First time I felt like an Adam Ruins really didn't get me at all. [I]"If we all ditched our trusty old cars in favor of brand new electrics..."[/I] Really? Everybody getting a new car all at once would be bad? Who would have thought. And immediately before that, [I]"if a third of all drivers switched to electric cars, the carbon savings could be tiny"[/I] meanwhile a "pollution meter" is shown switching from "DISASTROUSLY MASSIVE" to "SLIGHTLY LESS DISASTROUSLY MASSIVE". That... sounds good to me?[/QUOTE]
Also is it just me or the characters Adam spoke with were just well meaning but disinformed, instead of being retarded.
[QUOTE=Talvy;51593825]Guys, he's just telling you to stop buying new cars ffs. The point of the video is that if you really want to help the environment, you should drive your current car as long & little as possible, and only then buy an electric car (preferably used).[/QUOTE]
I don't think so. He's really saying that electric cars aren't good for the environment. You're just clever enough to see the surrogate truth he sneaked in there to make his argument more legitimate. Most people will see this as an argument against electric cars. You have to pull it apart yourself to get to the actually useful point, which is [I]"the best way to save the environment is to buy less shit"[/I].
I'm so sick of Adam ruins everything.
[QUOTE=Trebgarta;51593963]If you ditch your car today, and buy a brand new car, you are contributing to the manufacturing of a new car, which currently also means contributing to Lithium mining and gas-emitting manufacturing process.[/QUOTE]
But is that actually a problem though? Are people really [I]ditching[/I] their perfectly fine cars just to get their hands on a brand new Tesla? And is there a significant difference between manufacturing a brand new Tesla and manufacturing a brand new any other type of car? The only thing that seems specific to electrics are the batteries, and it does sound like there's some [URL=https://www.theguardian.com/vital-signs/2015/jun/10/tesla-batteries-environment-lithium-elon-musk-powerwall]interesting issues[/URL] surrounding that, but I still think he's being disingenuous by masquerading the real issue; [I]"consumers who just want to get that hot new thing even though they don't really need it, hurt the environment regardless of how ostensibly environment-friendly that hot new thing is"[/I], behind the entire concept of electric cars. It sounds like all the arguments, except specifically the part about the battery, applies perfectly well to anyone that wants to get a brand new car, regardless of what kind they want.
I just think it looks too much like it's attacking the whole concept of electric cars when it's really specifically targeting thoughtless consumers.
Meanwhile, I'm saving for any kind of nice used car that doesn't costs 10k and isn't shit...
public transport seems like the best methods
[QUOTE=Gauzemann;51594232]public transport seems like the best methods[/QUOTE]
Yeah if you live somewhere with even half decent public transportation (so not most of the US) or don't need a car for your job.
[QUOTE=Levelog;51594250]Yeah if you live somewhere with even half decent public transportation (so not most of the US) or don't need a car for your job.[/QUOTE]
It's a shame, because if you do live somewhere with good public transit, it's a pretty handy way to get around.
[QUOTE=Pythagoras64;51594564]It's a shame, because if you do live somewhere with good public transit, it's a pretty handy way to get around.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, Denver is alright but holy shit when I was in Oslo it was so nice.
alternatively walk to work for 4 hours back and forth each day
environment will be pretty safe from all danger
I live in a city with 380,000 residents that has no form of public transportation
[QUOTE=Vodkavia;51594633]If the routes work out for you and it's super reliable where you live, from my local experience public transport is slow unreliable and expensive for what it is.[/QUOTE]
Yeah it's not for everyone. In my city at least it's way cheaper than paying for gas and parking downtown.
I think the point he was trying to make was that no matter what any of us do individually, our own personal impact is miniscule compared to the pollution our global economic engine produces.
And he did have a point with the lithium. Tesla does have a battery recycling plant, but a lot of their lithium is still sourced from China, where it comes from massively devastating open-air pit mines, just like coal. Tesla is working toward a carbon neutral system, but it's not there yet. Buying a Tesla in ten years, when they can sell you the roof and their gigafactories are carbon-free, is a totally different proposition from buying a Tesla today.
One fact he did get wrong is that power plants, even coal-fired steam plants, are vastly more efficient per KWH than internal combustion engines. Even if the energy your Tesla runs on comes from a coal plant, you're still polluting less in that respect than if you ran an ICE. But that's offset by the energy required to produce every component in the car, and then to put it together, and all that basically means it's very difficult to be truly carbon neutral, and literally impossible to make any kind of dent in climate change by yourself.
[QUOTE=Gauzemann;51594232]public transport seems like the best methods[/QUOTE]
Here, that means I would have to be prepared to do everything an hour before.
[QUOTE=Sherow_Xx;51593860]First time I felt like an Adam Ruins really didn't get me at all. [I]"If we all ditched our trusty old cars in favor of brand new electrics..."[/I] Really? Everybody getting a new car all at once would be bad? Who would have thought. And immediately before that, [I]"if a third of all drivers switched to electric cars, the carbon savings could be tiny"[/I] meanwhile a "pollution meter" is shown switching from "DISASTROUSLY MASSIVE" to "SLIGHTLY LESS DISASTROUSLY MASSIVE". That... sounds good to me?[/QUOTE]
The Listerine one was pretty cringeworthy as well, where he tried to argue that Listerine "created bad breath" because they were good at marketing.
Well we are coming close to powering entire nations on green energy, Germany had for for the first time ever powered its entire country (for a day) on solar and wind energy.
I mean if you look deep enough then sure the cars are bad but [I]compared[/I] to the ICE, the EV cars are miles better
Guess the fossil fuel industries shoved some money up Adam's ass. When will we get Adam ruins adam ruins everything? We need that. "Hey I am a paid corporate shill and not actually doing anything but spinning everything in whatever way my highest bidder wants me to spin it!"
Edit: All the sources are from pro-corruption bullshit borderline tabloids too. Haha.
"Adam Ruins" has clearly ran out of things to ruin and has instead resorted to making themselves look like assholes for views.
lol who cares about being green i want a model 3 because they are nice
I don't think people are going to stop buying Tesla's because a comedian googled some outdated information, made a video and put it on youtube.
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